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Pretty calm meeting last night, summary:
Complete log included:
02:01:30 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting
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02:02:03 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Roll Call
02:02:12 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien
02:02:13 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott(a)mcbrien.net>
02:02:24 <Ac-town> .fas Ac-town
02:02:25 <zodbot> Ac-town: actown 'Derrick Dymock' <actown(a)gmail.com>
02:02:36 <djf_jeff> .fas jfsaucier
02:02:37 <zodbot> djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier'
02:02:47 <ke4qqq> .fas ke4qqq
02:02:48 <zodbot> ke4qqq: ke4qqq 'David Nalley' <david(a)gnsa.us>
02:02:50 <Arsenick> .fas Arsenick
02:02:52 <zodbot> Arsenick: arsenick 'René Jr Purcell' <rene.purcell(a)gmail.com>
02:02:56 <threethirty> .fas threethirty
02:02:57 <zodbot> threethirty: threethirty 'Justin O'Brien'
02:03:14 <etank> .fas etank
02:03:15 <zodbot> etank: kenop 'Chetan Kumar' <chetanku(a)gmail.com> -
spyrkob 'Bartosz Spyrko-Śmietanko' <bspyrkos(a)redhat.com> -
thomasthetank 'thomas strickland' <strickland.thomas(a)gmail.com> -
etank 'Eric Lake' <ericlake(a)gmail.com> - swetank 'SWETANK KUMAR SAHA'
<swetank(a)aol.in> - ketankumar 'ketankumar patil'
02:04:20 <StabbyMc> Anyone else for roll call?
02:04:32 <lcafiero> .fas lcafiero
02:04:32 <zodbot> lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <larrycafiero(a)cruzio.com>
02:04:40 <lcafiero> present and accounted for, sir.
02:04:49 <StabbyMc> and early no less!
02:05:01 <lcafiero> traffic laws, pffft.
02:05:19 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Announcements
02:05:26 <StabbyMc> Anyone have any announcements to share?
02:06:28 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Events
02:06:42 <StabbyMc> djf_jeff: how'd your radio bit go?
02:07:12 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: I think it go pretty well, that was a
02:07:34 <StabbyMc> Is there a podcast or recording somewhere?
02:07:49 * StabbyMc would love to listen.
02:08:06 <vwbusguy> .fas vwbusguy
02:08:10 <zodbot> vwbusguy: vwbusguy 'Scott Williams' <vwfoxguru(a)gmail.com>
02:08:12 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: yes, but only in french
02:08:28 <StabbyMc> boo. ;-)
02:08:43 <PhrkOnLsh> .fasi rrix
02:08:46 <StabbyMc> Is it posted to the Events page wiki?
02:08:50 <PhrkOnLsh> .fas rrix
02:08:51 <zodbot> PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' <ry(a)n.rix.si>
02:08:55 <djf_jeff> if anyone is interested : http://lavoixdulibre.info/
02:08:58 <ke4qqq> djf_jeff: can you post a link to it for those who do
02:09:32 <djf_jeff> exactly at this page :
02:09:33 <StabbyMc> awesome djf_jeff :-)
02:09:37 * vwbusguy wonders if Google translate can do voice
02:10:03 <StabbyMc> anyone else got events stuff to report, or need help on?
02:10:12 <StabbyMc> The only big one I know coming up is Scale.
02:10:28 <ke4qqq> Events FAD is tentatively happening last week of Jan
02:10:43 <ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010
02:11:02 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm going to camp kde in two weeks. hopefully
i'll do some ambassador-ing :)
02:11:40 <VileGent> sorry for being late
02:11:44 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh: is it on the Events page?
02:11:54 <PhrkOnLsh> nope, it's not. I will add it
02:12:24 <lcafiero> Announcement: Felton LUG on Saturday. F12 is the
topic. yours truly is the speaker.
02:12:36 <lcafiero> no resources other than what I have are needed.
02:12:40 * lcafiero bows
02:13:16 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: how long have you been holding onto that one?
02:13:26 <vwbusguy> speaking of resources, where are we with media?
02:13:40 <vwbusguy> and by media, I mean f12
02:13:41 <lcafiero> A long time. I also have peninsula lug later this
month -- bigger deal in the Silicon Valley.
02:13:48 <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: no change last I heard
02:13:52 <ke4qqq> spevack: ping
02:14:08 <lcafiero> I thought spevack said he couldn't make it tonight.
02:14:14 <LinuxCode> ke4qqq, max sent an email earlier saying he wouldnt be here
02:14:17 <StabbyMc> Was it in spevack's whole world update he sent out
today? I neglected to read it.
