Hi all Ambassadors and FAMSCO
The next 21st of April, one day after FISL, if God makes it possible, i
will leave my role as Fedora Argentina Manager and Fedora Ambassador
Reasons, are not around this wonderfull community, the distro or
differences with my friends around Fedora. I have two years
of Happiness bringing Fedora around my country and Brazil too, making
great Friends as Rodrigo Padula, and great persons like
David Barzilay and all the others, including a special personal
greetings to Gomix, the leader of Fedora Venezuela, and all others around.
The main reason, is a big difference of point of view with Red Hat
Argentina Managers. I will not talk about this. Would not be appropiate
to do that.
The only thing that i will say is: when you have differences around a
project, project must not be stopped in order to have differente opinions,
So Red Hat Argentina and I have the opposite opinion about the funds,
the activities and budget.So, cause i am just a person, i will let my
posistion when FISL
is concluded. I will travel anyway to POA ( if Red Hat doesnt cancell my
tickets) to make my last presentation as Ambassador.
I will leave the responsability to something real special and advocate
to Fedora, this person is Javier Gabriel from Santa Fe Province. He has
the "young fire" that
the project locally need to managed the spread of voice of fedora.
Anyway, theres three more ambassadors in activity, so when i started to
work on the project
theres no ambassadors in "real" activity, so this is for me a nice blend.
When I looked behind, i see a lot of wonderful things that this project
gave to me. The possibility to know a lot of people more intelligent,
capable and smart than me and i could
learn a lot of them. I think that the most important persons that latin
america has is Rodrigo Padula and Gomix. Thank you to all to give me
possibility to be postulated to famsco
and make possible be part of this wonderful and nice community. Thanks
to Tomas Chung from bring me CDs :), and Thanks to Francesco Ugolini,
for his support in some
"dark hour" against me of some stupid people of my country.
The only thing that i can say is : Thanks...
As we say with Rodrigo: Fedorize yourself!!!
Former Fedora Ambassador Argentina
This is my approach to get more (and hopefully better) metrics about the
Ambassadors Project with my poor python programming skills. During March
I added the new ambassadors by hand to the statistics page . That's
not the way we want to go...Francesco Crippa made a python script  to
count the members of the Fedora Ambassadors Project. His idea was to
collect the diffs of the Country List page . Unfortunately this page
is updated manually and because of that not very reliable. IMHO the
better way is to get the data from the several category pages (for
example CategoryAmbassadorsFrance). The personal wiki pages of the
ambassadors are often more up-to-date because Thomas Chung add the
category after verification.
My script is quite simple and at the moment just a working prototype.
There is a list of countries. With this list the script will get all
links from the category pages (incl. the wiki names), then do some work
with regex and print out a number. This number is the count of all
ambassadors in the selected countries. Download the script and improve
If you are a python pro feel free to tell me what I can do better in
this script. Any kind of suggestions are welcome.
Maybe I will expand this script in the future. I would like to have a
log function (writing the data to a file with time and data), selection
of the area through user input, and some other small thing like error
handling and a test if the the script got all data form the Fedora wiki.
At the moment with moinmoin it's a pain and there have to be more than
one run to get all the data, 502 Proxy Error...sooner or later
everything will be fine with mediawiki. Send your ideas for more
extensions and code snippets to me ;-)
If you want to help us to collect more and detailed data for metrics and
statistics about the Ambassadors Project step up. FAmSco will
appreciate your work because this ways we (or better Max) can ensure
that we get money for the promotion of Fedora from RH. Thanks in advance.
This mail is a reminder for today´s meeting for French ambassadors and
_every_ interested people.
2008-04-60 / 18:30 UTC
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion des ambassadeurs francophones,
qui aura lieu ce dimanche (06 avril) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC
(freenode) #fedora-meeting .
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<iWolf> fugolini: hi!
<fabian_a> hi fugolini
* spevack is here, doing a bunch of number crunching
<fugolini> sorry but with daylight time changing
<fugolini> i was confused
<fabian_a> fugolini, it is better for us, isn't it?
<spevack> isn't it like 10:00 PM for you EMEA folks?
