here is a short E-Mail from Robyn which I will forward here:
For the 13th Release of Fedora, "Goddard," the Fedora Marketing team
ran an open, community based process of slogan submissions, found at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_slogan_SOP. That process
included guidelines for producing great slogans, and as a result of
our call, we received a large number of slogan contributions, which
are recorded at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_slogan.
After an exciting and enjoyable Marketing Team meeting, the release
slogan for Fedora 13 "Goddard" has been chosen and approved: "Rock
We would like to thank all the contributors who have participated in
mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards
Henrik Heigl - wonderer(a)fedoraproject.org
PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0
I am planning an event to perform in Aveiro, Portugal. So far, this is
what I thought about it:
- 2 day event (to be decided friday/saturday or saturday/sunday)
- Each day will the following schedule: morning (9:30/12:30), afternoon
14:30 18:00). I'm considering night time as well, but that depends on
further decisions. For now skipping it.
For a small background this is what I have the following to point:
Regarding Aveiro itself, it is the capital of Technology in Portugal.
Some designations that are used towards aveiro are the following:
"Portuguese Venice", "Portuguese Silicon Valley", etc.
Aveiro holds PT Inovacao (former CET, Center for Telecommunication
Studies), home of some path breaking in IT development (for example
first GSM pre-paid card in the world, TMN Mimo), which has over 2000
companies gravitating around it and some of the most brilliant
professionals in Portugal.
The University of Aveiro also is one of the highest technological poles
in Portugal in the IT segment and Phisics (NASA recruits here as well).
This is the perfect background for a GNU/Linux promotion event, as it
is widely used by local Industry. According to some old data (2006),
Aveiro's economy is 80% based in the services sector.
What I pretend to do?
- Mornings >> Linux Install Fest/Party, manpower provided by GLUA
- Afternoons >> Conferences/Presentations
- Local IT Professionals (corporate)
- Local IT Professionals (free lancers)
- Local IT superior schools students
- General enthusiasts
-- Estimated visitors (200 to infinite)
Institutions that I'm planning to contact:
- IPAM (Portuguese Institute for Marketing Management), my University.
Through it I plan to deliever corporate invitations to all national
industry (over 240.000 small/medium business enterprises), can provide
conference rooms, rooms with beamers for side events, space, internet
connectivity (to be used for event to go zero cost).
- Universidade de Aveiro - Prestige, open some doors to the local
industry and we should be able to rally a lot of people from here. Some
of their LUG members are currently package maintainers and developers
- Aveiro City Hall, I want this event to be advertised in the local
cultural program. I want as well that the political power should be
sensible to this causes.
- PT Inovacao, as a GNU/Linux technology enabler at the highest of
levels with operations in the 5 continents. I want them to be present
and provide speakers to hold a conference.
- GNOME, already got official representation of GNOME by Luís Medinas
for GNOME and also a Brasero maintainer. He can also represent Caixa
Mágica, national linux distrobution in the corporate market (they
provide services for a the Army's Criminal Police for example).
- Caixa Mágica (national linux distro), I am reticent in allowing
official Caixa Mágica representation on the event for the following
-- I personally don't like ADETI neither Caixa Mágica.
-- They are a corporate company and direct competitor to Red Hat, our
-- Mandriva based?
-- Some of their founders have strong relations with the radical left
wing political party. For me, politics do not enter this event.
I do have pro's as well for letting them in:
-- Huge market penetration.
-- Official business partner of the Portuguese Governament in
What I wouldn't mind having:
- Red Hat official representation
- Fedora official representation
Concerning this two points, since I'm hitting the full industry I see
this event as a powerful way of introducing ourselfs and eventually the
possibility of establishing several things, which are to be faced as
goals as well:
- Possibility of establishing business for Red Hat with local
- Possibility of establishing a stronger Fedora Community. Notice that
if we are officially labeling this event as a Fedora Event, this will
path breaking in the Portuguese Scene.
- Establish a foundation for a official PT_PT Fedora users group.
- Bring maintainers and developers to Fedora.
- Brainstorm everyone!
As a side effect I would like this event to be as well the opportunity
to accomplish the following:
- Sensibilize the Industry for Open Source
- Approach my university and Aveir's university to FOSS
- Brainstorm the local industry about FOSS.
- Documentate everything for the Fedora Marketing Team.
- Alert that FOSS beneficts everyone, not only technology geeks and
promote interaction from non IT Personel to Fedora.
I am not running budgets on this event because of the following:
- The event itself should be free for any fee's to participants.
- The logistics and spaces required should be provided by sponsors.
There are costs though for people to come here. I can't cover those as
I am not collecting money from any source. To relief this I'll try the
- Get competitive and nice costs for bed and roof (maybe by having a
local Hotel to sponsor the event).
- I am also trying to get a Disco/Bar into the scene for closing the
event with a "party" for people.
My questions to this list:
1. If I want to advertise this as a Fedora event, what are the
guidelines I must follow?
