Dear Ambassadors in the NJ/NY/DE area of the USA,
Could i get a volunteer who would be interested in talking with John
Boris of LOPSA (http://lopsa.org)? Specifically:
* Whether a Fedora Ambassador might want to represent the Fedora
Project at this event
* Regional lists or other venues where Fedora Ambassadors might be
able to help spread news about this event
Thanks for your consideration. If someone wants to follow up with
John, please let the list know you've got the ball. Thanks!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: John BORIS <jboris(a)adphila.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Personal IT Community Conference May 7-8 New Brunswick, NJ
To: Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>
That will be fine. Forward my email to them Anyway we can promote the
conference is beneficial for us.
John J. Boris, Sr.
Archdiocese of Philadelphia
222 North 17th Street
Philadelphia, Pa. 19103
"Remember! That light at the end of the tunnel
Just might be the headlight of an oncoming train!"
>>> Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> 3/17/2010 9:16 AM >>>
Our user list has a worldwide membership, oriented around users for
tech support (as opposed to system administrators and IT professionals
exclusively) and therefore this announcement might not make sense to
people on the list. Typically we don't advertise conferences on that
list. Perhaps I could put you in touch with our Fedora Ambassadors in
your area to see if any of them are interested in supporting your
conference, or passing the announcement on to interested parties. Let
me know what you think.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John BORIS <jboris(a)adphila.org>
> I just didn't want to post this to the list without approval.
> Good Day,
> I wrote to most of you about this conference earlier. I belong to
> organization The League of Professional System Administrators
> (www.lopsa.org, www.lopsanj.org) and the New jersey Chapter is
> holding this conference in May. I was hoping that you could pass the
> attached flyer on to your IT department or to any friend or contact
> have in the IT field. They extended the discount until March 22nd,
> Monday. You can also pass along my email address if they have any
> questions about the conference. Also any person who registers for
> conference (even just for Saturday) will get a complete license for a
> strings attached copy of Admin Arsenal (www.adminarsenal.com). Admin
> Arsenal is a System Administration tool for Active directory. That is
> $999 piece of software for the price of admission.
> Thanks again for your help.
> John J. Boris, Sr.
> JEN-A-SyS Administrator
> Archdiocese of Philadelphia
> 222 North 17th Street
> Philadelphia, Pa. 19103
> Tel: 215-965-1714
> Fax: 215-587-3525
> "Remember! That light at the end of the tunnel
> Just might be the headlight of an oncoming train!"
All in all, Chemnitzer Linuxtage
very successful event.
I, including some of the Ambassadors from the Benelux/Western German Region
, arrived on Friday evening to be greeted by J. Simon in
We checked into our hotel after a 7 hour drive from Southern Netherlands and
quickly headed off to a restaurant to meet other ambassadors and FOSS
community contributors. The weather was cold and snowing, but not quite as
cold as the Netherlands, due to the fact that we were in a landlocked region
of Europe. After a bite to eat, we met other contributors at a local brewery
to discuss our respective projects and what our plans were for the event
which started the next morning.
The event was held at the Technical University of
modern building which was spacious and properly equipped with a
fast internet connection and modern rooms for presentations and lectures.
There were benches and tables set up on the top floor of the exhibition room
where visitors could have a place for meeting and working on their laptops.
Next to the entrance was a full wardrobe facility for visitors and also a
childcare facility which had places for children to rest and a massive Lego
set-up with various toys to keep young children busy while their parents
attended the event.