<fabian_a> yes, it is
<kanarip> hey spevack ;-)
<fugolini> ok, we can start
<fugolini> Roll call:
<fugolini> take a look at
<spevack> hey jeroen
<spevack> MaxSpevack obv
<fugolini> Unfortunately i couldn't send the meeting reminder
<fugolini> this is our agenda:
<fugolini> 1. Fedora Event Budget
<fugolini> 2. F9 Release Party Planning
<fugolini> 3. Wiki (both delegate and cleanup) status
<fugolini> i think we have a lot of issues to discuss
<fugolini> so starting from the 1st one
<iWolf> i think we should let spevack go first, i think he has to leave
<fugolini> 1. Fedora Event Budget
<spevack> well, this is my topic
<fugolini> iWolf: yep, is what i want to do
<spevack> so i guess the first question is did you see the email I sent
to famsco-list a little bit ago
* iWolf nods
<spevack> and second is are there any comments on that email or the ones
i sent to ambassadors-list earlier in the week?
<spevack> I feel like we are doing a pretty fair job of distributing
funds around the globe
<fugolini> ok, first of all MrTom
<MrTom> i'd like to add that it seems we'll have both attendees for the
Worlwide FOSS Meeting in France during July
<MrTom> (abt 3000 visitors)
<MrTom> it is during Q2
<MrTom> I don't know if Max still has coins for this or not :)
<spevack> MrTom: unfortunately, i don't think I'll be able to make it to
that event. I will be in the US for FUDCon and staying for a little
<spevack> but that is separate from money for the event
<spevack> which we certainly have
<kanarip> when is this event exactly?
<spevack> For Q2 events, the policy is "we can fund the event if it is
on the FedoraEvents page with an owner by May 1"
<spevack> because May 1 is 1 month before the start of Q2
<spevack> MrTom: does that all make sense?
<spevack> kanarip: first week of July, mid-week
<MrTom> yes max thanks i'll add it
<MrTom> from 1st jyly to 5th
<MrTom> in Mont de Marsant (near Spain border)
<fugolini> Max, i have a question for you
<MrTom> the website : http://2008.rmll.info/
<spevack> fugolini: sure
<fugolini> about the mail you sent in the Ambs list
<spevack> my email to ambassadors-list about the *current* quarter had
<fugolini> about the Q3, if i'm not worng
<spevack> my email about planning for *next quarter* had none :)
<spevack> what's your question francesco?
<fugolini> you ask for partecipation, but what kind of partecipation do
<fugolini> The owners partecipation or a global one?
<fugolini> because i have made a personal prevision but i think it isn't
a good one
<spevack> fugolini: i don't understand what you mean, i'm sorry
<fugolini> just because i don't know what each owner has in its mind
<fugolini> The q3 mail is intended for all ambassadors or only for event
<spevack> Because every ambassador is a *potential* event owner
<fugolini> because, for my perspective, i could only forsee the budget
<fugolini> looking at some sites, past events etc...
<spevack> I think ultimately FAMSCO must decide how to make sure budget
<spevack> but I want every ambassador to have a chance to sign up to run
<spevack> i think we agree on this... maybe i am just not saying it the
<fugolini> ah, this is only for sign up purpose
<spevack> The job of all ambassadors is to sign up for as many events as
they want to be accountable for.
<spevack> the job of FAMSCO is to then figure out how to support those
<fugolini> yes, this week is really difficult for me :)
<iWolf> spevack: +1
<spevack> fugolini: no problem :)
<fugolini> you can go on ...
<spevack> well, that's about all I have to say right now. I've got my
proposal in the email for more specific questions.
<spevack> I am concerned that no one seemed to pay attention to the "May
1 deadline for Q2 events" email.
<spevack> but i can send another one that is shorter and more to the
<spevack> the Events page is already filling up pretty well
<kanarip> well it's up to event owners to pay attention and add
themselves to the page before May 1 deadline
<iWolf> a reminder though with the May 1st point and a link to the more
lengthy email is reasonable though.
<kanarip> what may be more important in that aspect is that if they have
events but we don't know about it, we may not get any metrics or
feedback from those events
<iWolf> maybe even a blog post for folks paying more attention to those.