2. Can Fedora bring official representation?
3. If we're aiming to gather new contributors, can anyone provide a
presentation about the tools we use and how fun is contributing for
Fedora? (this is something that needs to be very well think of).
4. Through Fedora can we bring official Red Hat representation for the
corporate market attending this event?
5. Distributions like Caixa Mágica (which is our competitor and Red
Hat's competitor) on the local scene, should I allow them to be
6. I'm planning to bring in local hardware manufacturers, can someone
prepare to engage them as well? This could be fun for Fedora Spin's as
pre-installed machines for instance.
7. Technology we promote that is a key element for Fedora as a
competitive stronghold in FOSS, like SE Linux, could we manage something
around the technology we highlight on our distro?
8. Anything else not covered here feel free to bring it up.
I have no dates for this yet, but I was thinking in May (which means
double efforts from my side getting this prepared). Shortly after F13
release to promote?
Event Name: I have not thought a lot about the name, but I was thinking
on something outside what we've been doing like: Aveiro Fedora Showdown
Promoting place, product, price. The event itself is "promotion". The
perfect Mix. Showdown, because I want it to have a certain impact.
- Personal Stuff
This event is not only to promote Fedora, but also to promote myself in
my institution (IPAM). In fact I see it as a liberating effort to cause
impact and take the fight into another level. With my final paper coming
within less than a year, this is also meant for me to gain some grounds
for my future paper which will be completely different for what we are
proposed. From my side, there is no room for mistakes or failures.
This is a primary and basic draft for a document I will issue later on
my project webpage and on a Wiki page.
I will point later on when I have something to trully advertise.
This is a call for help.
We have discussed and found that the current Ambassadors FAQ page is
is not a very useful source of information for ambassadors.
We have decided to replace/update this page  with a more
informative and organised page like this one.
Most of the thing are there in the wiki, and in the second page.
The work will involve adding
more FAQ and organising them properly.
It will be really nice if a few people step up.
Thanks for your help.
This mail is a reminder for today´s meeting for French ambassadors and
_every_ interested people.
2010-03-07 / 18:30 UTC
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion des ambassadeurs francophones,
qui aura lieu ce dimanche (07 mars) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur
IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting .
L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page :
N'hésitez pas à le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent
Merci de répondre à ce message en cas d'indisponibilité.
I will read up on the list .. sorry I missed the meeting .. my cpu
died on me had to replace it and for some reason
it also freaked out my feed to the planet so I had to discontinue for
a little while so I can
set it up again. I hope to work on budgeting with Larry for LFNW and
work some more
on the wiki also.
Hi fellow Ambassadors.
At yesterday's EMEA meeting, we talked about the FAMSCo budget:
<spevack> If folks look at the FAMSCo budget page with proposals for
the current quarter (March - May)
<spevack> It seems like the two most pressing needs are planning for
F13 media, and making sure the French team gets the resources that it
Pierros (I hope I'm not wrong, Pierros is Liknus on IRC, right?)
raised some valid concerns about the French team asking for a lot of
<liknus> ok spevack, but i think that fr is taking too much (even for
a big country) (sorry bochecha )
<bochecha> liknus, keep one thing in mind, that's for the whole year,
not the quarter
<spevack> liknus: well, they've stated a *yearly* need in that number,
not a quarterly one
<spevack> Perhaps we given them a chunk of that this quarter, and more
next quarter. I think that yearly estimate is very fair, in my
<bochecha> liknus, you might think it's still to much, but I just
wanted to make sure this was clear :)
<liknus> even for that, but thats just me whining...
So I was asked if we could detail how we are planning to spend the
money in 2010.
Well, Thomas Canniot (our ever-awesome treasurer) and I (the guy who
won't be long to make stupid jokes about French clichés) worked hard
on it tonight, and we are proud to present to you the Fedora-Fr annual
Each page details (or will) our planned budget at the beginning of the
fiscal year, and our effective budget and activity report at the end
Hopefully, this will both help clear the concerns people might have,
as well as help Max better estimate how much money we really deserve
(which could very well be much less than what we are asking).
