This is a waste of everyones time, I have spent the last hour going over these
treads. And for what? Nothing! None of us have time to nitpick over minor
issues. Pick a project, lend a hand if it is not what you think it should be
research the issues on how you can help and offer a solution. And, before you
blow things out of proportion, try to look at the bigger picture. The fact that
I am writing this and coding really pisses me off. I get paid when I work, not
when I waste time on useless threads!
Robert C. Whetsel - CEO & Founder
Fedora Global Ambassador
RavenSong Open Technologies, Inc.
DBA: The Raven Group (1992)
Open Source Architects Specializing in
Enterprise Linux Business Solutions
Frederick Innovative Technology Center
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I am a doer, and I do not see a point in arguing about this whole
issue, instead of knowcking out some useful document for a newbie who
has questions about Fedora. Instead, discussions like this keep
surfacing, taking everyone's time, without any constructive output.
I am moving to close this discussion--nobody from the Marketing group
has complained yet that our activities have encroached on their
project. The moment they do, I will be sure to sort this out.
For the time being, let us concentrate on getting the message out to the
Over and out.
On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes <nman64(a)n-man.com> wrote:
> On Friday 21 April 2006 15:20, "Alex Maier" <lxmaier(a)gmail.com>
> > On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw <clair(a)freehold.no-ip.info> wrote:
> > > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it
> > > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission.
> > > > a
> > >
> > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing?
> > fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do
> > not get stuff done, according to my experience.
> > fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering
> > committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual
> > Ambassadors' initiatives.
> Fedora Ambassadors was given 100% focus after it was created. That is the
> reason that Marketing has become what it now is. It *used* to get things
> done. It *used* to be lively, complete with meetings (which were promptly
> dissolved and replaced with Ambassadors meetings) and several major
> milestones (including formation of the Ambassadors program) achieved. The
> fact that management neglected it horribly does not change the purposes of
> each of Ambassadors and Marketing. The close timing between when the
> Community Marketing Contacts idea arose and when the management of
> was handed off was unfortunate.
> It is highly inappropriate for the Ambassadors program to extend its reach
> into projects that are not within its scope. I have no objection to
> Ambassadors having its own sub-projects, nor with status updates being
> provided by members of other projects, but the Ambassadors program must
> where to draw the line. Fracturing can occur if ambassadors fail to
> acknowledge what items belong to what projects.
> A more fair statement of what is within the Ambassadors scope would be
> items which meet the stated mission and goals of the Fedora Ambassadors
> program and do not conflict with any other existing Fedora project."
> Attempts to extend beyond that scope will only cause problems for the
> Ambassadors program and for the Fedora Project.
> As a side note, fedora-france.org
stands quite well on its own as a
> resource, just like projetofedora.org
and others. They don't need to be
> pulled into the Ambassadors umbrella, but every bit of exposure will help
> Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
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