<fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com>Hi please let me introduce myself, my
name is Catur Wirawan Wijiutomo, 21 years old, from Bandung (Indonesia). My
interest ini Linux began about 3 years ago when I first know what is linux.
but I'm serious to use Linux an totally migrate 1 year after that. nowadays,
I use linux for everyday living, from doing my assignment to leisure. the
first distro I use and still be my favourites is Fedora
I'm a student of Informatics Engineering at the Institut Teknologi Bandung,
Linux is getting famous in my school. everybody know Linux. but not many
people who know it use it. they prefer to use windows and too bad they use
the piracy edition. from my research to asking them why they doing that is a
mindset that windows is become standard. well that's what I disagree about
and what I want to change, even in my experience life could be wonderful
my school already established a center for open source community which
funded by government one year ago. and I am one of the member of this
organization. I like to help people to understand Linux and why Linux is
better. of course Fedora is what I recommend to them.
I've got plan to some event which will be held and involve community in my
*Install Fest : my school has an centre of Open source that is
fund by the government, install fest is one of their program. I
involved in this organization.
* Linux Information centre : make a portal in my local campus
so everyone can easily get information about Linux
* Fedora Weeks : a weeks with fedora. I would encourage people to
use fedora for a wee and get the feedback from them
* Linux Training : an event to introducing Linux technically.
and some little project that involve just myself
* fill my blog about my activities with Fedora
* answer people question's about fedora
* help people using Fedora
* giving access to people about Fedora product
* and much more..
I'm looking forward to working with you ;-)
Catur Wirawan Wijiutomo
Students of Institut Teknologi bandung
(Resent, as I was not subscribed to this list until now)
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:51:23PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> > * The voting UI. Every member can go to the list of proposals and vote
> > them up or down, Digg-style. Bill sees on Fedora Planet that a new idea
> > has been proposed for "tracking cell phone numbers". He likes the idea a
> > lot -- not just because it's a good idea, but also because Alex took the
> > time to explain it well. So he clicks on the link and votes the idea up.
> > Note: this implies that the bad proposals, like "I think Fedora should use
> > apt" with no good arguments why, will languish at the bottom of the list.
> Couldn't Brainstorm do it ?
> I know it was developped by Ubuntu, but that's not really a reason to not
> use it as it is GPLv2, the source is available here:
> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website (the name is quite
> If we have one thing less to develop from scratch, it could be worth it.
I initially assumed that Brainstorm was just another piece of the
proprietary ubuntu infrastructure stack. Seeing as how the code is
public, if someone wants to step up and deploy and maintain it, I have
no problem with that. I, however, will not touch PHP. Ever :)
I'd also be happy to continue working on my prototype if we wish to take
that route. It is not even close to the maturity of ubuntu's codebase,
but it does fit in with the other dozen of TurboGears apps that we have
in our infrastructure, and also blows brainstorm out of the water
technology-wise (100% ajax, real-time comet-based widgets, *not* php,
db-agnostic, etc). I also added support not just for submitting and
voting on Ideas, but also asking/answering/voting on Questions as well.
(Resent, as my original reply never hit the list)
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:09:01AM -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> There's a lot of energy here on the list, so I thought I'd share my
> thoughts. Pardon the long email.
> b. Task Management Tools. Luke Macken, who is also copied on this email,
> is working on an interface for Fedora community members to contribute
> their ideas to the project. The best ideas can be voted up. It's a
> good start.
> These kinds of tools may also be able to correlate a newbie's skills with
> the skills required for various projects. One can imagine the following
> * A proposal UI. Alex has a great idea -- "an interface to track cell
> phone numbers for all Fedora volunteers" -- and he goes to the "Fedora
> Proposals" UI. He enters an abstract of the project. He clicks the
> "Turbogears" box and the "Python" box under the "skills needed" part of
> the UI.
> * The voting UI. Every member can go to the list of proposals and vote
> them up or down, Digg-style. Bill sees on Fedora Planet that a new idea
> has been proposed for "tracking cell phone numbers". He likes the idea a
> lot -- not just because it's a good idea, but also because Alex took the
> time to explain it well. So he clicks on the link and votes the idea up.
> Note: this implies that the bad proposals, like "I think Fedora should
> use apt" with no good arguments why, will languish at the bottom of the
> * The project-finder UI. Clarice signs up with Fedora as a contributor.
> As part of the join form, she is asked for her skill set, and she checks
> "Python" and "Turbogears". Upon completion, she immediately sees a UI
> that says "hey, the following projects need exactly your expertise!" And
> at the top of the list is the "cell phone numbers" project, with contact
> information of potential mentors who can help her get started.
> This is not a complicated vision. It is a highly achievable vision.
> Luke Macken is already working on pieces of it, and if you have any web
> programming skills, you could probably help him on it, right now.