If you still have any doubt, do not hesitate to ask here or on IRC,
we'll make it a duty to answer all questions. After all, where there's
money involved, tensions might arise, and we all want to stay close to
the Fedora Project's second Foundation (that would be « Friends » for
those of you weren't paying attention :)
PS : For those of you who would like to know more about what it is we
do (apart from drinking wine and walking around with a baguette and a
beret), we also used the occasion to create a new « French_team »
category that will hold all of our activities in the future:
It's currently pretty empty, but we'll make sure to retroactively add
all the pages that we disseminated through the wiki for all these
The meeting page containing the links and the logs to the recent NA
Ambassador meeting can be found at:
For those of you who prefer to use gmail to sort through the logs,
please find the transcript below:
02:00:45 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting
02:00:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 3 02:00:45 2010 UTC. The
chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at
02:00:46 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
02:00:57 <makfinsky> .fas makfinsky
02:00:58 <zodbot> makfinsky: makfinsky '' <ivan.makfinsky(a)endosys.com>
02:01:02 <dnhodgson> .fas dnhodgson
02:01:03 <zodbot> dnhodgson: dnhodgson 'Darcy Hodgson' <dnhodgson(a)gmail.com>
02:01:04 <threethirty> .fas threethirty
02:01:07 <zodbot> threethirty: threethirty 'Justin O'Brien'
02:01:08 <jetrigger> .fas cwtucker
02:01:09 <herlo> .fas herlo
02:01:10 <zodbot> jetrigger: cwtucker 'Chris W Tucker' <cwtucker(a)ironcomm.com>
02:01:11 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien
02:01:12 <spevack> .fas mspevack
02:01:14 <laubersm> .fas laubersm
02:01:15 <zodbot> herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' <herlo1(a)gmail.com>
02:01:20 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott(a)mcbrien.net>
02:01:25 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <mspevack(a)redhat.com>
02:01:30 <zodbot> laubersm: laubersm 'Susan Lauber' <susan(a)ties.org>
02:01:48 <Arsenick> .fas Arsenick
02:01:49 <zodbot> Arsenick: arsenick 'René Jr Purcell' <rene.purcell(a)gmail.com>
02:02:10 <makfinsky> Hmm, decent turnout so far.
02:02:24 <StabbyMc> #topic North America Meeting - Announcements
02:02:34 <StabbyMc> Anyone got announcements?
02:03:24 <StabbyMc> #topic North American Meeting - Events
02:03:34 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
02:03:54 <StabbyMc> There are a few upcoming events soon. Anyone need
things they don't already have?
02:04:15 <spevack> StabbyMc: that can tie into the budget conversation
at some point in this meeting.
02:04:28 <StabbyMc> spevack: that's next.
02:04:50 <StabbyMc> #topic North American Meeting - Budget Review
02:04:52 * herlo has a list of SWAG for events that we need to obtain
02:04:59 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
02:05:15 <StabbyMc> #topic North American Meeting - Budget
Review.FAmSCo Budget for FY11 Q1
02:05:22 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
02:05:30 <StabbyMc> spevack: want to take the show?
02:05:39 <spevack> yeah.
02:06:00 <spevack> We just kicked off a new quarter (and a new fiscal year).
02:06:31 <spevack> Our budget planning has been cyclical, usually
based on whether I have "enough time" or "not enough time" to worry
about budget compared to other things.
02:06:38 <spevack> I want to make sure we get really off to a good start
02:06:51 <spevack> this year, worldwide. So I want to try to spend
every penny of our budget, but do it in a SMART way.
02:07:09 <spevack> we've got an invoice to pay for vinyl stickers.
02:07:26 <spevack> And aside from that our our usual shipping, we
don't have much queued up in NA for this quarter.
02:07:40 <spevack> but I figure that I want to spend about $7k, not
counting any FADs
02:07:50 <StabbyMc> spevack: we've got tees somewhere in the works.
02:07:58 * spevack adds those things to the page
02:07:59 * herlo has quite a list of items we need
02:08:21 <spevack> herlo: where is that list?
02:08:22 <herlo> Buttons, pens, tattoos and of course, the new plan for stickers
02:08:28 <herlo> spevack: ^^ right ther e:)
02:08:36 <spevack> heh
02:08:48 <Southern_Gentlem> Texas Linusfest sponsorship and media
02:08:52 <herlo> I can put $$ amounts on them but I think others did
the legwork the first time
02:08:57 <inode0> I have tons of tattoos, many thousands
02:09:00 <spevack> so the vinly stickers are getting paid by me via Paypal.
02:09:05 <StabbyMc> herlo: I can get the #s on pens, no problem.
02:09:08 <spevack> who owns other stuff, logistically?
02:09:27 <herlo> spevack: vinyl stickers (aka case badges)??
02:09:29 <inode0> Brian has most of the pens, I have no idea how many remain
02:09:39 <inode0> I probably have a few hundred pens too
02:09:40 * herlo isn't interested in that, we have tons of those...
02:09:48 <spevack> herlo: nope, different. like those clear sticky
things you put on your car window that peel off, i think :)
02:10:00 <Southern_Gentlem> clings
02:10:10 <makfinsky> I have tattoos and a handful of install media.
02:10:11 <herlo> spevack: oh, I want sticker pads like the rh guys
have at their booth every time
02:10:15 <StabbyMc> Ok, I have a box of clings but haven't spent any
time at home to ship them.
02:10:17 <spevack> so we're ok on pens and tattoos
02:10:19 <herlo> and I'm willing to put up the work to do it
02:10:23 <spevack> herlo: say what?
02:10:25 <StabbyMc> Plus once the sticker invoice gets paid, I'll have
those to send too.
02:10:26 <spevack> herlo: pixplz :)
02:10:35 <herlo> spevack: hang on, I'll get em
02:11:18 <spevack> StabbyMc: i'm doing the sticker payment *right now*
02:11:20 <inode0> I don't know we are good on pens but I suspect we are ok
02:11:32 <StabbyMc> spevack: appreciated.
