As the co-organizers for the North American FUDCon F10, the illustrious
Max Spevack and I are trying to get a handle on our true hotel needs for
the event. To that end, I’ve made a couple changes to the FUDCon
planning page so we can gather information on who needs lodging for the
PLEASE visit that page and add your information to the table of
attendees. We’re asking who’s attending the Summit as a customer so we
can weigh the logistics of using “shoulder dates” at the Red Hat
Summit-affiliated hotels to house our FUDCon attendees. There are a
number of factors to consider, including but not limited to cost and
convenience to the FUDCon location.
We hope to have all hotel details and room blocks shortly. You can bank
on more news the moment that happens. If you need to list your
attendance as "tentative" or if you have special needs (or can offer
lodging), please feel free to list that information as well.
= = = = =
 For people who don’t know, “shoulder dates” are dates surrounding a
booked event, for which the hotel guarantees rooms at the event rate.
Because of the business being brought in by the Summit, the hotel will
offer the much lower Summit rates for up to three nights around the
conference for people who extend their stays.
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from 18 to 20 April, in Opera (near Milan, Italy) ti will be a
manifestation: LiberaMENTE which want focus topics on open and shared
participation, knowledge, contents and software.
Me, Francesco Crippa and other LOLUG (http://www.lolug.net) decided to
participate with few talks. We will to focus one of this talks on fedora
project introduction (Francesco Crippa will be the speaker ;-)), because
fedora need more spread in italy and also because there will be a huge
Ubuntu participation. :þ
Anyone is invited to come there and to give feedback :-)
Our talk it will be 19 April about at 17:30 (GMT +1).
I just added it at fedora Events
Unfortunatly there is no more time (we receive invitation later) and ATM
there isn't an official event web site.
Today is Sweetmorn, the 13rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3174
We were needing a flyer for an event next weekend. I took the one
that the Fedora Malaysian Ambassadors did for Fedora Core 6 and
updated it a bit for Fedora 8. I removed references to Core 6, added
some of the new features in Fedora 8, modified a few of the links in
the Getting Fedora section and added a how to contribute section.
However, I am not very artistic and probably not the greatest at
designing marketing materials. I have posted the modified version
Could some of the more artistically inclined, marketing oriented
people take a look at it and make modifications as you see fit? We
need the flyer by next weekend, so we are in a bit of a time crunch at
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JoergSimon (press(a)fedoraemea.org) said:
> === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software ===
> * Ownership: Robert Scheck
> * Progress: -
> * Meeting Minutes:
> * Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or
> one-time fees.
> * FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have any
> explicit requirements to administration / accounting.
> * For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more members
> you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations.
> * Professional software has the advantage of being able to have
> professional invoices and accounting as well.
> * (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into linking
> into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the
> available information from upstream.
> * Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial /
> proprietary anyway.
> * Action Item:
> * Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank
> * Requirements:
> * Professional Membership Management [mandatory]
> * Accounting [mandatory]
> * Invoices / Bills [mandatory]
> * Donation Receipts [mandatory]
> * English version [optional]
This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them on the
wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of the various
open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have you investigated?
Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 09:55:34 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> JoergSimon wrote:
> > Hi Rahul,
> > just in private and in peace!
> > Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange?
> I don't see what is wrong with a public discussion.
OK as you wish, marketing list is the wrong place - and a lot of Ambassadors
did not read the marketing list
Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> Should there be some
> of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other
> Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some
Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 09:21:29 schrieb JoergSimon(altered):
> Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange? Why not with the
> Ambassadors? They have to deal with that.
> We in europe and Contributors all over the world worked hard to have the
> Fedora Brand unique, i know that some
> people in the project are trying to get more contributions from companies -
> like "contribute inhouse builds to EPEL you have it for RHEL with a lot of
> benefits". For Fedora this is good - i bed if there are companies wich
> build software for RHEL then they know the Fedora Project!
> A Double Brand for RedHat maybe it is good for a short term marketing
> boost. But RedHat have to pay for this double Brand - not much direct with
> money, like "oh you are sponsored by RedHat then you must pay for your
> booth" .... Me for my self, i work for the Fedoraproject with all what i
> can do and i love the work of RedHat and the RedHat People and i hold some
> RedHat Certificates - but i am not a wannabe RedHat Contributor - if the
> Project will go in the OpenSuse direction i am sure the Fedora Project will
> get maybe more users - but lose Contributors.
And yes, RedHat does major work and give much money - but Fedora would not
exist in the way as it is, because of the work and the commitment of all the
free contributors and i know and i feel, i dont want it marked as a RedHat
SubProject. This is wrong!
