All the FOSS community have a very BIG problem. We develope software
thinking about what WE WANT from an Operating System and not what
the People NEED to use. That´s why Linux doesnt grow on desktop
acceptance for example.
So I am disagree with some things I will put all the quotes and my opinion.
On 2/21/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
We have to tell Linux users we (Fedora) have the BEST technical
support, besides talking we must act too of course.
- Exactly, we have the best support but PEOPLE DOESNT KNOW IT. We are not intuitive for
Support! If some one needs
support for Fedora in Wiki, they mus to learn to use the wiki first to make a consult.
Like ambassador responsability
could be usefull a direct chat via web available for countries for example. People needs
RIGHT NOW support. IRC channels
has too much Benevolent Despotism, and no too much kind to support ¨not open source
I actually like Anaconda. It's easy to use.
- yes, but doesnt have minimal functions like resize partitions in a
easy way. A windows users need to make space for their discs with another
tools. It is not necesary if we have a default resizing tool.
Enhacements are useful, but better usefull it they are includes.
Eurgh.. I hate SuSE's control panel...
- I hate it too, but dont think about you think about people.
I have to agree with that.. a one-disc install would be nice. I noticed
that Debian/Ubuntu gets packages from the internet - why can't Fedora?
(If people want the packages on CD, then I think the 4 CD pack/1 DVD is
still quite nice) - why can't we have both? Clair
- Sounds better.
We are unlikely to drop years of work wholesale. Lets be realistic about
things. What would be better is to use the anaconda mailing list and
bugzilla to discuss ideas for enhancements. The current plans are
available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AnacondaWorkItems
-Somebody ask for critics, everybody know the best place to discuss. I
give you my critics.
Try out system-config-control in Fedora Extras.
- PEOPLE need the things solve. People will have the time to discover
the imrpovements if we make more easy the startup...
System-config-network and Firestarter in Fedora Extras can be used for
Centralized! Centralized!. Just like Mandriva!!! Just like SuSE! Its not
an style concern, its a user aceptance business.
No Cuztomization of services,
, bad Network manager,
You will have to file bugs if you find anything bad. That would be a
good way to provide feedback to the developers on improving it
- Not talking about bugs, talking about non intuitive manner to
Pretty much all of the graphical tools within Fedora (system-config*,
pirut etc) are intended to provide
- SuSE and Mandriva are ¨sons¨of Red Hat. Why they are doing the things
better than this in this tips?. Red Hat is the Open Source Leader.
The Open Source Number One company. But certaing improvements are better
in other distributions. Ironic, too much ironic.
no integrated GUI Firewall (firestarter could be an option)
System-config-securitylevel which is also integrated within Anaconda
provides this functionality
Up2date? Yum extender? or KLIK!
Yes, we have klik a MacOS style installer. A synaptic like interface
with rpm packages is the best option. Yum extender even is not
official is worst than Synaptic.
Pup provides a updater and Pirut provides package management within
Fedora Core 5. If you would like to integrate Klik go right ahead.
-we have a missundertood here. I pacth myself my own fedora and my
customers machines. I am talking about usability for external users.
for official releases. Still i am working with goverment here and we are
making a Real Fedora Desktop and Server with all this tools, because
the official path doesnt have the intention to improve this. Integrate
means in this critic, INTEGRATE FOR EVERYONE. (think about people...)
Its not installed by default anymore from Fedora Core 5 and likely to be
dropped in Fedora Core 6.
A single CD can be used for a minimal installation. Only 2 CD's are
required for a desktop installation. Yum isnt as useful as ISO images in
many places. The longer team goal would be a effective reorganization of
the packages so that end users can mix and match any set of packages
while increasing the availability of packages within the ISO images.
- You know that it is possible to put one fully functional Linux in one
CD. Dont kid me please :-)
Bluecurve has not been the default theme for Gnome since Fedora Core 3.
Both KDE and GNOME is provided within Fedora Core and other desktop
environments within Fedora Extras.
- Think about people....dont think about you....
Non technical tips
When we make a critic is not possible to split the Fedora roadmap
around non technical issues. Strategy for US based countries
is not the option.
Not sure what you mean here. Red Hat and Fedora Foundation are US based
entities and increasingly a global presence. In every region Fedora is
being distributed the strategies will have to evolve around the local
laws and culture among other things.
- US to the world strategy will not work. Increasing global presence
doesnt guarranty the success. The dinamic of spread Fedora has too much
US style. And US style
will not work in nonUS countries. Its about philosophy. (its about the
incapability form US based projecto to not see the reality, the USbased
methods for spread Open Source doesnt work in other places...) Global
strategy for difussion is the key...
Non intuitive wiki,
What is non intuitive about http://fedoraproject.org/wiki?
- Think about a newcommer to Open Source and Fedora. Think about a
newcommer to Wiki technologies. Think about people. Moin Moin is for
Developers and Power Users to Developers and power users. If you have
policies to spread Fedora, a CMS with simple and direct information,
will be more simple to get Open Source ideas and resources. Make simple
to people. (Think about newcommer).
non subdomains for localized Fedora Community (fedoraproject.org/us
There are already several domains available. A partial list is available
. You can contact
Elliot Lee (sopwith At redhat.com
) for setting up other sites if you are
interested in that.
with a centralized CMS system, etc...
This is work in progress. Refer to
- I offer my help, but nobody answer my mails...:-8
No book of spread fedora, slides rules, motivation program for
. Ambassadors are largely
enthusiastic and self motivated people. We depend on ambassadors to
motivate others and get them interested and involved with Fedora.
- I read it. Too much complex, not good indexing. In spite of this next
march when fedora core argentina site will be available i will show what
i am talking about.
, tools for get
more people around FOSS.
Use Fedora. That is the biggest tool for you to get everyone with FOSS.
- Think in Free Software, Develope in Open Source world, Use GNU/Linux,
and Fedora will be the tool to spread the idea, the concept, the model
and the advantages.
Linux IS NOT a product. Is a process alive!
Anyway its good exchange opinions dont you think?
Think about people....we are not too much different that other
ones....we are not saviors...we are leaders....
Pablo Barrera Franco
Fedora Ambassador Argentina
IM : pablo.barrera(a)jabber.org
Cel : +54 11  6187 1603