02:14:35 <LinuxCode> StabbyMc, well, he put some important info in
there for you guys
02:14:37 <ke4qqq> ahhh - missed that email
02:14:44 * LinuxCode isnt even a NA ambassador
02:14:47 * lcafiero saw it
02:14:58 <ke4qqq> StabbyMc: I don't recall seeing an update on NA media
02:14:59 <StabbyMc> LinuxCode: no doubt, I'm a slacker.
02:15:13 <lcafiero> there wasn't
02:15:44 <ke4qqq> by 'last I heard' I mean right before new years
02:15:48 <StabbyMc> Last I heard, RH hadn't paid $media-house; since
they just came back from shutdown, I'm not surprised that there would
be no change.
02:16:13 <vwbusguy> and we have no eta
02:16:15 <vwbusguy> ?
02:16:34 <StabbyMc> I suppose when Big Daddy RH opens the purse strings.
02:16:54 * vwbusguy sends his wife over
02:16:54 <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: none last I heard - StabbyMc has the right timeline
02:17:09 <vwbusguy> wait, that came out wrong
02:17:11 <StabbyMc> I've been talking with inode0 about things we
could do to keep this from happening again, but I need to discuss with
02:17:19 <lcafiero> heh @ vwbusguy
02:17:57 <StabbyMc> Unfortunately RH Finance is a riddle wrapped in an
enigma, encapsulated in a giant ball of fscked.
02:18:17 <vwbusguy> As far as SCaLE stuff, I have a list based on wiki
and names given in chan, and I'll email everyone whose going with
information as I get it
02:18:17 * etank writes that one down for later use
02:18:25 <cwtucker> +1
02:18:32 <vwbusguy> We are waiting for Max to approve budget
02:18:41 <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: huh?
02:18:46 <vwbusguy> and registration codes should be available for
volunteers "within a few weeks"
02:18:51 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Budget Review
02:18:55 <StabbyMc> Since we're already there ;-)
02:18:57 * lcafiero will talk budget in a minute
02:19:14 * vwbusguy notes he has to leave in 2 minutes
02:19:25 <StabbyMc> lcafiero/vwbusguy have at it.
02:19:31 <lcafiero> or whenever you all are ready.
02:19:34 <lcafiero> OK.
02:20:24 <lcafiero> Using the information I had on hand, I put up a
budget on the SCALE 8x wiki
02:20:28 <lcafiero> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCaLE_8x_Event
02:20:58 <lcafiero> a provisional budget of $2700
02:21:07 <lcafiero> provisional because there are a couple of wildcards.
02:21:21 <ke4qqq> ?
02:21:47 * lcafiero yields to the Senator from Liberty. ke4qqq
02:21:49 <ke4qqq> can you tell us what you mean by SCaLE sponsorship -
you mean sponsoring the conference itself?
02:22:08 * vwbusguy apologizes for leaving early, I'll try to meet up
in chan after class.
02:22:22 <lcafiero> Unless we have $19,000, no. What I'm talking about
is sponsoring at some level as we do in other events.
02:22:33 <ke4qqq> also - does the FAD need funding
02:22:53 <lcafiero> As far as the room goes, no. We have gotten the
room on Friday.
02:23:03 <ke4qqq> food or other needs?
02:23:30 <lcafiero> If I could finish the first of a couple of
02:23:37 <lcafiero> It might answer these questions.
02:23:48 <ke4qqq> ahhh, I apologize, please continue
02:23:57 <lcafiero> No apology necessary.
02:24:05 <lcafiero> I just don't type fast enough :-)
02:24:47 <lcafiero> The $1000 is arbitrary -- we can sponsor at a
lower level and use the funds for other things that vwbusguy and I
have forgotten to budget
02:24:52 <lcafiero> (mostly I forgot, but anyway)
02:25:27 <lcafiero> not to mention helping out with travel for those presenting
02:26:04 <lcafiero> Also, the second is that this is not final and
needs tweaking and input from those attending and not would be
02:27:13 <lcafiero> So that's about it for the moment -- and as
vwbusguy said I went over some procedural stuff with Max in an e-mail
today to which I am awaiting an answer.
02:27:49 <lcafiero> Specifically, if -- and if so, how -- to perhaps
utilize commarch funds.
02:27:56 <ke4qqq> who are the 4 rooms for - I only see three attendees listed
02:28:00 <lcafiero> Questions.
02:28:07 <lcafiero> Acutally, the list is not up to date.
02:28:46 <lcafiero> It's quaid, VileGent (didn't forget you this
time), herlo, jds2001, me, stickster (possibly),
02:28:57 <lcafiero> and I think there may be someone I'm forgetting.