*Purpose and Focus: *
The purpose and focus of CLT 2010 was a little different than other events I
have attended in the past. Most events were geared towards the technical
aspects of the various communities where CLT had a user focus of curious
people, newbies, and those contemplating on switching to Linux. There were a
wide diversity of projects at this event from distro' s and desktops to 3D
modeling programs, DAW' s and music labs set up for recording and mastering
music, as well as, academic projects. There was even a PC doctor where you
could drop off your laptop if it had problems and the technicians would try
and solve the problem while you were attending the event. A nice little
touch, I thought ;-)*
>From initial observations, we entered the event and were met by a member of
the event organizing team who was pleasant and professional in manner and
immediately escorted us to the main booth where we were issued our event
passes and meal passes. Thereafter, he escorted us to the location of the
Fedora booth. Initial observation showed that the booths were very well
evenly placed within the building without excessive overcrowded areas. This
provided plenty of space for exhibitors and visitors alike to walk by and
stand in front of the booths without interfering with the flow of traffic in
the aisles of the event. It was also worth noting that the cords and cables
were well organized and covered with carpet and secured with tape around all
of the walking areas of the exhibition hall.
Throughout the day we were in contact with the event organizers which were
happy to answer our questions and discuss the planning involved with the
event. After the initial impression from day 1, I could confirm that the
event and it's organizers were well informed, professional and highly
organized. There was security present at the event 24 hours a day for both
days and event personnel present 24 hours a day at the entrance who were
attentive and checked all people entering and leaving the event at all hours
of the day and night.
The catering for the event was split into two sections. There was catering
in the main hall for visitors and where a hot lunch was served both days in
a timely fashion. The second section was in a private room and for event
exhibitors and employees. I did not have a chance to try any of the visitors
catering meals, but could observe that it was a nice sized meal for the
price and generally people looked content. The catering for the exhibitors
was well thought out with a good variety of hot and cold dishes, coffee and
tea, candy, cakes and pastries, and a variety of juices and soft drinks. The
staff was very cordial and efficient at always having food and drink
available no matter how busy the lounge was at times;-)
The weekend consisted of various meetings in which I had with ambassadors
which I have not already been acquainted with and finally had the pleasure
to meet with and talk about various topics and issues within the Fedora
project. It was nice for me to discuss with others what their feelings were
about Fedora and what they viewed as needed to be improved within the
community. In addition, I spend time at the Fedora booth speaking to various
ambassadors and other community members while informing and answering
questions that visitors had about the Fedora project. It was a nice balance
of the internal and external aspects of the Fedora community and how it
interacted with other communities and the macro environment.
On Saturday evening the event organizers planned a social event for
exhibitors, volunteers and staff of the event on the top floor of the
building. Long tables and benches were arranged (german beer garden style)
and a nice buffet consisting of a nice balance of fish, meat and vegetarian
dishes, pasta and various canapés, fruit and desserts. In addition, there
was a wide variety of local beer, soda, juice, wine, coffee and tea served.
The food was excellent, fresh, and the caterers had plenty of food and drink
available for all.*
During the social event there was also entertainment provided. During dinner
there was a jazz band playing and after the dinner a magician who traveled
around to each table to give a personal show to people with a mix of comedy,
magic tricks and balloon animals for the children.
We had a very nice time at our table with members of the Fedora ambassador
team and our sister community of CentOS <http://www.centos.org/>.
In conclusion, I would be comfortable in recommending this event to anyone.
It was a very pleasant event with a relaxed atmosphere that was focused for
all Linux users and contributors, possible adopters, and those just curious,
as well as, their friends and families :-)*
The planning and operations of this event were far superior to any other
FOSS event I have attended and the organization skills were almost
impeccable. Everything was thought out to the last detail and the planning
yielded a good balance for the different types of people attending the
The ambassador team present at the event were professional and well
organized also. It was especially nice to see those involved in
cross/supporting project helping out and switching "hats" to help their
fellow community members.
All in all, I would like to thank the event organizers of CLT 2010 for their
superb event, Joerg Simon <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon> the
event owner for his excellent organization skills and the extra special
effort that he has made to make us ambassadors feel taken care of, and our
fellow contributers who made this event possible.
