Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 00:12 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> You're just not getting it. The Fedora Desktop Edition is not a spin.
> It is not an alternative version of Fedora, it /is/ Fedora.
So the spins are not Fedora?
All that remains of the definition is "alternative version". There is a
default and thus there are alternative versions, but that hardly
qualifies as a definition. The terms "spin" and "live media" are used
synonymous all over the Fedora websites.
> The spins
> are the alternative to the Desktop. A Gnome spin could be an
> alternative to the Desktop configuration, with a pure gnome setup, using
> only gnome software, such as epiphany.
> Again, the Desktop is not a spin. People need to stop assuming that
> Live == Spin.
I'd like to ask the board members: How many times have you been to an
event and did booth service there?
When we distribute Fedora on an event, the FAQ are:
* "What is this media?"
* "Why is this media different from the others?"
* "What desktop is on this media?"
* "Does this media contain all desktops?"
* "Can I install KDE from this media too?"
Don't get me wrong: I'm fine with having a default media and I would
choose the desktop(TM) as default because I think it is the most
convenient DE there is.
But I think it must be allowed to name things by their name in certain
contexts in order to distinguish. Having a boot menu that presents you a
choice of "Desktop", "KDE", "Xfce", "LXDE" and "Moblin" will confuse
people. The logical consequence of these listing is that
Take the F14 media artwork  for example: The desktop media does not
even the have the word "Gnome" on it. Do you think this helps to avoid
The argument for having a default spin is that too many things confuse
people. From my experience I can tell it's not the freedom of choice
that is confusing but the fact that one media is not labeled
Anyway, we will name the desktop spin whatever you want on the multi
desktop Live DVD if it helps to get the board's approval.
we were researching the technical possibility of putting more then one
live cd on one disc.
The proof of concept succeded with these F13 compilations:
Zoltan Hoppar and the media company in Munich came up with the idea to
use dual layered DVD discs, which will allow us to store arround 8.5
GB of data.
This is where we are a looking now at the following proposed future
- All desktop spins and related archs on one disc. ( Gnome, KDE, LXDE,
XFCE, Moblin - i686, x86_64 - arround 7GB ) PoC succeded. Tested and
- All installer data and related arch on one disc. ( Full Fedora -
i686, x86_64 - arround 6.5GB ) PoC needed! Blocked due to anaconda
installer options and data paths/devices ( stage2 / repo ).
I requested a pricing quote from the media company in Munich for the
the result is ~1,000.00 EUR cost savings while producing the same
amount of media ( 5,000 pcs ).
(We could even produce 10,000 pcs while staying in the budget for EMEA.)
My questions are:
- Can we solve the blocker on anaconda for the installer compilation?
- Should we start this approach by F14?
- By looking at F15, could we strip a "choose
live-desktop/arch/install" all-in-one dual layer disc?
Thoughts on hardware compatability:
By comment of the media company in Munich: Dual layer DVDs are not
compatible to all dvd players. But to most of them.
( Every DVD player who can play a movie DVD is likely compatible. )
In my humble opinion this is not a blocker for Fedora, which is about
being first and rapid releasing near to cutting edge.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with kind regards,
Sascha Thomas Spreitzer
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Lesen Sie hier, warum;
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May be good to do some Fedora 14 Release Party planning, too. :)
I hope that you may be able to attend. :)
Sending positive Fedora 13 and Fedora 14 energy your computer now. :v)
Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)
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To kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 12
(Constantine) kernel - 220.127.116.11-115.fc12.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13
(Goddard) kernel - 18.104.22.168-131.fc13.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13
(Goddard) and Security Spin kernel - 22.214.171.124-112.fc13.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 14 (Laughlin)
kernel - 126.96.36.199-44.fc14.i686.PAE
* One (1) dual core system with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Red Hat 6
(Beta) kernel - 2.6.32-19.el6.i686
With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of RAM and four SATA
Seagate 7200.12 500 GB harddisks.
This mail is a reminder for today's meeting for the French speaking community.
2010-10-18 / 18:30 UTC
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion de la communauté francophone, qui aura lieu ce lundi (18 octobre) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting .
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.... for the last "legacy" FAD in Rheinfelden!
Hello Ambassadors around the world;
in special my friends in EMEA!
with that mail, I want to invite you the last time to a FAD in
Rheinfelden, which should be a reminder for the last six years of
contributing and my try to lead a group which spread the word for Fedora
in EMEA ...
This legacy FAD will be beside the last membeship meeting of Fedora EMEA
e.V. and takes place from
arrival: Friday, 2010-11-19 evening till
departure: sunday, 2010-11-21
and should be for all Ambassador who will lead a event in the Region
EMEA in 2011 or will need the last time my help(ing hand) in whatever.
Please register yourself by sending an E-Mail (to me) latest end of this
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I hope and wish I can say "good bye" in person to all my friends who
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Hope to see you soon the last time in Rheinfelden
Start End Name
Fri 08-Oct Fri 22-Oct Regional IRC sessions
Tue 19-Oct Tue 19-Oct FAmSCo and Regional Teams Meet to Address
Unresolved Events/Media/Swag Issues
Thu 28-Oct Tue 02-Nov Obtain Final Release ISOs from Release
Engineering for duplication
Thu 28-Oct Thu 04-Nov Regional Coordination with Marketing for Release
Tue 02-Nov Fri 03-Dec Hold Release Events and Publish Event Reports
I've attended Software Freedom Day in Menoufya University (Egyptian university), A friend told me about it and I attended, Which is held for the second year.
In brief the session was about:
-MUFIX community (The host) and it's history (They are six years old now),
-Web browsers and it's ancient war
-Jspx framework by one of it's authors
-And a wonderful session about using Both sides of the brain (logic and illogic parts) :D
Details can be found in the website
Generally It was a very nice day and the university seems to be supporting them
My final goal that day was to know the people there and get contacts and I've achieved my goal
I've also uploaded some photos for this event and their past events ;)
Ahmed M. Araby