02:29:06 <lcafiero> you're going ke4qqq?
02:29:24 <ke4qqq> tentatively yes, but being funded externally
02:29:28 <lcafiero> Ah, got it.
02:30:59 <lcafiero> But again, this is not final, and the Q4 budget
closes at the end of Feb. From what I can see of the NA budget,
there's only been $3500 of $8000 spent, if memory serves.
02:32:03 <ke4qqq> casebadges and clings aren't in that budget list -
and it's ~3800 iirc
02:32:09 <StabbyMc> Deduct another $800 from that...
02:32:12 <StabbyMc> for Clings
02:32:14 <inode0> plus t-shirts are supposed to be
02:32:15 <ke4qqq> but yeah - still should be able to accommodate that
02:32:22 <lcafiero> of those listed above, quaid, herlo, jds2001 and I
are presenting, and stickster could keynote.
02:32:31 <lcafiero> could, he emphasizes.
02:32:56 <lcafiero> Hmmm. OK. Still it looks like we come under the wire.
02:33:04 * lcafiero thought that case badges were commarch expense.
02:33:13 <threethirty> ?
02:33:24 * threethirty is new, what is commarch
02:33:24 <lcafiero> threethirty, go.
02:33:28 <StabbyMc> Q4 budget has to last until the end of February...
02:33:29 <inode0> will be taken from each region's budget
02:33:33 <lcafiero> Oh, sorry. Community Architecture
02:33:36 <threethirty> ty
02:33:46 <ke4qqq> threethirty: it's a group within RHT that gives us money
02:33:47 <VileGent> lcafiero, and marketing is having a FAD in March
in NC so they are going after $3k for that
02:33:56 <lcafiero> Right. It's january now and SCaLE is Feb. 19-22
02:34:00 <inode0> FADs aren't our budget
02:34:10 <ke4qqq> VileGent: that's a new quarter and generally fads
are external to our budget
02:34:16 <VileGent> but it does come out of CA budget
02:35:08 <inode0> everything does in the end, I think when we say CA
budget we mean "not our budget" :)
02:35:09 <ke4qqq> yes but we get little or no say so on what does or
doesn't come out of CA budget - the important thing is have expenses
planned well in advance
02:37:00 <lcafiero> Right, and again the sponsor amount is the
linchpin here because it can be less.
02:37:22 <lcafiero> However, we should support those events that give
us a venue to promote Fedora.
02:38:38 <lcafiero> Anyhow, I just wanted to put that out there for
vetting by those who are more experienced in budget matters than I am
02:39:27 <StabbyMc> As long as we can still fill the swag coffers
some, and Max approves it ...
02:39:50 <lcafiero> +1
02:40:42 <lcafiero> Unless there are any other question, I can yield
the floor to the chair.
02:40:47 <lcafiero> question=questions
02:41:40 <StabbyMc> In other news, Clings should be ordered and paid
this week; heads up inode0 ;-)
02:42:38 <etank> +1 on clings
02:42:49 <lcafiero> what etank said woo hoo!
02:42:57 <StabbyMc> Is dnhodgson here?
02:44:27 <StabbyMc> Any other budget stuff?
02:45:01 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Open Floor
02:45:02 <PhrkOnLsh> well about that leftover funds... I could use a
02:45:04 <jds2001> my flight is looking to be $270ish right now, any
help appreciated :)
02:45:10 <StabbyMc> Ok, open floor :-)
02:45:29 <jds2001> but to get that, i have to stay sunday night and
come back monday
02:45:38 <jds2001> sunday flights out are crazy expensive
02:46:03 <jds2001> like $299 vs. $129 - more than a hotel room
02:47:46 <lcafiero> OK, jds2001, we'll talk.
02:48:16 * lcafiero could use some guidance on travel expenses other
02:50:44 * ke4qqq sees no difference in lodging and travel
02:51:45 <lcafiero> OK, that's a good point, ke4qqq
02:52:10 <threethirty> ke4qqq just doesnt want to sleep in his car
02:52:18 <ke4qqq> that said - I'd personally only feel comfortable
paying for speakers or key fad members. - flying people all over the
world to attend an event in and of itself isn't scalable.
02:52:24 <lcafiero> Oh, he won't threethirty
02:52:44 <ke4qqq> threethirty: they let me hang out in the lobby sofas
last year :)
02:52:46 <lcafiero> Well, that's the kind of thing I'd like clarification on
02:52:51 <threethirty> ke4qqq: lol
02:52:52 <VileGent> jds2001, and i thought $300 for mine is cheap
02:53:20 <jds2001> JFK-LAX is always crazy cheap
02:53:31 <jds2001> was for me last year to go to SCaLE too.