>From my personal and professional viewpoint, I believe the Chemnitzer
LinuxTage <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2010> should
serve as THE example of the standard that ALL Fedora events should strive to
All the best,
Title: Fedora Ambassador Netherlands
User Homepage: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gmzysk
PGP Fingerprint: 4643 E1AE 1AAD 85D4 6276
7C42 3591 A189 B8BF 04D6
We had a great meeting tonight thanks in part to Adam Williamson
talking to us about Fedora Testing Days. Check out the log for
For those of you who use gmail to search, below is the log.
01:00:27 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting
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01:00:37 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements
01:00:47 <StabbyMc> Welcome everyone.
01:00:53 <Arsenick> .fas Arsenick
01:00:55 <adamw> hi
01:00:55 <dnhodgson> .fas dnhodgson
01:00:56 <Arsenick> Hi
01:00:57 <zodbot> Arsenick: arsenick 'René Jr Purcell' <rene.purcell(a)gmail.com>
01:00:59 <StabbyMc> Anyone got announcements?
01:01:01 <zodbot> dnhodgson: dnhodgson 'Darcy Hodgson' <dnhodgson(a)gmail.com>
01:01:02 <mock> .fas mock
01:01:06 <zodbot> mock: actown 'Derrick Dymock' <actown(a)gmail.com> -
mock 'mark mcintyre' <mark(a)mockgeek.com> - mocker ''
01:01:06 <Actown> .fas Ac-town
01:01:09 <zodbot> Actown: actown 'Derrick Dymock' <actown(a)gmail.com>
01:01:09 <crossbytes> .fas crossbytes
01:01:14 <zodbot> crossbytes: crossbytes 'Kevin Higgins' <Kevin(a)crossbytes.org>
01:01:18 <djf_jeff> .fas jfsaucier
01:01:19 <zodbot> djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier'
01:01:45 <dnhodgson> I have something. Might have been brought up
before but not sure.
01:01:51 * inode0 had a quick announcement ...
01:02:00 <StabbyMc> dnhodgson: go, then inode0
01:02:12 <dnhodgson> bought a copy of linux pro magazine and fedora 12
was the feature DVD. just thought it was cool.
01:02:49 <dnhodgson> Also wondered if that was something that we setup
with them or if the magazine just does that
01:02:59 <grantbow_> .fas grantbow
01:03:03 <zodbot> grantbow_: grantbow 'Grant Bowman' <grantbow(a)gmail.com>
01:03:40 <jetrigger> .fas cwtucker
01:03:41 <zodbot> jetrigger: cwtucker 'Chris W Tucker' <cwtucker(a)ironcomm.com>
01:03:50 <StabbyMc> dnhodgson: dunno, anyone else have any ideas?
01:04:22 <inode0> marketing might know something
01:04:44 <StabbyMc> inode0: you got an announcement as well?
01:04:51 <inode0> FreeMedia requests are in for March and we need some
help processing about 20 that remain now, so please help
01:05:11 <StabbyMc> inode0: copy that.
01:05:16 <crossbytes> I will be getting on a few tonight and this weekend should
01:05:18 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - FreeMedia in North
01:05:23 <StabbyMc> inode0: now paste it!
01:05:24 <crossbytes> ba able to fill about 5-6
01:06:02 <MarkDude> .fas markdude
01:06:04 * inode0 suggests we talk with adamw now so he doesn't need
to suffer through our usual stuff :)
01:06:06 <zodbot> MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' <mark(a)gidgetkitchen.org>
01:06:08 <MarkDude> MarkDude: markdude <mark(a)gidgetkitchen.org>
01:06:17 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Test Days
01:06:25 <StabbyMc> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_13_test_days
01:06:28 <rrix> .fas rrix
01:06:29 <zodbot> rrix: rrix 'Ryan Rix' <ry(a)n.rix.si>
01:06:43 <StabbyMc> Adamw, the floor is yours.
01:07:02 <adamw> oh, yay :)
01:07:03 <inode0> well, he might not have expected that
01:07:09 <adamw> remind me what you wanted me to say exactly?