<fugolini> yea, i think so
<spevack> well, let me be honest with you all
<spevack> I have been playing with numbers in my head all day
<spevack> and I think we are in decent shape for the rest of Q1
<spevack> (I am a little bit worried about the costs of CDs, DVDs, and USBs)
<spevack> particularly because USBs are just really expensive. Even if
we get them for $5 each, that's still the same as 4 DVDs
<spevack> and I think we'll be fine for Q2 -- it's still a month away,
people won't fill things in until the last minute
<spevack> but I think that overall we are figuring out processes that
will allow us to serve our community better this year than last year
<kanarip> USB !== swag, right?
<spevack> and we need to be really open about asking the community for
<spevack> kanarip: unfortunately, anything tangible is considered swag
<spevack> CD, USB, DVD
<spevack> if we have to pay for it, it's swag :)
<kanarip> ohw ok
<spevack> now, for example, stuff @ LinuxTag comes out of the LT budget
<spevack> same with FUDCon
<kanarip> during our board meeting we considered anything that we sell
merchandise instead of swag just to make the distinction
<spevack> the large shows have budget to support themselves with swag
<spevack> my worry is running out of swag to support the smaller shows
<iWolf> i'm not sure we'd get our money's worth from USB keys.
<spevack> which is why I like the idea of having money for "regional
smaller shows" pooled together in the hands of 2 or 3 responsible folks
(like Fedora EMEA)
<spevack> so they can coordinate swag in one order for smaller shows
<spevack> does what I'm saying make sense?
<kanarip> yes, very much
* spevack worries he's not explaining himself well
<MrTom> ok for me
<spevack> iWolf: i worry about the USBs too. It would be really cool,
but without *selling* them back, it seems too costly to just give away
<fugolini> spevack: i think it could be a great idea
<spevack> I think that we need to advertise at every event that if
people show up with a USB key, we'll turn it into Fedora for them.
<iWolf> spevack: that's my thoughts. people will take a USB key, wipe
fedora off of it and use it for whatever, just to get the free USB key.
<fugolini> iWolf: if what i'm thinking too
<spevack> ok FAMSCo, so should I just continue to operate the way I have
been with the budget stuff?
<kanarip> spevack, +1
<fugolini> spevack: yes,
<iWolf> spevack: i'm fine with how it has been handled so far.
<iWolf> so, +1
<kanarip> but i'm not FAMSCo ;-)
<spevack> do you guys feel like you have enough consultation and input
in the matter? I don't want you to feel like I'm just making the
<spevack> kanarip: maybe not, but I respect your opinion ;)
<kanarip> thanks ;-)
<fugolini> spevack: i think the guidelines are perfect
<iWolf> spevack: i like to see the things hit the famsco list, i think
most of us have been fine with how it gets distributed, but the
"transparency" of the list helps us figure out how it flows.
<iWolf> if that makes sense.
<fugolini> we could, as you know, work on the list
<fugolini> on simple issue like USB etc...
<spevack> iWolf: yeah, i'll keep posting lots of stuff to the list.
these things only make sense when you can actually look at numbers
<spevack> fugolini: i feel like, for example, if we hand a certain
region, or a certain event $x for their show, and they want to spend it
all on USBs, that's their choice. And depending on how well that choice
turns out, it will impact what happens next time they ask for money :)
<spevack> it's a learning process for everyone, is my view.
<spevack> we have to try new things from time to time, but we also need
to try to get good value for our money
<spevack> ok, that's about all I have on budget stuff right now.
<fugolini> i'm just thinking (sorry but i'm mind lagged today) to make a
deep discussion in list
<fugolini> because, for my point of view, is really difficult to work on
<fugolini> but as i said a lot of time i think you have the capacities
to make this work
<fugolini> and it's a luck to have you here
<spevack> we'll continue all the discussions on the list.
<spevack> thanks francesco
<spevack> I feel like the CFO of Fedora ;)
<fugolini> chief financial officer?