02:53:53 <lcafiero> jds2001 is probably going to be presenting, too (hint hint)
02:54:01 <ke4qqq> lcafiero: ask away - though that opinion is what I'd
personally submit budgets for- not a policy statement or anything
02:54:51 <lcafiero> Right, but I've only done two -- 2009 LFNW and
2009 OSCON -- and I think lodging was paid for but travel was a greyer
02:55:12 <lcafiero> travel meaning getting from point a to point b and back.
02:55:25 <jds2001> it's a "how critical is this person to the event"
type measurement, IMHO
02:55:31 <lcafiero> OK
02:55:33 <ke4qqq> I don't see the costs really being different, from
02:55:37 <ke4qqq> +1 jds2001
02:56:27 <lcafiero> For the sake of the open part of the meeting, can
we take this discussion back to #fedora-ambassadors afterward?
02:56:37 <ke4qqq> yep
02:57:08 <StabbyMc> Any other open floor business?
02:57:47 <StabbyMc> Closing the meeting in
02:57:49 <StabbyMc> 5
02:57:50 <lcafiero> I missed ordering a shirt today, but will do so
tomorrow. the white button shirt
02:57:57 * lcafiero sits down again
02:57:57 <StabbyMc> Yea!
02:57:59 <StabbyMc> 4
02:58:06 <StabbyMc> 3
02:58:14 <StabbyMc> 2
02:58:17 <StabbyMc> 1
02:58:22 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting
I have a conflict with tonight's NA Ambassadors meeting, so here's a few
updates from me before that.
(1) The next Fedora Ambassadors Training session in Fedora Classroom
will be on Thursday at 1500 UTC. See a separate emali
(2) 10,000 case badges have been ordered, which we'll be sharing with
all parts of the world. I'll bring a bunch with me to FOSDEM and then
distribute them among EMEA Ambassadors, and I'll mail some to other
parts of the world as well.
(3) Planning continues for the
This FAD is not meant to be the place where specific events are planned,
but rather it's an opportunity to make sure that all the processes
around events, budget, reimbursements, etc. are clear and up to date,
for all regions of the world. At least, that's my goal for the event.
Mel Chua is leading the organization of this event. Remote
participation will definitely be possible via IRC and gobby, and I think
that Ambassadors all over the world will be interested in the results.
(3) Fedora 12 media in EMEA -- it looks like all of the shipments were
made to folks in different areas.
Further followup that is needed, now that the vacations are over:
* Working with Sascha to figure out the plan for future media in EMEA,
and allowing him to have more involvement with the production company.
That's my responsibility to follow-up.
* Making sure that we have media in the right places for upcoming
events. FOSDEM and CLT, in particular. Joerg/Sascha/Frederic -- are we
in good shape for those events? Do we have enough media for both, and a
plan to get it to the event?
(4) One of the things that is also on my TODO list is to get a wiki page
written up that has the process for getting media produced in all
regions of the world -- since we're probably going to be looking at new
processes in both EMEA and NA, it makes sense to just write it all down
in one place.
Happy New Year everyone. We're going to have our first FedoraNA
Ambassadors meeting tonight at 9:00p Eastern in #fedora-meeting. Hope
to see you all there! Don't forget to update the agenda page with
your items you want discussed:
Ladies and gentlemen happy New Year!
Don't you remember there is an EMEA Ambassador meeting
tomorrow (Europe, the Middle East, and Africa)
on #fedora-meeting ?
Day : Wednesday, January 6th, 2009
Time : 20:00 UTC (check  to know your own time depending on your country)
Channel : #fedora-meeting
Meeting agenda (add your topic before the meeting please) 
We will be having mainly a FOSDEM specific followup to our previous
meeting given that the event owners will show up.
So update your agendas, and don't forget to join us :)
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I'm not sure about the election history of FAmSCo, maybe someone who
has been around a while can explain how it used to work, but I'm
guessing range voting has been used in the past two FAmSCo elections.
Are ambassadors happy with this method of electing the ambassador
Aside from the voting method, are there other things related to the
election or composition of FAmSCo that ambassadors think would improve
either the process or the constitution of the steering committee?
Hey Max, all,
Ambassadors were discussing in IRC about ordering some Fedora embroidered
baseball caps for event swag, and the general consensus was that the Brand
Fuel caps were really nice, and it would be cool if we could get them ordered
from their manufacturer.
Do you (Max) or anyone on either marketing or ambassadors have any details on
the manufacturer that Brand Fuel uses and how we could get in contact with
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