01:07:19 <adamw> i just sort of got notified to show up to provide
info on test days
01:07:36 <adamw> you just want a quick run-down on the what, why, where and how?
01:07:38 <StabbyMc> Ok, for those of us who don't know, what is test days?
01:07:42 <adamw> alright!
01:07:44 <inode0> someone suggested ambassadors get involved in test
days, can you give us a quick rundown on what that involves?
01:07:57 * grantbow_ cheers for testing
01:08:03 <adamw> oh, first off
01:08:05 <adamw> .fas adamwill
01:08:09 <zodbot> adamw: adamwilltest 'Adam Williamson (test)'
<adamwill(a)shaw.ca> - adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
01:08:27 <adamw> for those who don't know me - i'm Adam Williamson, I
work for Red Hat in the Fedora QA team, and I'm kinda sorta in charge
of the whole test day thing.
01:08:49 <adamw> test days are really just events aimed at doing
planned testing on some specific thing; it could be anything, it
doesn't even have to be software.
01:09:13 <adamw> the QA group organizes a track of Test Days for each
release, and we've also had other groups use the 'test day' format in
the past for their own events
01:09:29 <adamw> the F13 Test Day schedule is
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_13_test_days , so you can see
what's coming up (and what we've done so far)
01:09:43 <adamw> the last completed test day -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-11_webcams - is a good
example of a typical event
01:10:16 <crossbytes> ? about 'f13 livecd'
01:10:16 <adamw> the web page just explains what the event is supposed
to be testing - webcams, in this case - provides instructions on
testing, notes the IRC channel where testers can come to interact in
real time, and provides a space for reporting results.
01:10:19 <adamw> yup!
01:10:46 <adamw> crossbytes: go ahead
01:10:56 <crossbytes> the live cd is to big for cd is it going to be dvd?
01:11:21 <crossbytes> and are we going to be getting id of mono?
01:11:25 <inode0> let's come back to that later
01:11:32 <adamw> that seems separate from test day topic...yeah thanks inode0 :)
01:11:46 <adamw> okay, carrying on...
01:12:19 <adamw> as I said, test days can be organized in various
different ways. we encourage people to suggest test day topics, and
then they can either arrange the event themselves (and we in QA
provide support), or we will arrange it for them, depending on what
01:12:33 <adamw> there is an SOP explaining how to run a test day
01:13:00 <adamw> that explains how to put one together from start to
finish if you want to run one yourself. i've heard that projects that
have nothing to do with fedora have used the process to organize
testing events, which is obviously cool.
01:13:36 <adamw> we mostly use test days to do regular testing on
really important things (like graphics support), and to test the new
features of upcoming releases - but we've done other types in the past
too, it's a very open-ended system.
01:14:00 <adamw> i guess the most relevant things to ambassadors are:
we're always happy to take suggestions for test day topics, and we
absolutely love people to come out and help test
01:14:06 <adamw> so anything you can do to help drive that would be great
01:14:17 <inode0> so for those of us just starting ...
01:14:30 <adamw> we try to keep the bar for getting involved as low as
possible - wherever it's practical we set up the testing so you can do
it just from a live boot, and we provide step-by-step instructions for
testing for most events
01:14:31 <inode0> we can grab a live rawhide image the day of the testing?
01:14:46 <adamw> yes. well, it's a live Branched image now, really
01:14:54 <adamw> (since Branched - f13 at present - and Rawhide aren't
the same thing any more)
01:14:57 <inode0> bug people for anything that isn't clear on IRC
01:15:18 <adamw> yup. you just go to the web page, read the
instructions, run the tests, and add your results to the table, and
IRC is there for any questions or problems
01:15:40 <adamw> we usually aim to have at least one QA person and one
developer of the component being tested present on IRC during the
official test day period
01:15:59 * lcafiero_ sneaks into the back of the room and sits down.
