No the problems are way different

Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 04:51 Uhr schrieb Eduard Lucena <x3mboy@fedoraproject.org>:
Hi,

Pin-pon-ing email specific cases will not solve the problem, and are out of the scope of this conversation. I think the idea, if the ambassador title is meant to be kept in the Fedora Project, is to highligh where problems are found to solve them, by re-engaging or by replacing the process with a new one.

I see 2 parts here, as we all saw in Mindshare:

- Current ambassadors wanting to be recognized, having problems on recognize what "active" means and what they can do to log this "activity".

Thats more the problem some of the metric lovers have

 
- Newcommers wanting to became ambassadors having problems to find sponsorship/mentorship.

Newcomers dont belong to the Ambassadors, there was long time the idea to restrict it even more and make another group mandatory before you even can request to become Ambassador

Both problems, from my perspective, can be solve by having a very well, direct to the point, defined "Active Ambassador Policy". This document need to be clear about how to measure this "activity", if this means that each ambassador needs to send a "I'm here" mail, so be it; if it means connect to an IRC channel, or attend a meeting, or whatever it needs to do, just do it. The problem comes when you (any of us) says: "I'm active" and then there is no place to look for activity:

- Mailing list
- IRC meetings
- FAS Activity

and all of this are no indicator if ambassador work is done, I once said to Bex where you know this person is active because of the activity during meeting. Well sure meeting is during working time at RedHat outside the working time no activity. We have an ambassador who never set his foot out of the office ecept travelling to some FUDCons
 

There needs to be something we can do to count that we are working. And here I have to talk about "us", because I consider myself still an Ambassador, my work is mostly off-line as ambassador: my region drops meetings, my region ML it's practically inactive; I have no practical ways to log or register work as ambassador. Maybe, and just maybe issues requesting funding, but as some of you highlight here, not all the activity requires funding.

but you see yourself that this 3 things cant be measurement

Maybe, I think we can register all activity in a Pagure repo, as an issue, that can be opened when the activity is planned and closed when is complete, even if that activity doesn't require funding. That's an idea, and I will love to hear yours. Not discussions about "you did, I did, you didn't, I didn't"; just ideas on how we can measure an ambassador activity.

hell no, there are other ways but this can only put in place if the other problem is addressed first

I agreed that you can't register or log every call, every meeting, every email you sent to host, create, organize or participate in an event, but the event itself need to be logged.

 


I hope we can redirect this email to the right way.

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