<spevack> When I was the CEO of Fedora, I had no money. Now Paul's the
CEO, but I have all the money! :D
<kanarip> so that's why you're relocating
<kanarip> now i get it!
<fugolini> what i want to see from ambassadors are feedbacks
<spevack> we had some good feedback, like the people who were asking
about an event in Africa.
<fugolini> just to know what they are thinking about it
<spevack> which I am happy to support, if it has someone to organize it.
<fugolini> but many times some countries seems invisible in the list
<fugolini> personally i want to see a great global partecipation
<fugolini> and for budget issues i think they are important
<MrTom> we have people from tunisia within the French org
<fugolini> Can we move one?
<fugolini> 2. F9 Release Party Planning
* spevack will have to go soon, sorry.
<iWolf> I posted the irc notes from the marketing meeting to the list
<iWolf> i would like to finalize a release party organization page
<iWolf> with the ideas, suggestions for locations to hold them, and then
really push with mailing list posts, blog posts etc, to get people
<iWolf> so hopefully by early next week start the campaign to get
ambassadors throwing some release parties.
<iWolf> any thoughts on that? timeline or otherwise?
<iWolf> oh, and remind people to put the parties on the events
calendary, as fugolini said, if there are too many we can shuffle them
to their own page.
<fugolini> Is the plan complete?
<fugolini> i try to explain
<iWolf> we have ideas posted to your wiki page.
<fugolini> With all the ideas is possible to have a complete event set up
<iWolf> yeah, i think we have enough ideas to help give an ambassador a
solid start on what it takes to throw a party.
<iWolf> has anyone seen Ubuntu's planning page?
<fugolini> we can announce the release event trought fedora announce
<fugolini> [22:01] <spevack> hey jeroen
<fugolini> [22:01] <fugolini>
<fugolini> bad pasting
<fugolini> i saw it some time ago
<fugolini> you gave me the link
<iWolf> ah, cool!
<fugolini> as you said before i think sometimes ambs is not so read
<fugolini> >Publicise It
<fugolini> that's the point
<fugolini> like you said
<fugolini> i want to know from all famsco members and ambassadors
<fugolini> could you meet other ambassadors from other cities etc?
<iWolf> is that a question for me?
<fugolini> for famsco and ambassadors
<fugolini> you too :)
<fugolini> i want to create a global network of social relations
<fugolini> like in europe
<fugolini> to better coordinate ourselves
<fugolini> and make important issue like release events better promoted
<fugolini> have you questions?
<MrTom> not for me
<fugolini> sorry today is a queite strange meeting
<fugolini> 3. Wiki (both delegate and cleanup) status
<fabian_a> sooner or later we move on to mediawiki.
<fabian_a> shall we still go on with the clean-up or did it when we switch?
<iWolf> I would move on with the clean-up.
<spevack> relatively soon -- probably not long after the F9 release --
and that is why it is good to get the cleanup done before, so that we
don't waste time migrating pages that will just be thrown away later
<iWolf> spevack: +1
<fugolini> for the clean up porcess we need to review famsco pages
<fugolini> and we have to start working on contents updates
<fugolini> i have some paper schemes
<MrTom> i removed many many french related meeting pages and we are now
discussing on the Fr ml were could list have the remaining events
<MrTom> and there is a query from our group it seems, a page where to
set in stones the past events, a king of memories, if people are looking
for a contact who was attending at those events for exampls
<MrTom> i don't know yet if this exists or not
<fugolini> we have a past event archive, if i'm not wrong
<MrTom> oh that simple... thanks
* fugolini will never use past function ...
* fugolini *paste
<fugolini> Sorry if this week i could be available to finish the work
but i have some, not calculated, problems
<fugolini> but we have only few pages missing
<fugolini> i promised last week to finish the work before the past
sunday, but it didn't happen, sorry
<iWolf> no worries - we all have $dayjobs and studies
<fugolini> fabian_a: i don't understand the infrastucture delegate task?
<fugolini> could you explain us ( i read something in the mktg list)
<fugolini> *to us
<fabian_a> so far, it's about being the first point of contact
<fabian_a> i guess that the rest will be defined in the near future
<fugolini> i added your task in the agenda
<fugolini> so we could have a current tasks list
<iWolf> not from me.
