On 27/02/14 17:47, Robert Mayr wrote:

2014-02-27 17:40 GMT+01:00 Tristan Santore
<tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net>:

I did read your ticket, I had to login for that one!
Question is did you read my reply properly. SHOULD had a real meaning there.
Also, this discussion has come up for years and years. Some FAS accounts are
already set as inactive under certain conditions. I made sure to check with
Infra before I wrote a reply.

Also, my last email was strongly worded, because some imbecile complained
about another ambassadors activity or lack thereof and questioning why he
was using another distribution.

Quite frankly, either which is none of the persons businesses and not a good
way to encourage ambassador activities.

So, I would like to know, where you think I have twisted "claims", I
actually quoted a bit of your ticket too.


Regards,

Tristan

Are you sure you read it properly? I think not, and I don't understand
why you are throwing around with these rough statements, which are
offending people.
The purpose of this ticket (and discussion) is to get done with this
topic one time for all, asking also for inputs which could help
figuring it out the best way. If you think the ticket is against you
I'm sorry, or why do you use words as " because some imbecile
complained" ??
Please calm down, I don't want to read such offending words here, not
against FAmSCo and not against anyone within the Fedora Project. Why
don't you propose a solution or a better process instead?
Regards.

If you complain about a volunteer, which is what being a Fedora Ambassador is
, that he/she is not doing enough, when they have their Thesis to write, because that is what will feed them for the rest of their lives, allowing them to be a Fedora Ambassador in the first place, nevermind the fact that you are being not only unethical, but also beyond the acceptable conduct as an ambassador, then I think you are being an imbecile. Also, as imbecile is not a swear word, I do not understand how you could be offended by that statement, unless of course you were the person having a moan at the individual involved.

Also,I have proposed a solution, see my last email. There clearly is an issue in Brazil, which might also relate to other countries.

We do have a motto in Fedora. Freedom, Friends, Features, First.

Now, in my book, if you manage to annoy people that much, that they become inactive, or you hassle them to be more active, then you are violating two of our core principals, namely Freedom and Friends.

So, I will repeat! We need to substantiate why people have become inactive amongst the Fedora Ambassador Programme. So, contact those people in a friendly manner, asking them if they would mind participating in an anonymous survey, as to why they are no longer active in the ambassadors group. I suggest a Fedora Election based system, with a questionnaire. This will not only save the Mentors and FAMSCO people from having to deal with 100s of cases of inactive members, but would also get to the bottom of the issue.

Using pesticide on a field that has no pests, is a bit silly. So, find out what is wrong. If 35 out of 50 people become inactive and the remainder becomes disgruntled, there clearly is an issue there. And I am not only talking about the people being inactive here! Why anyone would take all of this as serious as that, is quite frankly beyond me, but also might explain why the other 35 are inactive in the first place (just a thought).

In other words, without quantification and qualification of the perceived issues, we will never know in the first place! So make a survey! How else are you going to make the ambassadors programme better ?

Appeasing the few and disgruntling the many is not a good method in increasing Fedora Contributor numbers.

I think Pierre makes a valid point, when he mentions different cultural backgrounds. So, maybe it should be made clear that people should not take this that serious and have FUN (remember now: Freedom and Friends)! You can have plenty of aggro doing your day job or stress from your education. Not many people will be turned on by hassle coming from their leisurely activities.

Regards,

Tristan

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