So, for FUDCon this year I gave a talk on the upcoming Python web
framework, TurboGears2. As an example program, I started implementing a
system similar to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
I see a lot of value in a system like this, as it drastically lowers the
barrier for contribution. Instead of "Welcome $NEWCONTRIBUTOR, here are
a dozen mailing lists and IRC channels that you should pay attention to,
an gigantic wiki, and oh -- here is Bugzilla. Good luck!", Fedora needs
to be able to delegate its own tasks to people, based on their skill
So, as I see it, we've got some work to do:
- Fedora needs to know it's contributors skill sets.
These can most likely go into the Fedora Account System, as there is
an arbitrary configuration column that we can easily throw anything
into. So then, we need some sort of interface for people to input
their skill sets. This can probably go into FAS as well. Ricky and
Toshio (who are now CC'd) would be the guys to talk to about this.
- Our tasks need to be categorized/tagged based on the skills required to
With the digg-like idea sharing brainstorming app that I started
writing, we can tag ideas with anything we like 'Python,
documentation, web, etc' -- which we could easily funnel people to.
Giving people new ideas to work on is great and all, but the problem
with this is that we have infinite amounts of work living in our
fedorahosted tracs and bugzilla. So maybe in the pkgdb we could store
a list of the technologies associated with each package?
- Fedora needs to delegate it's own tasks to people, based on skill set.
Once we know what people can do, and what skills are required to get
things done, it really shouldn't be too difficult to put a shiny web
interface in front of this that can be used to show contributors a
list of projects, ideas, bugs, mailing lists, irc channels, mentors,
> So. That's my take. Sorry for the long email. If you agree with this
> vision, please get in touch with Luke Macken to help make this vision
> into a reality. He's already got a great headstart. :)
So I started writing this tool only a couple of days ago, but it has
turned out to be pretty slick so far. It's 100% ajax (w/o the xml),
has comet-based widgets that allow people to go to a single page and
watch the ideas/questions/comments flow in *real time*.
If you're interested in this project and/or TurboGears2, you can
checkout my slides from FUDCon (there are a couple of screenshots of the
app at the end):
Yes, the talk is about an advanced bleeding-edge technology. If you're
interested in diving in and learning TurboGears, I recommend starting
with my TurboGears1 talk from a couple of FUDCon's ago first:
http://tg.lewk.org and then working your way up from there.
So I'll go ahead and create a fedorahosted setup for this project, so
interested parties can help out. Once the code is in good shape, we can
create a publictest instance and deploy it.
Thanks for such a warm welcome.
hope, we have a great time together.
86E6 098E F129 92D3 879B 267D 0DD1 FE4A CEDE 9642
"Life is the greatest teacher"
There's a lot of energy here on the list, so I thought I'd share my
thoughts. Pardon the long email.
POINT #1: ALL THE ENTHUSIASM IN THE WORLD FAILS IF IT CAN NOT BE
This was the first thing I really, really learned in my tenure as Red Hat
Community Guy. Pretty much everything I've done since has been to harness
energy by providing focus.
POINT #2: WE STILL DO NOT HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE SET OF FEDORA WORK ITEMS
SUITABLE FOR NEWBIES -- BUT WE WILL FIX THAT.
This is an absolutely key problem to solve. The following scenario is one
that we must avoid at all costs:
Newbie: I just found out that I can work on a cool project for
Fedora! I'm going to go to the Fedora site to learn
(An hour of searching a poorly-maintained wiki follows)
Newbie: This is really hard. I think I'll go play Freeciv
Note: MORE WIKI PAGES DO NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. We've tried. There are
abandoned "suggest your projects here" pages all over the Fedora wiki. We
need a strong mechanism for collecting project information, and making it
easy for potential contributors to find *exactly* those projects that suit
Fortunately, I think that we are now tackling this challenge from a couple
of different directions:
a. Seneca College. Chris Tyler of Seneca College, who is copied on this
email, is giving us a very tangible reason to solve this problem. Chris
will be teaching about open source participation to his students in the
upcoming year, and one of the first things that Chris needs from the
Fedora community is precisely this kind of list of work items. Which
means that Chris will be relentless in helping us figure this problem out.
:) If you want to learn more about the Seneca project, please email him
to learn more.
b. Task Management Tools. Luke Macken, who is also copied on this email,
is working on an interface for Fedora community members to contribute
their ideas to the project. The best ideas can be voted up. It's a
These kinds of tools may also be able to correlate a newbie's skills with
the skills required for various projects. One can imagine the following
* A proposal UI. Alex has a great idea -- "an interface to track cell
phone numbers for all Fedora volunteers" -- and he goes to the "Fedora
Proposals" UI. He enters an abstract of the project. He clicks the
"Turbogears" box and the "Python" box under the "skills needed" part of
* The voting UI. Every member can go to the list of proposals and vote
them up or down, Digg-style. Bill sees on Fedora Planet that a new idea
has been proposed for "tracking cell phone numbers". He likes the idea a
lot -- not just because it's a good idea, but also because Alex took the
time to explain it well. So he clicks on the link and votes the idea up.
Note: this implies that the bad proposals, like "I think Fedora should use
apt" with no good arguments why, will languish at the bottom of the list.
* The project-finder UI. Clarice signs up with Fedora as a contributor.
