Fedora 21 Beta Release Readiness Meeting.
date: 2014-10-23 place: irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-2
time: 19:00 UTC (3 PM EDT, 12 PM PDT, 21:00 CEST)
This Thursday, October 23, we will meet to make sure we are coordinated
and ready for the Beta release of Fedora 21 on Tuesday, October 28, 2014.
Please note that this meeting will occur on October 23 even if the
release is delayed at the Go/No-Go meeting on the same day two hours
You may received this message several times, but I was asked to open this
meeting to the teams and I'll also hope this will raise awareness and more
team representatives will come to this meeting. This meeting works best
when we have representatives from all of the teams. Also, there's a
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Jiri Eischmann píše v St 01. 10. 2014 v 17:01 +0200:
> Jiri Eischmann píše v St 03. 09. 2014 v 13:41 +0200:
> > Hi,
> > yesterday in FAmSCo, we started a discussion what media we should
> > produce for F21.
> > We have been producing Multidesktop Live DVD for many releases, but with
> > the Fedora.Next changes we need to revisit it.
> > In FAmSCo, we've pretty much agreed that Multidesktop Live DVD is not
> > very aligned with the Fedora.Next initiative where we want to emphasize
> > the official products and those products should be delivered as clear
> > offerings all the way to the users. Merging them with other spins means
> > that the clear product offering is lost before it reaches the users.
> > Although Multidesktop Live DVD is economically the best solution, it is
> > not from the marketing perspective and doesn't deliver the message of
> > Fedora.Next products.
> > Suggestions that have come up at the meeting:
> > * the Cloud product doesn't really need a DVD media,
> > * having one DVD with Workstation and Server Products,
> > * having separate DVDs with Workstation and Server,
> > * creating additional DVD with other flavors of Fedora (other desktops,
> > many other specialized spins?) if there is enough interest and demand.
> > Christoph Wickert is going to bring it up on the workstation and server
> > group mailing lists and I'd like to start the discussion here because
> > this is very related to marketing. Opinions? :)
> > Jiri
> > P.S. we also discussed replacing DVDs with usb flash drives. As much as
> > we'd love to offer flash drives instead of DVDs it's still not a viable
> > option because flash drives are still 10x more expensive than DVDs. Not
> > much has changed there in the last two years :/
> We discussed the topic in FAmSCo again.
> The topic was discussed on several mailing lists and we've only
> registered strong demand for DVDs of Fedora Workstation. There have been
> some suggestions to add Fedora Server to FW as a virtual machine, but no
> one has volunteered to execute this idea and we really need to move the
> matter forward.
> So the plan is to produce Fedora Workstation DVDs, 64bit only because we
> don't know of 32-bit computers which could run FW reasonably. We may
> also consider some less power hungry option for the regions of APAC and
> LATAM (probably Xfce Spin). But it only will be an alternative, Fedora
> Workstation DVD is what we want to distribute globally.
> The quantities and whether the alternative DVD will be produced is at
> the discretion of the regions because the production is paid from their
> budgets and they're the closest to users, so they should know the best
> what they need.
> Other kinds of media might be also considered and used in the end, but
> it doesn't stop the DVD production because DVDs will remain our primary
> media for this release.
> The plan is of course a subject of change. I just felt it was necessary
> to push it forward and propose a concrete solution because there is not
> much time left.
I finally have quotes for EMEA:
dual-layer DVD (DVD9):
unit price: $.78 (quantity: 1000), $.55 (2000), $.44 (3000), $.36 (5000)
single-layer DVD (DVD5):
unit price: $.70 (1000), $.50 (2000), $.41 (3000), $.34 (5000)
If we want CD Digipack (booklet cover instead of a simple sleeve cover)
we will have to pay an additional cost:
$.50 (1000), $.35 (2000), $.27 (3000), $.22 (5000)
I also asked about the mini DVDs (8cm) which are much lighter to ship.
They said they don't produce them any more because they don't work with
the new Macbook-like DVD drives which is a very valid argument against
USB flash disk (form factor: credit card, CMYK print, 4GB, quantity:
unit price: $4.36
The price already includes preloading data on the drives.
We've explored the market quite extensively and you cannot buy flash
drives much cheaper. We may get down to $3-4, but it'd be really shitty
drives with no print on them and no preloaded data.
Paper web key (21x10cm):
unit prices: $1.97 (500), $1.55 (1000)
Plastic web key (see the attached picture):
unit prices: $1.54 (500), $1.34 (1000)
The price of web keys is IMHO quite high considering that they can't
contain almost no data. They're usually used to open a browser with a
certain website, so I guess autorun is used which is more or less a
The cheapest alternative to DVDs would be fliers with a download link/QR
code and instructions how to download Fedora, create a bootable usb, and
I've already created a ticket in the EMEA trac, so that we can discuss
and vote about the production for this region:
This mail is a reminder for today's meeting for the French speaking community.
2014-10-20 / 20:30 (hour of Paris)
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion de la communauté francophone, qui aura lieu ce lundi (20 octobre) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting-1 .
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All FAMNA, and interested ambassadors,
We are looking for some ideas for the marketing team in how we want to
F21. Marketing can put together some flyers and is working on a presentation
that will be down loadable for us and anyone who is interested in what
What we would like are some ideas on the content. For example; What type of
features are contained in each for cloud, desktop, and server.
What are the differences between cloud and desktop. Features unique to
or unique to other distributions.
Please send your replies to Chris Roberts croberts(a)croberts.org or
directly to the marketing team.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zamir SUN" <zsun(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: "ambassadors" <ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:27:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Polo Shirts for Fedora Ambassadors in APAC
> I added a column "Country" on the size request page so that it will be
> easier to deliver the right size to the right country.
I am not sure this is a good idea or it could make more confused in sizes.
I prefer to add another column for people to put size in both Asian and
> And I switched the theme to make the table sortable.
Please join us for our weekly FAMNA meeting tonight 9pm east 6pm west,
we will be discussing some F21 promotion ideas for Ambassadors.
The idea is to transform FAmSCo into Fedora Outreach Steering Committee,
representing and coordinating Ambassadors, Marketing, Design Team (which is
responsible for branding), and support efforts like Ask Fedora and even
Documentation and Web. It would also include areas of the new Fedora.next
Working Groups which touch on these areas — branding, marketing, conference
attendance in support of a particular product, and etc. (Not to _rule_ them,
but to coordinate and enable.)
What do you think?
[I'm multi-posting this to several lists, btw]
Fedora Project Leader