On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Matt McKenzie
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro>
>> Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado wrote:
>> > I'm sending this email behalf to Marcel, because each time it sends to
>> > the list, the system does not accept
>> I don't have handy a better link (the talks happened years ago) than
>> The is, we were kindly asked by Red Hat not to use any hats (or fedoras)
>> so we don't confuse the audience and don't dilute any trademark.
> If I am reading this right, it sounds like it is talking about not using the
> little blue fedora hat icon, or a blue tinted Shadowman(tm) for anything on
> Fedora, ex. packages.
> It doesn't talk about an Ambassador wearing an actual blue fedora for
> events, on your person...
> Or was that also discussed in these talks that happened years ago?
> The OP was talking about Ambassadors wearing actual blue fedora hats, not
> about logos on packages or etc.
My recollection of the brand policy is no fedora hats, period. Surely
you can understand how associating a fedora hat with the Fedora
Project would cause brand confusion with our primary sponsor. That
sort of confusion hurts both parties in the long run.
> I myself have a RedHat(tm) red fedora, which I wear to many Linux events, it
> helps people to recognize me as a Linux user. I am not a RedHat employee
> (and I don't claim to be) though just an Ambassador. I have often
> considered a nice blue fedora to wear to these events.
If you are at a linux event we can assume you are a linux user with or
without a hat. Anything associated with Red Hat, whether a fedora hat
or an article of clothing with Shadowman visible, or a backpack from a
Summit, etc. does make people think you work for Red Hat. I can't
begin to count the number of times I have been asked if I work for Red
Hat because I'm carrying a backpack or wearing a visor.
> As long as we don't infringe the trademark Shadowman logo, or tell people we
> are officially affiliated with RedHat (unless an Ambassador is an employee,
> but still wanting to keep Fedora its own entity), is there a problem wearing
> a red or blue fedora to Linux events? It isn't as though they have a
> trademark on a person wearing a fedora in real life, just the Shadowman logo
> and the name "RedHat".
> If I am off track just let me know... :)
Well, I do think it is a problem. You can't tell everyone passing by
you aren't affiliated with Red Hat and probably most will assume you
are if you are wearing a red fedora.
I think rather than looking for some technical explanation in the logo
guidelines we should use common sense and not cause misunderstandings
and brand confusion by wearing fedora hats.
Well said by both you and Christoph. I think the Fedora Ambassador
polo shirts are one of the best (maybe *the* best?) ways to affiliate
with Fedora. They're blue, feature the logo in several places, and
don't clash with the hat guidance John and Christoph mentioned.
Paul W. Frields