As part of the join form, she is asked for her skill set, and she checks
"Python" and "Turbogears". Upon completion, she immediately sees a UI
that says "hey, the following projects need exactly your expertise!" And
at the top of the list is the "cell phone numbers" project, with contact
information of potential mentors who can help her get started.
This is not a complicated vision. It is a highly achievable vision. Luke
Macken is already working on pieces of it, and if you have any web
programming skills, you could probably help him on it, right now.
POINT #3: ONCE WE HAVE STRONG TASK MANAGEMENT TOOLS, WE CAN FUNNEL ALL
KINDS OF NEW ENERGY INTO OUR PROCESS.
Once the infrastructure of participation exists, the critical job changes,
from *enabling* participation to *driving* participation.
First, you SIMPLIFY. It should be *dead simple* for *any* newbie --
college student, college professor, bored professional, retiree -- to find
useful work to do that helps his fellow man.
Then, you AMPLIFY. When you trust your ability to manage community work,
you shout from the rooftops, "HEY, WE NEED YOUR HELP!" If the projects
that you drive people to are interesting, useful, and achievable, you will
find that people will crawl out of the bushes to work on them. If college
professors want to build their own curriculum around such a program, so
much the better.
So. That's my take. Sorry for the long email. If you agree with this
vision, please get in touch with Luke Macken to help make this vision into
a reality. He's already got a great headstart. :)
My name is Anton, and feel free to pronounce it however you feel, this kind
of international enough name - Anthony/Tony/Tonda/WhatNot ... :)
Formerly I'm from Vladivostok/Russian Federation, but at this moment living
in Brno/Czech Republic while working at Red Hat.
My first Linux was Caldera Linux, that was created by the former Caldera
Systems, *doh*, SCO Group now...
So that I'm living with Linux from the end of 1995.
I used Linux everywhere I can at my previous jobs, you can find on LinkedIn.
The most significant was the whole IT Infrastructure switch from M$ to Linux at
the one of the biggest Rail-Road Logistic company, which was planned and
implemented from the very beginning by me.
At the moment I'm Kernel Team Lead in Brno, working at Red Hat, as a part of
non-Lead duties I'm eliminating bugs in Linux Kernel. Busy enough by daily
I'm going to contribute into Fedoraproject my free/spare time. Will try to
share my expertise in Linux with everybody who will need it, just feel free to
ask me. And of course, I'm sharing all the statements of the Fedora Ambassadors! :)
At least, I will be available at IRC: aarapov @ #fedora-kernel and #fedora-mktg.
See you soon...
I have just joined the Fedora Ambassador Group. I'm Senior Year
Under-graduate student from India with major IT. I have been using fedora
from the time I started using Linux, be it university labs or PC.
I really love Fedora and have been involved in promoting it as a user. Now,
I'll be officially supporting it thanks to the community. I plan to
introduce Fedora to my peers and juniors in their day-to-day activities or
computing necessities. Also, I will aim to encourage as many enthusiasts as
possible to get involved in the community and development process. I hope
that my collaboration with Fedora community will be beneficial to all.
Thanks for accepting me to be a part of your group.
86E6 098E F129 92D3 879B 267D 0DD1 FE4A CEDE 9642
"Life is the greatest teacher"
My name is Mathieu Bridon, known online as bochecha.
I discovered Linux at school 4 years ago and was really annoyed by the
fact that I had to use it when it seemed totally broken.
Two and a half years ago, out of curiosity, I decided to try it again. I
spent one week with Ubuntu, breaking it every time I was trying to do
something with it, reinstalling it twice a day. :)
Then someone made me discover Fedora and had the patience to explain me
the basics so that I could at least use it. I then discover the french
Fedora community, in which I instantly felt at home and quickly made
What kept me in Fedora all this time and will probably keep me ad vitam
aeternam is its strong ethics (only open source, always upstream,
After being involved in the french community by doing support on the
forum and IRC, I decided it was time for me to start contributing
directly to the Fedora project. My first RPM just landed in
updates-testing and I might join the translation team if I ever find the
time for it.
I also co-initiated with Mohamed Elmorabity the Fedora | Paris project.
What we do is gather the Fedoristas who live in Paris and have diner
every 2 weeks, and more if the night goes on.
Of course, we all already know each other on IRC or on the forums, so
those meetings are more a way to know the non-geek-side of each other,
and build friendship inside our community.
Fedora | Paris organized the Saturday night party this week end before
the Sunday Install Party, so that people who don't live in Paris and
were coming in Paris for the IP would receive a warm welcome.
As an Ambassador, I'll try to go on promoting Fedora everywhere I can,
starting with the IT company where I work which is too Debian / Ubuntu
oriented. I'd like to have some co-workers contributing to Fedora, as
they already contribute to other FOSS projects.
Looking forward to working with you, almighty Fedora Ambassadors of the
Mathieu Bridon aka bochecha
Here's my report about the event we (on behalf of the Fedora Italian
Ambassadors team) organized last Sunday in Garlasco, Italy. It was
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