01:16:00 <jetrigger> seems pretty straightforward
01:16:02 <adamw> hey larry
01:16:13 <inode0> in two days we'll find out
01:16:15 <lcafiero_> hey adamw
01:16:32 <adamw> jetrigger: yup, that's the aim. occasionally we do
run test days on advanced topics that wind up being mostly Red Hat
staff, but you can usually spot those a mile off
01:16:46 <adamw> when you don't know what the name of the test day
means and you can't understand the instructions for the simplest test
01:17:03 <jetrigger> k
01:17:19 <adamw> the one coming up this thursday is an interesting one
- if you're an enterprise person with a crazy fibre channel SAN
storage setup you could get together with davidz and do some really
01:17:30 <adamw> but there'll also be simple tests anyone with a hard
disk can do
01:18:07 <adamw> the one coming up this thursday is
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-18_Palimpsest , for
01:18:18 <VileGent> adamw, as i told jlaska today i will start help
testing this week
01:18:18 <adamw> i'm being lazy and haven't got around to adding the
test cases yet, but they'll be there tomorrow.
01:18:24 <adamw> VileGent: thanks!
01:18:44 <adamw> the 'official' QA track test days usually come every thursday
01:18:57 <adamw> if we fill up the schedule but need to add events, we
overflow onto tuesdays
01:19:08 <adamw> and I usually do a 'graphics testing week' with three
test days for each of the most common graphics drivers
01:19:40 <adamw> test days are always announced to the test-announce
and devel mailing lists, and in FWN, and on my blog (which is on
planet.fp.o) - any further news-spreading you folks can do is also
very welcome :)
01:19:44 <VileGent> adamw, will the palimpset test for in vms
01:20:17 <adamw> VileGent: sure, you could do the testing in a VM. it
can be useful to test specific LVM or RAID setups if you don't have
the appropriate physical hardware. physical hardware testing is also
useful, of course.
01:20:53 <VileGent> 2 vms are easier to use that 2 boxes
01:20:59 <adamw> so, that's the overview talk - any questions?
01:21:00 <VileGent> than
01:21:40 * inode0 has a non-test day question
01:21:44 <jetrigger> This can be done at any time during the day?
01:22:09 <adamw> jetrigger: yep. you can also do the testing earlier
or later and add your results to the table, it can still be useful
info. the 'day' is just the time when we aim to gather people on IRC,
01:22:26 <adamw> but if you can't make it on the day, we're always
happy for you to do the testing the day before or after and add your
01:22:30 <jetrigger> adamw: thanks, count me in
01:22:48 <inode0> so if I did the webcam testing now someone would notice? :)
01:23:24 <adamw> inode0: we may not notice too loudly if everything
worked, but then we wouldn't really need to; if you hit a problem we'd
notice that and you'd hopefully file a bug and it'd get followed up
01:23:37 <adamw> all you'd be missing out on is having hansg in the
same IRC room to get a quick feedback loop going :)
01:24:33 <inode0> anything else on test days before I wander down another path?
01:24:45 <crossbytes> and is there a wiki on how to file bug reports?
01:25:15 <adamw> crossbytes: yup, I believe it's actually linked on
each test day
01:25:25 <crossbytes> ok thank you..
01:25:47 <adamw> hmm, actually, it isn't in there, i'm sure i used to
include the link. i may have dropped it inadvertently from the
01:26:04 <adamw> anyway, it's
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests : that's generic
instructions on filing a bug
01:26:14 <adamw> if there's specific information for the particular
test day, we include that on the wiki page
01:27:03 <inode0> adamw: I wanted to take this opportunity to also ask
for some general information about the QA team, if interested how does
one join? Any particular sort of contributors you need help finding?
