Jona here, Fedora Ambassador from Albania. I saw it fit to write to the
mailing list after being looped in one of the meetings FAmSCo had yesterday
on 9th March.
I try to regularly check the logs of the meetings which feel important to
me, so the last FAmSCo meeting was no exception here. Somewhere down the
line in the meeting, around 15:43 in the log  a discussion around the
definition of "community" in Albania and Greece sparked, specifically
initiated by Robert Scheck, which on behalf of the community I represent,
we find troubling:
- "Sorry, but you can not treat Albania as a real community so far. We
had the same "community" in Greece some years ago - and after 2 years, most
of them went away...to Mozilla."
- "a community is something that exists for really a lot of years and is
Although initially a surprising statement, I went on to read further
clarification, however there was no resolution found, with the suggestion
coming up that this should be taken to the mailing list, which I am doing
So, since there has been a discussion taking place where Albania's
contributions (and so also my contributions) have been mentioned without me
being present, I would hate to keep silent about this. As someone who led
grassroots efforts to start up the Fedora community in Albania, dedicating
more time to the Fedora project than anything else in my free time, seeing
comments like these from a fellow Fedora Ambassador (let alone mentor) is
insulting to the hundreds of hours of work put in by fellow community
members in Albania, including myself. Seeing myself in this position, I
also doubt that any contributor from Greece feels comfortable in a similar
fashion with these comments.
I didn't want this topic to sink in the meeting logs, so I brought it up
here in the mailing list to gather your general feedback and thoughts on
this matter (and to avoid this in the future ideally).
I am deeply concerned with comments like this out of nowhere, and think
that there are others sharing my concerns.
On behalf of the Albanian Fedora community.
Join us on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting for the Fedora 24 Alpha
Release Readiness Meeting meeting.
The meeting is going to be held on Thursday, March 17, 2016 19:00 UTC.
Please check the [FedoCal] link for your time zone.
We will meet to make sure we are coordinated and ready for the Alpha
release of Fedora 24 on Tuesday, March 22nd, 2016. Please note that
this meeting is going to be held even if the release is delayed at the
Go/No-Go meeting on the same day two hours earlier.
You may received this message several times, but I was asked to open
this meeting to the teams and I'll also hope this will raise awareness
and more team representatives will come to this meeting. This meeting
works best when we have representatives from all of the teams.
Thank you for your support and Regards, Jan
More information available at:
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Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic
Hey EMEA Ambassadors,
we're going to have our regular meeting tomorrow. See below for more info:
* Date: Wednesday, March 16th, 2016
* Time: 21:00 UTC
* Location: #fedora-meeting @ freenode
* Meeting Agenda:
- Roll Call
- Ambassadors Schedule
- Action items from previous meetings
- Open Floor
If you have any requests that need to be discussed during the meeting, make sure
to file a ticket on trac.
See you all there. :)
giannisk on irc.freenode.net
For those who have missed it
Seems that the Fedora Security and OSSTMM Teachings we gave to
universities and at conferences in india now turn out to pay back ;)
Community Star - Black Shield Award Nullcon Goa 2016 for Fedora
wish you a happy evening
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Yeesh, this is expensive. The booth cost alone is ... well, it's like
airfare for three or four contributors from the west coast US or LATAM
to Flock, or twice that many from the east coast or APAC.
I know this is a big, high-profile conference, but... is it worth it?
What do we get out of it? Since it's _already_ an open source
conference, how does our presence advance the Fedora mission?
Fedora Project Leader
On 03/08/2016 04:59 PM, Bhagyashree Uday wrote:
> Hi ,
> So I am pretty late with this since I have been stuck with my mid
> semester exams for the past week and more but here is the FOSDEM report
> finally :
> Do tell me what you think and suggestions/any more metrics to include,
> if any.
> Also, jflory we can surely work on Brickhacks report next :)
Pretty sure we discussed this pretty heavily in IRC and in the CommOps
meeting, but this is seriously *awesome* data that tells a fantastic
story of Fedora's impact at FOSDEM over the past three years. I think
your report is something everyone in the Project should at least look
over to see the kind of stories that can be told with our existing
infrastructure, like Badges and fedmsg (looking forward to taking a look
at BrickHack next)!
I'm CCing a few extra lists for this reply:
* Ambassadors: Great read to see how we can measure impact at events and
justify an event from a budget perspective by finding a way to turn the
"people interactions" into quantifiable data
* Social Media / Marketing: This would be a great thing to highlight on
the official Fedora feeds. I'm going to post it to /r/Fedora on Reddit
and the Telegram announcement group momentarily. Getting this on
Facebook / Twitter / Google+ would be a great thing to do!
If anyone from these other lists has feedback on the actual article or
wants to discuss it further, please make sure you reply to the CommOps
list to prevent cross-posting across the lists.
Justin W. Flory
On 03/08/2016 01:32 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> I think that one thing that may be useful to set as part of the goals
> to try to inspire teachers and staff on campus to become part of
> ambassadors and campus ambassadors.
> The rationale to include this is that a student may spend from 3 to 5
> years in the university depending on the studying program, but a
> teacher or staff may stay at the university longer.
> If the student didn't inspire other students about fedora, fedora's
> presence will end when the student graduates. Besides a teacher or
> staff may have greater audience than a student.
> It may happen that the teacher or staff may be tempted to use fedora
> resources to make their classes or labs more appealing, this may be a
> gray area. Like: "I will teach an extra class with free pizza which
> will be using fedora". I will trust that most of us are for the
> In other hand it may be difficult for some countries this level of
> sponsoring. Most of the reimbursement process is made by paypal. In
> some countries you can not get funds by paypal. Some of the countries
> that you can get the funds you can only used as a electronic wallet and
> you can not cash that money. For some people electronic money is
> useful, but not for all. So we have to be careful to not create
> unrealistic expectations regarding sponsoring.
> Just my two cents on this topic.
Thanks for chiming in on this topic.
I definitely agree that getting teachers and academic faculty involved
as Campus Ambassadors is a crucial and important dynamic. Like you
noted, there is a much larger window for how long the faculty member can
impact youth and introduce a new generation to Linux and Fedora.
I'm trying to think of a way to frame this within the current draft on
the wiki, but I'm thinking maybe it becomes a two-pronged rewrite. There
could be a section for students and another section for teachers /
faculty to get involved as Campus Ambassadors.
My concerns are whether it would be confusing to keep the students in
the same mailing list / agenda planning as faculty members. Both
students and faculty may need resources unique from one another in terms
of guidance or strategical planning for events.
What do you all think about adding the faculty dynamic to the Campus
Justin W. Flory