02:11:43 <herlo> #link
02:11:46 <herlo> spevack: ^^
02:12:14 <herlo> similar to those...
02:12:30 <inode0> didn't StabbyMc just get a bunch of the larger sticker made?
02:12:31 <herlo> the big pages of stickers really don't work all that
well. I like these because they are easy to hand out
02:12:43 <StabbyMc> herlo:
02:12:47 <StabbyMc> Like these ^
02:12:55 <herlo> StabbyMc: no
02:13:10 <inode0> that is a lousy picture
02:13:12 <herlo> StabbyMc: those *with* the freedom, friends,
features, first on there too
02:13:14 <spevack> StabbyMc: paid :)
02:13:38 <StabbyMc> herlo: the stickers ordered are like these:
02:13:54 <inode0> herlo: you want the ones with the 6 case badge style
02:13:57 <herlo> anyway, sounds like it might already be in place...
02:14:14 <StabbyMc> herlo: we got 3000 sticker for $750 including shipping.
02:14:25 <herlo> inode0: yes, but similar to the original ones mizmo did
02:14:40 <herlo> StabbyMc: it's all good, I'll do it on the next batch then :)
02:14:43 <inode0> right, these are 3" logo stickers
02:15:03 <herlo> there was just discussion at SCaLE that it would be
nice to have ones like I suggested above :)
02:15:07 <inode0> we figured since we actually have case badges we'd
just get more larger stickers
02:15:11 * herlo also owns media
02:15:24 <herlo> and I read that there is a desire to have DVDs only?
02:15:27 <herlo> StabbyMc: ^^
02:16:01 * spevack created
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_production to try to be a central
point of sanity and organization
02:16:06 <spevack> patches welcome :)
02:16:17 <herlo> spevack: right-o
02:16:21 <Arsenick> StabbyMc, those stickers are nice, how it work if
we want some for canada ?
02:16:33 <StabbyMc> herlo: Yeah, that's the next topic.
02:16:53 <herlo> StabbyMc: oh, sorry
02:17:04 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: isn't djf_jeff your regional ambassador?
02:17:15 <inode0> while still on this topic ... my short list is
buttons, sponsorship of TLF & LFNW
02:17:21 <Arsenick> yup, I should check with him ?
02:17:38 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: I'll be sending a bunch to him for
distribution to you.
02:17:42 <spevack> I have one "general" budget item to share as well,
at the end.
02:17:45 <spevack> just an FYI
02:17:45 <Arsenick> ho nice, Thanks
02:18:03 <inode0> screenprinted table skirts or sheets for booths?
02:18:08 <inode0> more banners?
02:18:16 <inode0> VileGent: ^^^
02:18:58 <spevack> inode0: TLF & LFNW should be simple. Do you have
recommendations in terms of sponsorship amounts?
02:19:14 <inode0> spevack: quick math suggests t-shirts + media +
TLF/LFNW is our budget
02:19:55 <spevack> inode0: probably about right, yes
02:20:10 <spevack> buttons and such are pretty cheap though, and
usually get fit in when we under-spend in other regions
02:20:21 <spevack> so it's nice to have quick things like that that we
can just pull the trigger on
02:20:29 <spevack> but we should handle big ticket stuff first.
02:20:31 <spevack> tshirts, for sure
02:20:35 <spevack> and the F13 media plan
02:20:42 <inode0> agree, I think we should have a list and just prioritize it
02:21:01 <spevack> let's build that prioritized list out here
02:21:02 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
02:21:06 <VileGent> i am looking into screenprinted sheets for the event boxes
02:21:15 <VileGent> no priceing yet
02:21:35 <StabbyMc> #action build prioritized list of items/event sponsorship
02:21:56 <VileGent> and I think another set of banners we would good
02:22:13 <VileGent> would be good
02:22:45 <inode0> balloons :)
02:22:53 <inode0> kid friendly stuff
02:23:26 * lcafiero sneaks in and sits in the back of the room
02:23:45 <inode0> tell us what you want while you sneak around
02:23:45 <VileGent> TLF budget on the webpage is here
02:24:08 <VileGent> lcafiero, what is the sponsorship for lfnw
02:24:20 * makfinsky follows lcafiero's example.
02:24:38 <spevack> VileGent: what's the process for acting on Chris
Tucker's TLF sponsorship request?
02:24:42 <inode0> should we digress and talk about sponsorship requests?
02:24:50 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees
02:24:50 <lcafiero> The sponsorship for LFNW is $600 and there will be
travel expenses that we haven't calculated yet
02:24:56 <lcafiero> we=crossbytes and me
02:25:14 <inode0> because in the past we have left it up to event
owners for the most part
02:25:30 <jetrigger> I was curious about that as well.