01:27:50 <adamw> great questions
01:28:06 <adamw> i have a whole talk on the general QA sphere but it's
a bit long to go through here =)
01:28:16 <adamw> we have a pretty good wiki space at
01:28:36 <adamw> i'd particularly point you to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join , which gives an overview of
the most important things the QA team does and how to get involved in
01:28:58 <adamw> anything you folks can do to encourage people to join
QA would be just awesome
01:29:18 <adamw> one thing in particular we'd love to have more people
doing is testing updates: see
01:29:40 <adamw> you can also do that for the upcoming release, now:
as I mentioned earlier, we changed the release process from f13
01:29:55 <adamw> most of the time, 'the next release' (currently f13)
and 'rawhide' are now separate things
01:30:25 <adamw> and 'the next release' (otherwise known as
'Branched') should hopefully be less crazy than Rawhide, so if you're
reasonably competent you should be able to run it without too much
01:30:26 <VileGent> yep branch rawhide when needed
01:30:55 <adamw> so right now you could install f13 Alpha and just
install updates as usual, and you'll be getting the latest f13 stuff;
Rawhide is separate, that's working towards f14, and you won't get
01:31:25 <adamw> you can then file feedback on the new f13 packages
via Bodhi, just as you already could for final release updates, as
described on the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Updates_Testing
01:31:42 <adamw> so yeah, doing 'updates testing' for already-released
Fedoras, or upcoming Fedora 13, is one thing in particular we'd love
to have more people do.
01:32:33 <adamw> the 'test' mailing list is used for QA stuff, so if
you're interested in joining in, have a read of the wiki page and also
sign up for the test list -
01:33:04 <adamw> major qa events and things we want people to help out
with get announced on there. there's a 'test-announce' list which only
gets announcements, too, if 'test' is too high traffic for you (it
gets about 50-80 mails a day, usually).
01:34:33 <inode0> thanks a bunch for helping us get our bearings a bit
with QA tonight
01:34:36 <adamw> sure
01:34:52 <StabbyMc> thanks adamw :-)
01:34:57 <adamw> oh, one other thing - QA also works with releng and
devel to handle the release process, and we're always keen for people
to catch bugs that ought to block the releases
01:35:01 <lcafiero_> thanks adamw -- see you at lfnw
01:35:28 <crossbytes> thank u adamw
01:35:33 <adamw> so if you're seeing a really bad bug in an upcoming
release, please do nominate it as a blocker. you can do that by
setting it as blocking 'F13Beta' or 'F13Blocker' (depending on whether
you think it should block the beta or final release)
01:36:19 <adamw> there are official criteria we go by to decide
whether bugs really are blockers or not -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria - but don't
worry too much about those, as we do review all nominated bugs; we'd
much rather have 'false alarms' than miss a bug that should have been
01:36:47 <adamw> if you nominate a bug that we decide isn't really a
blocker, we'll just catch it at a weekly review meeting and drop it
from the list, no harm done, and we don't send someone over to kill
you. usually ;)
01:37:28 <StabbyMc> Just don't have mispellings or bad grammar,
lcafiero will block you ;-)
01:37:39 <adamw> obviously for future releases the blockers will be
'F14Alpha', 'F14Beta', 'F14Blocker', 'F15Alpha' and so on - the names
are always the same format
01:38:03 <lcafiero_> +1 StabbyMc
01:38:05 <adamw> alright, i'm really done now =)
01:38:09 <grantbow_> thanks adamw
01:38:19 <StabbyMc> adamw +1
01:38:37 <inode0> with luck you'll see a few new people thursday
01:38:51 <adamw> thanks for inviting me!
01:39:36 <StabbyMc> Ok, one of my new goals is to have the meetings
last no more than 1 hour.
01:39:37 * inode0 needs a few minutes before the regularly scheduled
program but start without him
01:39:43 <StabbyMc> So let's roll :-)
01:39:48 <adamw> StabbyMc: sorry =)
01:39:49 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events
01:39:49 <lcafiero_> .fas lcafiero
01:39:50 <zodbot> lcafiero_: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <larrycafiero(a)cruzio.com>
01:39:54 <lcafiero_> just to make it official
01:40:09 <StabbyMc> adamw: no it was not meant as a dig on you, more
on the longwindedness of us for the remaining items :-)
01:40:19 <StabbyMc> Ok, so Events.