<fugolini> now i want to closed past issue
<fugolini> Event Reporting Guidelines Define Fedora Event Budget
criterias FAmSCo position
<fugolini> Event Reporting Guidelines | Define Fedora Event Budget
criterias | FAmSCo position
<fugolini> for the criterias i think we are ok now
<fugolini> because mac
<fugolini> *max has to
<fugolini> send us only the scheme
<fugolini> i think we can just put to the first two task the last
<fugolini> and for the last one the 3rd meeting (i think)
<fugolini> it's ok?
<fugolini> ok :)
<iWolf> sounds good to me, we might want to keep a recurring
budget/event item, just so we cover upcoming events/budget each meeting.
<iWolf> but those specific tasks you listed are done, i think.
<fugolini> Fedora Event Budget is ok?
<iWolf> yeah, that is enough to make sure we touch base on it each meeting.
* iWolf needs to leave in a couple of minutes.
<fugolini> yea, we have finished
<fugolini> i was waiting your opinion about the last issue
<fugolini> i think if anyone has to move objection we can adjourn the
<fugolini> == meeting adjourned ==
I'd like to discuss with all of you the current situation we have in
Italy regarding the Fedora Project and its unofficial communities.
# Fedora-it.org [ http://www.fedora-it.org/ ]
Maintained by ILDN (Italian Linux Distro Network), they provide both a
forum (total users registered: 457) and a mailing list  in which
there are registered, at the moment, 53 users:
- 36 non-digest users
- 17 digest users
# Fedora Italia [ http://www.fedoraitalia.org/ ]
Maintained by one guy, Glauco Zuccaccia; His site provide both news and
a forum. He was one of the guys behind the website maintained by ILDN
before the split (due to internal problems with the other guys, IIRC).
As I wrote above, both of them have also a lot of user base that could
be better helped and trained regarding the Fedora project and its
I already discussed about my thoughts with some of the italian guys that
did a great job with Fedora byNight (members of LOLUG, probably the most
active LUG in Italy at the moment regarding Fedora) and we thought about
have an official mailing list hosted by Fedora itself: fedora-it-list
We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding
Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'.
Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the
existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all
together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help
users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an
unified, STRONG, system/community ;-)
We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would
like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what
they think about our ideas.
Gianluca Varisco, RHCE
Intern - Web Engineering, Red Hat Italia
Tel.: +39 02 9737 4654 (direct)
+39 02 5681 4487
Fax : +39 02 669 3111
Cel.: +39 333 574 0934
Via Antonio Da Recanate 1
One of the topics that we talked about in the last Ambassadors meeting
was CDs and DVDs for use at the big events that are upcoming in South
April 17-19 FISL
April 26 FLISOL
May 2-4 ENSOL
May 20-21 ESLAM
The status, as I understood it, was:
(1) Artwork has been made that the South American Ambassadors all liked,
and that was quite consistent with Fedora's color and logo guidelines.
(2) There was an opportunity to have 10,000 discs made for *free*, which
is absolutely incredible.
The questions I have:
(1) Who is making sure that the media is produced?
(2) Who is making sure that the media gets to each of the 4 events
(3) Will it be possible to make Fedora 9 media once the final release
comes out (at the end of April)?
(4) Is there anything needed from either FAMSCo or from the Red Hat
Community Architecture team to help with this?
We're looking for Fedora Stories -- a person who wants to talk about how
Fedora has enabled them to do something interesting or exciting with the
innovative technology we provide. We want to use these stories as part
of the bigger Marketing Plan for Fedora.
The story doesn't have to be about you, but we do want to have a person
to contact to talk about it.* ("My neighbor Joe does pro bono work,
building web servers for public service groups based on Fedora.")
* Don't post Joe's info, just yours. We'll get back to you, promise.
The story can be about something you're making for Fedora consumption,
as long as you include what makes it important or cool. ("I'm making a
new bug tracker, because all the rest of them are too hard for regular
people to use to contribute.")
Visit: http://paul.frields.org/?p=966 -- and post a comment with your
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