02:25:51 <spevack> jetrigger is Chris Tucker :)
02:25:56 <spevack> no wonder he's curious :)
02:25:56 <inode0> several people think the section on the TLF page,
similar to FUDCons in the past is a great idea
02:26:41 <spevack> So on the TLF page it ballparks $1k for travel, and
jetrigger is asking for about $300.
02:26:57 <spevack> inode0 is attending, I know.
02:27:01 * inode0 picked $1K out of thin air
02:27:04 <VileGent> spevack, for budgeting purposes it should listed
till we can talk about it more
02:27:15 * inode0 is only attending if his talk is accepted :)
02:27:17 <spevack> I'll be attending if my talk is accepted, but my
travel will come from my team's internal-to-RH travel budget and not
the Ambassador budget
02:27:43 <makfinsky> What talks are you two hoping to give?
02:27:45 <spevack> I think it would be nice to give jetrigger an
answer....? But I look to inode0 as the event owner
02:28:07 <spevack> makfinsky: I submitted a talk about the interesting
stuff going on in the intersection of open source software and
02:28:23 * inode0 thinks answers are easier after 3/8 when we have
speakers who we know are going or not
02:28:26 <spevack> which is something that my team has spent a lot of
time on in the past year -- especially mchua_afk, and gregdek
02:28:45 <spevack> jetrigger: can you wait one more week until we know
all the talks accepted or not?
02:29:09 <makfinsky> spevack: Nice.
02:29:14 <spevack> speaking only for myself, i'm inclined to give it a
+1 unless there's some really weird budget reason not to.
02:29:20 <jetrigger> Sure, if need be, I was trying to do this
speedily to get discounted rate on lodging.
02:29:22 * inode0 also asked jetrigger to add a description of
activities he plans to do at TLF
02:29:33 <spevack> inode0: +1 to that for sure
02:29:54 <inode0> I know, I just thought they should be on the wiki :)
02:30:13 <spevack> right, +1 to putting that list down is what I was saying :)
02:30:23 <StabbyMc> spevack: other budgetary items?
02:30:30 <spevack> two random things:
02:30:33 <lcafiero> Linux Fest Northwest
02:30:42 <lcafiero> ?
02:30:52 <spevack> (1) I sent an email to a few folks earlier -- I've
stolen an un-used laptop off of spot's desk, and it will be donated to
NA ambassadors' event box.
02:31:21 <Arsenick> StabbyMc, , is this when I need to talk about the
event box ?
02:31:26 <spevack> (2) In the next two weeks or so -- after all of
RH's year-end stuff is done -- finance is going to give me their
thoughts on buying pre-loaded VISA cards that we can hand out to
02:31:36 <spevack> I'm *really hoping* we can make that a reality
02:31:37 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: that's coming up :-)
02:31:41 <Arsenick> StabbyMc, ok :P
02:31:42 <lcafiero> +1
02:31:46 <spevack> that's all from me
02:31:53 * spevack goes back to lurking
02:32:05 <spevack> and tries not to fall asleep after a long day :P
02:32:16 <VileGent> spevack, ok where is that laptop going to go
02:32:18 <lcafiero> spevack, check your e-mail about the Los Angeles Angels hat
02:32:35 <lcafiero> The west coast yields to the senator from Virginia.
02:32:40 <spevack> VileGent: it's going back to RDU with me. You guys
tell me what to do with it from there :)
02:32:47 <spevack> lcafiero: ok
02:32:56 <VileGent> spevack, i suspect canada
02:33:12 <VileGent> but we will discuss
02:33:20 <inode0> it is something nice to put into their event box :)
02:33:24 <lcafiero> I don't think we need it on the WC
02:33:24 <spevack> they need a laptop *AND* a gold medal? sheesh!
02:33:31 <Arsenick> yup it would be awesome!
02:33:33 <lcafiero> Heh.
02:33:36 <Arsenick> maha
02:33:40 <StabbyMc> Ok, in the interest of keeping the meeting moving
02:33:42 <StabbyMc> #topic North American Meeting - Budget
Review.Media Spins, Quantity
02:34:01 <StabbyMc> So a while ago we talked about changing the media
02:34:02 <inode0> they play us and they play us and they play us until
they win and they get a gold medal
02:34:02 * lcafiero will bring up LFNW during open floor -- just a warning :-)
02:34:03 <spevack> Arsenick: I'm happy to send it up to the Canada
event box. I have no problem with that at all
02:34:16 <spevack> Arsenick: are you assembling that box?
02:34:24 <spevack> Arsenick: if so, send me a shipping address
02:34:25 <StabbyMc> I had proposed making an install DVD that also
contained a live image.
02:34:47 <StabbyMc> But nothing ever came of it.
02:34:59 <Arsenick> spevack,If we need to assemble it we will! But I
don't know how they ship it
02:35:07 <StabbyMc> But it would cut down on the amount of different
types of media we produce.
02:35:22 <spevack> StabbyMc: does that require additional engineering work?
02:35:25 <spevack> from rel-eng?
02:35:37 <StabbyMc> spevack: probably.