01:40:31 <StabbyMc> Anyone doing an event that doesn't have something they need?
01:41:20 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
01:41:26 <StabbyMc> Make sure you log 'em.
01:41:50 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review
01:42:08 <StabbyMc> I don't know that we have outstanding budget items, do we?
01:42:30 <VileGent> tshirts??
01:42:49 <StabbyMc> is bpowell here?
01:42:56 <StabbyMc> Or maybe inode0 has talked to him recently?
01:43:37 <StabbyMc> I'll ask inode0 again when he returns.
01:43:44 <StabbyMc> Any other budget?
01:43:49 * inode0 is back
01:43:55 <StabbyMc> tee shirts?
01:44:03 <VileGent> max said the event box for Canada was shipped
01:44:09 <lcafiero_> +1
01:44:45 <StabbyMc> inode0: you heard from bpowell about tees ?
01:44:52 <inode0> I haven't heard anything more about t-shirts but
Brian should have received the go ahead to order them
01:45:14 <inode0> What about stickers?
01:45:42 <StabbyMc> inovice should have been paid, now just waiting
for them to ship from the vendor.
01:45:46 <inode0> I would like to make one suggestion just for people
to think about wrt shipping/warehousing stuff
01:46:37 <inode0> We have a small number of people who have been doing
this for years now but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that
at least some of them would appreciate a break from it
01:47:05 <inode0> So if you would be willing to help out please don't be bashful
01:47:28 <inode0> One of the best things about our swag procurement is
that the load is spread out
01:47:49 <inode0> And if we could spread out the shipping of it as
well I think we'd suffer less burnout
01:47:56 <Arsenick> VileGent, yes and we recieved it
01:48:14 <inode0> Arsenick: did you receive the netbook too?
01:48:22 <Arsenick> not yet
01:48:33 <Arsenick> I don't know if it's on the way
01:49:45 * inode0 would like to talk to TLF folks but that can be post-meeting
01:50:13 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Unfinished Business
01:50:26 <StabbyMc> inode0: if it fits in here, and is less than 10
minutes, we're good.
01:50:47 <inode0> ok, related but general question
01:51:00 <inode0> how do we feel about sharing booth space with Red
Hat at events?
01:51:17 <lcafiero_> I thought there was a legal issue preventing us
from doing so.
01:51:21 <lcafiero_> This came up last year at OSCON
01:51:25 * inode0 has an opinion but would like to hear others :)
01:51:45 <StabbyMc> inode0: I would imagine that brand would have a
problem with that.
01:51:59 <StabbyMc> And I don't think it would help us to estabilsh
01:52:06 <inode0> let's assume for right now that it is entirely our choice
01:52:49 <inode0> and this isn't out of the blue, we were asked to
consider it at TLF
01:53:00 <lcafiero_> If it were our choice, I'd say stay separate, for
the reasons StabbyMc brings up
01:53:31 <lcafiero_> Again, it came up at OSCON, and Red Hat was not
fond of the idea, to put it mildly.
01:53:35 <inode0> I generally agree I think it confuses already
01:53:48 <inode0> redhat requested it this time as I understand it
01:53:57 <lcafiero_> In fact, I had to sit in a corner with a pointy
hat for even bringing it up
01:54:08 <grantbow_> wow
01:54:14 <inode0> well, that was you asking to share *their* booth
01:54:16 <lcafiero_> not really, grantbow_
01:54:23 <inode0> that is different :)
01:54:58 <inode0> ok, second part of this is what do we think about
01:55:04 <lcafiero_> It does blur the distinction between Fedora and Red Hat.