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<fugolini> just few minutes
<jmbuser_> fugolini: OK
* spevack waves
<fugolini> ok, we can start
<fugolini> roll call
<spevack> Max Spevack
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<fugolini> This is a special meeting
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<stickster> PaulFrields audits
<fugolini> According to "FAmSCo "special" meeting reminder - Monday
24th at 20.00 UTC" mail
<fugolini> today's meeting agenda is:
<fugolini> 1. Define Fedora Event Budget criterias
<fugolini> 2. Event Reporting Guidelines
<fugolini> 3. Ambassadors' pages list
<fugolini> Starting from the first one
<fugolini> jeffrey today can't be here
<spevack> I wrote an email about the first one about an hour ago
<spevack> did anyone have a chance to read it?
<fugolini> spevack: just read
<fugolini> jeffrey today can't be here, he sent a post in the list
(hoping you read it), the key point he expressed was:
<fugolini> that it's necessary to define a standardize
<fugolini> amount that we could give for each event
<fugolini> and to figure out some key criteria
<fugolini> that we need to know of an event
<fugolini> (that's the first part of his mail, read it to understand better=
<fugolini> for the first issue he proposed to set a base per event
<fugolini> e.g. 100 attendes = 300$
<spevack> my thoughts were that
<spevack> it is a function of (1) size and (2) region
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<spevack> and (3) how much sharing of materials can be done between
ambassadors in the same region
<spevack> for example, if we can make a bunch of DVDs for North
America, and send them to a variety of events
<spevack> i wrote this up longer in my email
<spevack> as a proposal
<spevack> what did people think of my idea of beginning to discuss it
on the main ambassadors list?
<fugolini> i think we have to discuss before in the list
<fugolini> to have an approximative idea
<spevack> i want to give all of FAMSCo an opportunity to read my mail
and respond, and we will have our discussion.
<spevack> especially Jeffrey
<fugolini> we can risk to start a long time discussion without an head
<fugolini> we could use the past events to determine the presumtive amount
<spevack> fugolini: you're right. We need to have the first idea of
some general parameters
<spevack> for example
<spevack> jmbuser: what do you think?
<spevack> we have $12k to divide each quarter.
<spevack> we want to represent regions fairly
<spevack> based on how much activity is in each region
<spevack> and the size of the shows
<spevack> and the comparative "importance" of the shows
<spevack> this shouldn't be too hard to do in a reasonably fair way
<fugolini> spevack: i see in your blog a map of the regional activity,
could be available for the determination of the amount of resources?
<spevack> fugolini: perhaps. But also, we just need to ask the
Ambassadors who own each show to give us some idea of the size.
<spevack> I just don't want to make this more complicated than it
needs to be. If there are 10 shows, then we can start by saying
"well, the average show gets $1,200" And then we look at each show
and see if it is "bigger" or "smaller" than average.
<jmbuser> spevack: sorry - I agree with the approach so far
<spevack> anyway, i think we can discuss this on the list in that
thread. maybe we should move on? does anyone else have comments?
<fugolini> (i was tring to resume .)
* fugolini is lagged
<GeroldKa> we (as Fedora Emea e.V.) are also creating or try to create
<GeroldKa> a form which should be used for each event in EMEA
<GeroldKa> BEFORE (goal is one year before) the event starts
<GeroldKa> and should also be a budget plan
<GeroldKa> because we think it's important for us to see, how we spend
our money also for Fedora Project as Project AND
<GeroldKa> also for Red Hat
<spevack> GeroldKa: that's excellent. Part of what I hope is that
FAMSCo can simply maybe divide money up among regions, and then allow
the 2 or 3 Ambassadors who own events in each region to talk amongst
themselves a bit on how to further subdivide it.
<GeroldKa> hope you find this usefull and you're willing to have a
look for our "form"
<spevack> We have more discussion to do... I think maybe we will try a
few strategies this year and see what works best
<spevack> fugolini: i think that as long as we are clear to the
Ambassadors and that FAMSCo keeps an open mind, we will be successful
in the end.
<spevack> the best governance is the one that does the least necessary.
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<fugolini> Define Fedora Event Budget criterias : we will finish the
discussion on the list, then we will open it to Ambs list
<fugolini> next issue: 2. Event Reporting Guidelines
<fugolini> fomr jeffrey post:
<fugolini> I posted an announcement to the Ambasssadors list and added a page to
<fugolini> the wiki to help cover this for Ambassadors. We may still need to
<fugolini> address the "hard" numbers. I.E. what numbers do we really want an
<fugolini> ambassador to send us after an event?
<fugolini> Like the previsous discussion
<fugolini> i think we have to create a base scheme
<fugolini> as you say a lot of time we need open reports
<spevack> who owns this item? Jeffrey?
<fugolini> it's part of the reporting guidelines yep
<spevack> I feel like I am one of the owners of the budget item, by
the way. I consider myself accountable for making sure that gets
<fugolini> i think it could be usefull
<fugolini> just to have some based data
<fugolini> this item is connected with our first issue
<fugolini> if we know how many attendees at the booth etc...
<fugolini> we could able to work over reosurce destinations
<spevack> Off the top of my head:
<spevack> here is the minimum stuff I would want to see
<spevack> 1) how many Fedora representatives were there?
<spevack> 2) how many (if any) Red Hat employees were there?
<spevack> 3) about how many people total attended the event?
<spevack> 4) what were the most popular questions at the booth?
<spevack> there was an email that had many, many good suggestions in it
<fugolini> i think this discussion, like the other, needs to be
discussed in the list
<fugolini> the IRC meeting is usefull because we can figure out the core issues
<fugolini> and then we can manage better the work
<fugolini> someone else want to say something?
<jmbuser> I agree that this meeting is great for organizing topics to
better present to the mailing list - that way we can get the best
response from the list
<spevack> it seems like most of our work right now is all list-related
<jmbuser> then the decision is well thought-out and transparent
<spevack> what othe rthings do we need to talk about on IRC today?
<fugolini> i'm quite tedious during the meeting (sometime in the list too)
<fugolini> spevack: Ambassadors pages Clean Up
<fugolini> i've try to make a list
<fugolini> like you suggested
<fugolini> i review some of the pages
<fugolini> i'm working over it
<fugolini> many pages are ok
<fugolini> but there are a lot of page out-of-date
<fugolini> i think it would be necessary to contact the creators of those ones
<spevack> fugolini: this is also an important task
<spevack> because soon we will move to a new wiki instance
<spevack> and if we can identify pages that are old and delete them now
<spevack> there is less data to migrate
<fugolini> when i wrote update
<fugolini> it means that this page is out-of-date
<fugolini> and could be deleted if nobody will not care of it
<fugolini> i faced some difficulties understand the local ambassadors pages
<fugolini> so i didn't take care of them
<fugolini> i'm waiting the next EMEA meeting and i just post in the
M-L a mail to thomas cannoit
<jmbuser> I cleaned up and rearranged
<jmbuser> so that the meetings are in reverse chronological order
<fugolini> i saw it
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<fugolini> moreover i saw a lot of redoundant pages
<fugolini> that have content from other pages
<fugolini> e.g. Infrastucture (alias, AS)
<fugolini> *other pages from other sub-project
<fugolini> i think we could semplify everything
<fugolini> redirecting to the right pages
<spevack> fugolini: +1, i trust your judgement on what is important
<fugolini> another task is Ambassadors home page
<fugolini> i think we could discuss about this after we review and
cleaned all the pages
<fugolini> so we have a clear map of what we have and what we have not
<fugolini> *we could have
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<fugolini> that's all
<fugolini> i invite everyone who see that something in the list is
incorrect or have suggestions
<fugolini> to express those ones
<spevack> I think the cleanup page is great. i will look through it
and make my comments of what i think can be deleted
<fugolini> so if someone has other issue to discuss
<fugolini> so i'm going to post my opinion on your mails
<fugolini> i think we can adjourn the meeting
<fugolini> we are going to have another one this firday
<fugolini> we have discussed enought
<spevack> thank you francesco
<spevack> let's try to have made progress on everything by friday
<spevack> so we can approve our decisions and move to new topics!
<fugolini> == Meeting adjourned ==
my name is Luca Foppiano and I come from Italy, near Milan.
I'm an active LOLUG (Lodi Linux User Group) member (www.lolug.net).
I'm happy to join into fedora project, I want to help as much as
possible to spread fedora project word.
-- Today is Setting Orange, the 7th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174
My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora
Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information
security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus
is research, development and marketing of software, products, and
equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect
critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance
the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans.
I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding
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2008/3/25, Donnell Nichols <donnell.nichols(a)nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us>:
> My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora
> Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information
> security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus
> is research, development and marketing of software, products, and
> equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect
> critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance
> the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans.
> I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding
> GPG key: B66C666F
> Server : pgp.mit.edu
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