02:35:45 <inode0> would be nice to have multi-arch DVDs
02:35:46 <Arsenick> spevack, ok I'll send you the address by mail, do
you need any other information, or you got everything you need to buy
02:35:52 <inode0> but we aren't driving that
02:35:56 <StabbyMc> spevack: jds2001 was supposed to broach the topic,
but don't know that anything came of it.
02:36:21 <spevack> StabbyMc: anything for F13 that requires new work
needs to be a feature that is being worked on. It might be too late
for that for F13 already, I'm not sure.
02:36:28 * spevack consults the schedule
02:36:35 <inode0> isn't happening for F13
02:36:59 <spevack> yeah, inode0 is right.
02:37:03 <spevack> I
02:37:33 <VileGent> ok i am totally lost
02:37:38 <spevack> I think that if Ambassadors are seeing a need for
either multi-arch DVDs or an image that combines both, it's our
responsibility to (at the least) tell the rel-eng guys about that in
an email to their list and ask for their thoughts
02:37:52 <spevack> (and at the most) spec out some feature proposals
that can be discussed in F14 planning
02:37:58 <spevack> but we can't just expect them to read these logs and do it.
02:38:03 * spevack states the obvious
02:38:07 <spevack> VileGent: go ahead
02:38:14 <inode0> they are considering it anyway, and we have spoken
to them about it
02:38:20 <spevack> cool
02:38:26 * spevack doesn't know anything :)
02:38:39 <inode0> seems inevitable at some point
02:38:56 <inode0> but I'm probably wrong
02:39:15 * ianweller is hereish
02:39:18 <StabbyMc> Ok, so tabled for now I guess.
02:39:20 <VileGent> i hope someone is writeing down the budget stuff
02:39:44 <inode0> StabbyMc: what we want given what is available
should be discussed maybe?
02:40:05 * inode0 wants herlo to use his brilliant judgment and decide :)
02:40:36 <lcafiero> +1 on herlo's judgment
02:40:39 <StabbyMc> inode0: The agenda item was types and quantity of
media, I defer to herlo.
02:40:55 <spevack> VileGent: i captured most of it
02:40:56 <inode0> one question that has come up though is do we want
KDE live media
02:41:27 * lcafiero looks for the exits, just in case
02:41:40 <makfinsky> Is that up for general discussion? I vote for kde
02:41:53 <inode0> I think we have no idea if there is any demand for
it, thinks if we make it and people take it it tells us nothing about
02:41:58 <makfinsky> So far, live media has been more popular with
folks I've met than the install media.
02:42:32 <VileGent> makfinsky, most people can get livecd.iso easily
02:42:35 <lcafiero> actually, I think that's changing
02:42:37 <inode0> My opinion generally was to get rid of DVDs and only
do Live media at events
02:42:40 <jetrigger> Everyone likes the live media at the LUG
02:42:51 <makfinsky> Yeah, I can't say one way or the other about what
desktop in the live media, just that everyone prefers the live media.
02:43:06 <lcafiero> at scale, install media was more popular than in the past
02:43:10 <VileGent> at Scale both where very popular
02:43:11 <inode0> very few people in NA can't download the DVD if they
want it, the live media can be tested at the event
02:43:46 <makfinsky> A live/install dvd would be great.
02:43:57 <inode0> people just take whatever is in a cool sleeve at events
02:43:59 <VileGent> makfinsky, aint gonna happen
02:44:08 <lcafiero> +1 mak
02:44:10 <inode0> do they ever actually take it out and use it is what matters
02:44:19 <Arsenick> makfinsky, yup!
02:44:38 <VileGent> making livemedia would be cheaper
02:45:14 <VileGent> what is the price for cds vs dvds
02:46:07 * inode0 thinks we lost herlo
02:46:44 <inode0> seems like it was 50 cents for CDs and 70 for DVDs
or something along those lines?!
02:46:50 <makfinsky> VileGent: I know it's unlikely, especially for f13.
02:47:32 <makfinsky> Is it even possible to buy a regular old cdrom
for a laptop anymore?
02:48:05 <VileGent> so if we go with livecds what should be the split
by type and arch
02:48:54 <inode0> this is where I really want multi-arch because
having to choose confuses many people
02:49:48 <makfinsky> inode0: +1
02:49:55 <inode0> if we want them to actually install using the live
media we need both, if we want the live media to be for a test drive
we really only need 32 bit
02:51:14 <inode0> but if I walk up to a booth and say can I have
Fedora and I'm confronted with 32 bit live, 64 bit live, 32 bit live
kde, ..., this DVD and that DVD my head hurts
02:52:21 <makfinsky> Agreed. The question here is what can we,
ambassadors, do to help solve that technical problem?
02:52:22 <Arsenick> inode0, +1 but what it mean, is there a lot of
technical job to be done ? is it a question of time ?
02:52:54 * inode0 asks who our target audience is?