01:55:15 <inode0> for branding I'd assume not next door neighbors again
01:55:16 <lcafiero_> Red Hat and Fedora were next to each other at SCALE
01:55:46 <lcafiero_> Don't know how that happened
01:55:53 <inode0> now let me just suggest one reason to consider it
01:56:03 <lcafiero_> I don't think neighbors was as bad as sharing
01:56:25 <inode0> every time I see a picture of a redhat booth at a
community event it is a lonely redhat guy sitting at the table
01:56:27 <lcafiero_> some snickered at our placement -- or theirs --
but it's not the same as being in the same booth
01:56:41 <inode0> that may be a bit of a misperception but it is my perception
01:56:56 <lcafiero_> Not a misperception, inode0 -- I see it all the time
01:57:16 <inode0> would we be helping Red Hat by getting some of our
traffic to their booth?
01:57:40 <lcafiero_> It's not a huge issue with me, but I can see
where having a joint booth can make our work harder in establishing
that we're not Red Hat.
01:57:53 <lcafiero_> Or our people.
01:58:07 <lcafiero_> quaid staffed the RH booth at SCALE on Sunday, I think
01:58:39 <crossbytes> +1 lcafiero
01:58:58 <StabbyMc> pfriends staffed the RH booth at SELF.
01:58:59 <VileGent> and i and vwbusguy staffed the redhat booth on saturday
01:59:19 * inode0 hears little support for Fedora and Red Hat being
01:59:37 <crossbytes> I like the neighbors can send people to RH booth
for RH questions and they can do the same for us..
01:59:44 <VileGent> i have no problem with it
01:59:51 <lcafiero_> Well, again, I have no objection, just the caveat
02:00:19 <VileGent> nn
02:00:21 <inode0> I think it reinforces the "Fedora is Red Hat's
little beta distro" thing
02:00:22 <lcafiero_> And the experience that RH really tore into the
suggestion that we do it for OSCON when there was the possibility we
would be shut out
02:00:56 <StabbyMc> inode0: that's my thought as well.
02:01:40 <inode0> ok, if anyone wants to give me more feedback on that
later feel free to
02:01:47 <lcafiero_> OK
02:01:55 <StabbyMc> Ok, I'm going to call it.
02:01:58 <StabbyMc> 5
02:02:09 <StabbyMc> 4
02:02:14 * lcafiero_ hears an air raid siren -- 7 p.m. in Felton
02:02:18 <StabbyMc> 3
02:02:26 <StabbyMc> 2
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02:02:37 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting
Now that I'm back from Chemnitz I blogged a little about last weekend.
As always, the Chemnitz Linux days were very nice. Fedora had a very
strong presence at the event: If you count in all the people (even the
ones not doing official booth service or the ones serving at the Xfce
booth), we were 12 Fedora contributors.
Read the whole article at:
The F12 talking points have been released, and are ready for use (and
improvement!) Many thanks to Steven Moix, Paul Frields, and Jon Roberts
for their hard work.
Talking points (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points) are key
features of the new release that we want to point out. There are
different types of talking points for different types of people: users,
developers, sysadmins, and more. They are meant to answer the question
"so what cool stuff is in the latest release of Fedora?"
Reading the talking points should get someone who's *not* necessarily
already a member of the Fedora community excited. (This is something
that I think the talking points could still use some help with; which
ones are unclear? Which ones don't get you as excited yet?) Please take
a look at the talking points and think about how you'd like to use them
for F12 outreach - and if you can think of a better way of phrasing
something, or think something should be improved, please let us know (or
use the wiki and just make the change yourself).
Ambassadors in particular: how can we turn these talking points into
marketing materials that will help you spread the word?
I just wanted to remind people of the upcoming NA ambassador's meeting
tomorrow night. Even though we've "Spring"ed forward, the meeting
will still be at 9:00p Eastern time on Tuesday evening. John Rose
(inode0) sent out a reminder e-mail last week as well. Adam
Williamson will be talking about Fedora Testing.
If you have any other agenda items, be sure to put them on the meeting
page prior to the meeting.
See you tomorrow,