02:54:06 * threethirty thinks the target audience is "people with computers"
02:54:19 <spevack> what are people asking for when we actually meet
them? For instance, at FOSDEM we had a bunch of requests for x86_64
media, which we didn't have. Noted, and will be corrected next
02:54:55 <herlo> spevack: most people were asking for USB media
02:54:58 <herlo> at SCaLE
02:55:05 <herlo> inode0: I'm here...
02:55:07 <VileGent> ???
02:55:07 <spevack> herlo: did they have USB sticks of their own?
02:55:08 <herlo> just slow
02:55:13 <herlo> spevack: no
02:55:13 <inode0> wb herlo
02:55:31 <herlo> but I don't think we're at a price point that matters...
02:55:41 <spevack> We're going to spend a few hundred bucks on some
USB keys for EMEA
02:55:44 <inode0> hello, do you have Fedora on a 1TB external USB hard
drive I can have? :)
02:55:53 <dnhodgson> people just want free USB sticks
02:55:54 <spevack> and it's being left to the Ambassadors to be smart
with to whom they re-distribute them
02:56:04 <spevack> because of what dnhodgson says
02:56:17 <VileGent> -1 on usb sticks
02:56:43 <lcafiero> we put F12 on some sticks given to us at scale by the owners
02:56:50 <inode0> I looked into and priced some usb sticks for us to
possibly give out for special circumstances ... can be discussed or
02:56:59 <jetrigger> Not every computer is usb bootable. People want
the free stick to put other stuff on.
02:56:59 <VileGent> for the price we can make 20 pieces on media
02:57:35 <Arsenick> jetrigger, I think most of "new" computer can boot
from usb no ?
02:57:37 <inode0> well, some do
02:58:00 <inode0> all pieces of media end up in the trash - at least
the usb sticks would be used
02:58:20 <lcafiero> ever since oscon last year, we've been offering to
put F11 & F12 on sticks provided by people if they so chose.
02:58:20 <VileGent> do we think it would be nice to hand out usbsticks
yes is it finiancially doable no
02:58:28 <lcafiero> That worked pretty well, imho
02:58:40 <jetrigger> Most can I would think, but there are some that
cannot, we tried at a install group once.
02:58:45 <spevack> not to interrupt -- but is there anything that
anyone here needs from me that can't wait until tomorrow or Wednesday?
I am quickly hitting the wall in terms of productivity tonight.
02:58:57 <spevack> er, tomorrow *is* wednesday
02:59:08 <Arsenick> maybe it could be a good idea to offer to people
making their usb key a live key ?
02:59:10 <inode0> spevack: maybe
02:59:18 <Arsenick> at events and booth
02:59:27 <spevack> Arsenick: we do that!
02:59:32 <VileGent> herlo, some have said we should do only livecd
for f13 what are your thoughts
02:59:36 <Arsenick> spevack, ho great :) hehe
02:59:45 <VileGent> Arsenick, we do that
02:59:50 <spevack> Arsenick: at least, we have the capabilities for
that, and some people do it :)
03:00:23 <makfinsky> spevack: Any links on the wiki ie, howto?
03:00:49 <spevack> makfinsky: yum install liveusb-creator :)
03:01:01 <makfinsky> Oh, duh. I've done that.
03:01:48 <StabbyMc> So we ready for the next topic?
03:01:54 <Arsenick> spevack, nice, I'll try to do it at next release
party to see if there's a "demand" for this
03:02:08 * inode0 goes back to leaving it to the wisdom of herlo - he
knows what he is doing :)
03:02:12 <VileGent> makfinsky,
03:02:19 <StabbyMc> inode0: +1
03:02:44 <makfinsky> Thnx VileGent!
03:03:53 <StabbyMc> so we're saying we leave media production in
herlo's capable hands?
03:03:56 <StabbyMc> In favor?
03:04:15 <lcafiero> +1
03:04:51 <StabbyMc> aye
03:05:00 <dnhodgson> +1
03:05:03 <VileGent> +1
03:05:11 <makfinsky> +1
03:05:21 <threethirty> +1
03:05:56 <StabbyMc> #topic North American Meeting - Budget
Review.Canada Event Box
03:06:08 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: have at it.
03:06:20 <Arsenick> ok
03:07:13 <Arsenick> so I just need to know how it works to buy the
event box, do I need to send price and everything to Max ?
03:08:43 <Arsenick> The timing was bad with the end of the quarter and
the event I wasn't able to reach spevack
03:08:49 <StabbyMc> who bought/stocked the other NA event boxes and
how did it work?
03:09:00 <herlo> VileGent: sorry, I'm only half here
03:09:04 <VileGent> StabbyMc, just like that
03:09:25 <VileGent> herlo what were you saying about event boxes at SCALE
03:09:27 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: there you go.
03:09:38 <herlo> alright, I'll try to stay here
03:09:51 <spevack> Arsenick: I'm sorry -- we'll get it bought this quarter :)
03:10:03 <Arsenick> spevack, so I check with few store on amazon and
I've found the best place to buy it, lowest price, ship to canada and
the overall price is the best
03:10:24 <spevack> Arsenick: great!
03:10:32 <Arsenick> spevack, it's ok, I've sent few emails but I
didn't want to insist ;) Was just trying to fit it in the last quarter
03:10:45 <spevack> Arsenick: I've just been swamped, it's my fault. I'm sorry
03:11:03 <Arsenick> so I just need to give you the website + shipping
address and that's it ?
03:11:14 <StabbyMc> damn it spevack, why can't you be at the beck and
call of the ambassadors, 24/7? ;-)
03:11:16 <herlo> as far as event boxen go, we have two sets of boxes
that are kind of coming together to be one in a few places
03:11:29 <Arsenick> I didn't find lot of information on how this work
for the ambassadors
03:11:58 <spevack> StabbyMc: i try :)
03:12:01 <spevack> but sometimes I fail :)
03:12:12 <spevack> lately i've been failing too much, to be honest
03:12:32 <StabbyMc> spevack: I wouldn't sweat it.
03:12:42 <herlo> specifically the AVKit and the EventBox become one maybe...
03:12:53 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: you got what you needed?
03:12:55 <herlo> we'll have a need for larger eventbox boxes
03:13:09 * herlo is sorry if he's interfering with other convos
03:13:21 <Arsenick> StabbyMc, almost.. lol
03:14:06 <Arsenick> spevack, What do you need to buy the box ?
03:16:09 * lcafiero has reservations about boxes larger than what we
03:16:14 <spevack> Arsenick: a link to exactly what you want, and a
shipping address :)
03:16:34 <spevack> and a +1 from the folks in this meeting that it's
the right thing to buy
03:16:42 <inode0> +12
03:16:45 <inode0> -2
03:16:47 <StabbyMc> Ok it's 10:15, I'm ready to call it.
03:17:10 <StabbyMc> 5
03:17:16 <inode0> wait
03:18:00 <inode0> is herlo done? any discussion? has lcafiero talked about LFNW?
03:18:30 <spevack> Arsenick: easy enough
03:18:49 <Arsenick> 41.25 for the shipping + 148.55 for the box Total: 189.8$
03:19:13 <lcafiero> i have not, but i can bring it up on list
03:19:22 <StabbyMc> Arsenick: I think that'll work better if you send
spevack an e-mail with the link and your shipping address.
03:19:28 <lcafiero> I want to make sure it gets addresses, but we
haven't sorted out the budget completely.
03:19:29 <dnhodgson> arsenick: is that CAD?
03:19:55 <Arsenick> Nop, USD
03:19:58 <lcafiero> addresses=addressed
03:20:18 * spevack copied the URL into his todo list
03:20:23 <spevack> but the shipping address is still needed
03:20:29 <Arsenick> StabbyMc, ok no problem, just wanted to show
everyone what I've spotted
03:20:48 <Arsenick> spevack, I'm sending this to your email
03:20:55 <inode0> Arsenick: that is a great price
03:21:15 <spevack> Arsenick: cool
03:21:38 <Arsenick> Allright, done with the event box :)
03:22:20 <Arsenick> inode0, yep not that much!
03:22:27 <StabbyMc> #topic North American Meeting - Unfinished Business
03:22:38 <StabbyMc> lcafiero
03:22:42 <StabbyMc> NWLF
03:22:53 <herlo> inode0: internet here sucks
03:23:21 <inode0> herlo: we can do it again later when things are better
03:23:21 <lcafiero> Well, briefly -- I didn't want the budgeting
discussion to go by without bringing this up
03:23:45 <lcafiero> We're probably looking at the same amount for LFNW
as TLF, or maybe less.
03:24:02 <lcafiero> So being late to the meeting, I don't know what
03:24:23 <lcafiero> Anyway, I can review the log and bring it up for
discussion on list and bring it up for the next meeting.
03:24:33 <herlo> inode0: cool
03:24:35 <inode0> I think we basically agreed to sponsoring both
before you came although other support is going to need to be worked
03:24:42 <lcafiero> OK
03:26:02 <lcafiero> Just wanted to make sure LFNW got a fair shake
03:27:10 <VileGent> lcafiero, and get a budget page on the wiki
03:27:30 <lcafiero> There is a budget section on the wiki. It's not
yet filled in
03:27:45 <lcafiero> by wiki you're talking about the LFNW wiki, right?
03:27:50 <StabbyMc> inode0: we good?
03:28:12 <inode0> sorry, doing double duty
03:28:19 <VileGent> lcafiero, 1k for lfnw and i think 1k for TLF and
media and tshirts and we is done
03:28:32 <inode0> I'm good
03:28:42 <StabbyMc> Ok, then I'm wrapping it up.
03:28:44 <StabbyMc> 5
03:28:46 <lcafiero> Well, 1k may not be enough, but we'll see.
03:28:54 <StabbyMc> 4
03:29:01 <StabbyMc> 3
03:29:10 <StabbyMc> 2
03:29:16 <StabbyMc> 1
03:29:20 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting