11:33 a.m.
I just threw Paul Frields a curve ball earlier this evening and he wisely
pointed me to ask the list so everybody can refer to it back later. My
question is (more or less) like this, "Are we allowed to spend a portion of
our event budget on equipment?" I'm thinking to get our local group a cheap
inkjet printer to handle our desktop printing needs like sticker
labels/brochures/flyers/signages for an upcoming event - SFD2009[1].
Now what prompted me to pop the question?
- We were not able to get the services of a CD/DVD replicator because of
time and cost constraints. The genius in me decided to produce the
LiveCDs/DVDs on our own so we can have them ready before the event. The
blanks were quite inexpensive and we're left with some surplus on the
original item budget - around Php 3500 [2]. The production line consists of
my personal DVD-writer and my brother who volunteered.
- Looking at the blanks, I figured sticker labels will make them better
looking (though still not as professional as the ones made by replicating
services) and that we could also use some flyers/brochures/signages. We
actually have two options - (1) to get a printer do them for us or (2) to
do-it-on-our-own-way.
- For some stroke of luck, I don't own a printer and I'm a little bit
squeamish using our office printer for something like this. If a decision
for a printer purchase is reached for this event, I'll be its custodian
until someone can take over for me. This is an obvious conflict of interest
on my part so I posed the question to Paul (as Fedora Project Leader) and
ultimately to this list.
To add to the first question - has anybody been on the same situation I'm
now in? Any advice?
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SFD2009
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SFD2009#Event_Dashboard
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11:39 a.m.
We were not able to get the services of a CD/DVD replicator because
of time
and cost constraints. The genius in me decided to produce the LiveCDs/DVDs
on our own so we can have them ready before the event. The blanks were quite
inexpensive and we're left with some surplus on the original item budget -
around Php 3500 [2]. The production line consists of my personal DVD-writer
and my brother who volunteered.
Looking at the blanks, I figured sticker labels will make them better
looking (though still not as professional as the ones made by replicating
services) and that we could also use some flyers/brochures/signages. We
actually have two options - (1) to get a printer do them for us or (2) to
do-it-on-our-own-way.
For some stroke of luck, I don't own a printer and I'm a little bit
squeamish using our office printer for something like this. If a decision
for a printer purchase is reached for this event, I'll be its custodian
until someone can take over for me. This is an obvious conflict of interest
on my part so I posed the question to Paul (as Fedora Project Leader) and
ultimately to this list.
To add to the first question - has anybody been on the same situation I'm
now in? Any advice?
The brazilian guys have bought a CD/DVD burner (no idea how you call
it, it's a machine that can burn automatically thousands of CDs/DVDs
and even print the nice graphics on the top face).
So I'd say, yes, we're allowed, and yes, someone has already done it :)
But Rodrigo might provide better input on this.
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
11:41 a.m.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan
<herson(a)azneita.org> wrote:
I just threw Paul Frields a curve ball earlier this evening and he
wisely
pointed me to ask the list so everybody can refer to it back later. My
question is (more or less) like this, "Are we allowed to spend a portion of
our event budget on equipment?" I'm thinking to get our local group a cheap
inkjet printer to handle our desktop printing needs like sticker
labels/brochures/flyers/signages for an upcoming event - SFD2009[1].
Now what prompted me to pop the question?
We were not able to get the services of a CD/DVD replicator because of time
and cost constraints. The genius in me decided to produce the LiveCDs/DVDs
on our own so we can have them ready before the event. The blanks were quite
inexpensive and we're left with some surplus on the original item budget -
around Php 3500 [2]. The production line consists of my personal DVD-writer
and my brother who volunteered.
Looking at the blanks, I figured sticker labels will make them better
looking (though still not as professional as the ones made by replicating
services) and that we could also use some flyers/brochures/signages. We
actually have two options - (1) to get a printer do them for us or (2) to
do-it-on-our-own-way.
For some stroke of luck, I don't own a printer and I'm a little bit
squeamish using our office printer for something like this. If a decision
for a printer purchase is reached for this event, I'll be its custodian
until someone can take over for me. This is an obvious conflict of interest
on my part so I posed the question to Paul (as Fedora Project Leader) and
ultimately to this list.
To add to the first question - has anybody been on the same situation I'm
now in? Any advice?
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SFD2009
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SFD2009#Event_Dashboard
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We've funded media duplication hardware previously for LATAM.
I am a bit squeamish about inkjet printers, they tend to have a very
high consumables cost in the long term. I'd personally feel more
comfortable with a color laser printer, that's likely 2 or 3 times the
cost of an inkjet but provides better quality and better costs savings
long term.
What kind of volume do you anticipate pushing through this unit?? How
man CDs, stickers, etc? How large of an area are you willing to supply
stickers/media/etc for?
Write up a bit more detail including some of those things so that we
can better weigh it, though I don't have much of an objection in
principle.
11:56 a.m.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:41 AM, David Nalley <david(a)gnsa.us> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan
<herson(a)azneita.org> wrote:
> I just threw Paul Frields a curve ball earlier this evening and he wisely
> pointed me to ask the list so everybody can refer to it back later. My
> question is (more or less) like this, "Are we allowed to spend a portion
of
> our event budget on equipment?" I'm thinking to get our local group a
cheap
> inkjet printer to handle our desktop printing needs like sticker
> labels/brochures/flyers/signages for an upcoming event - SFD2009[1].
>
> Now what prompted me to pop the question?
>
> We were not able to get the services of a CD/DVD replicator because of
time
> and cost constraints. The genius in me decided to produce the
LiveCDs/DVDs
> on our own so we can have them ready before the event. The blanks were
quite
> inexpensive and we're left with some surplus on the original item budget
-
> around Php 3500 [2]. The production line consists of my personal
DVD-writer
> and my brother who volunteered.
> Looking at the blanks, I figured sticker labels will make them better
> looking (though still not as professional as the ones made by replicating
> services) and that we could also use some flyers/brochures/signages. We
> actually have two options - (1) to get a printer do them for us or (2) to
> do-it-on-our-own-way.
> For some stroke of luck, I don't own a printer and I'm a little bit
> squeamish using our office printer for something like this. If a decision
> for a printer purchase is reached for this event, I'll be its custodian
> until someone can take over for me. This is an obvious conflict of
interest
> on my part so I posed the question to Paul (as Fedora Project Leader) and
> ultimately to this list.
>
> To add to the first question - has anybody been on the same situation I'm
> now in? Any advice?
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SFD2009
> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SFD2009#Event_Dashboard
>
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We've funded media duplication hardware previously for LATAM.
I am a bit squeamish about inkjet printers, they tend to have a very
high consumables cost in the long term. I'd personally feel more
comfortable with a color laser printer, that's likely 2 or 3 times the
cost of an inkjet but provides better quality and better costs savings
long term.
Agree on all points. However, that would be a better project after the
event.
What kind of volume do you anticipate pushing through this unit?? How
man CDs, stickers, etc? How large of an area are you willing to supply
stickers/media/etc for?
As you mentioned above, I won't get too far with the unit. I just want to
use it for local events and such. If you're thinking along the lines of
LiveCD/DVD mass production for regional distribution, you're way ahead of
where I am at right now. I'll prefer using professional services for that
much :D
Write up a bit more detail including some of those things so that we
can better weigh it, though I don't have much of an objection in
principle.
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11:49 a.m.
2009/9/16 Heherson Pagcaliwagan <herson(a)azneita.org>:
To add to the first question - has anybody been on the same situation
I'm
now in? Any advice?
You sincerity over this topic answer for itself :)
If you respect the destination of the printer, there won't be
problems. This isn't the first case that someone is responsible for a
"shared" tool for Fedora: it happened with OLPCs, with CD burned (as
Mathieu suggested), so you aren't doing something against morality.
Naturally, as something owned by the community, you should be able to
make it available to all the members that want to use it for Fedora
activity, but I'm sure you just now this.
For the printest, following David's questions, is this something that
APAC has just decided to buy or it's just aproposal?
Thank you to have shared with the whole community your doubts and ideas!
Regards
Francesco
11:54 a.m.
For the printest, following David's questions, is this something
that
APAC has just decided to buy or it's just aproposal?
Just a proposal I guess.
But if funds are available, it would be nice to have the dvd duplicator,.
Just a question, Heherson, how many countries will it be able to serve? ph and?
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12:01 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:54 AM, susmit shannigrahi <
thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> For the printest, following David's questions, is this
something that
> APAC has just decided to buy or it's just aproposal?
Just a proposal I guess.
But if funds are available, it would be nice to have the dvd duplicator,.
I agree on the duplicator Susmit but I only have a surplus for ~$73. It will
only fit for a lowly inkjet printer :D
A DVD duplicator for APAC would be sweet but that's stuff we could probably
tackle this Sunday's meeting :D
Just a question, Heherson, how many countries will it be able to
serve? ph
and?
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12:21 p.m.
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote:
question is (more or less) like this, "Are we allowed to spend a
portion of our event budget on equipment?" I'm thinking to get our
local group a cheap inkjet printer to handle our desktop printing
needs like sticker labels/brochures/flyers/signages for an upcoming
event - SFD2009[1].
As people have already pointed out, we have a precedent for spending
event budget on equipment when necessary, especially if that equipment
will be re-usable at other events (like the duplicator we bought for
LATAM).
As long as people are being transparent, and checking when they have
questions (like you did), I see no problem with it.
In the specific case, given that your event is (a) next week and (b) the
event budget really wasn't very much, I see no problem with doing what
needs to be done in order for you to make your event successful.
I think you deserve a ton of credit for bringing the question up,
because it shows that you are a thoughtful and considerate guy.
Many thanks,
Max
2:54 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:21:50PM -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote:
> question is (more or less) like this, "Are we allowed to spend a
> portion of our event budget on equipment?" I'm thinking to get our
> local group a cheap inkjet printer to handle our desktop printing
> needs like sticker labels/brochures/flyers/signages for an upcoming
> event - SFD2009[1].
As people have already pointed out, we have a precedent for spending
event budget on equipment when necessary, especially if that equipment
will be re-usable at other events (like the duplicator we bought for
LATAM).
As long as people are being transparent, and checking when they have
questions (like you did), I see no problem with it.
In the specific case, given that your event is (a) next week and (b) the
event budget really wasn't very much, I see no problem with doing what
needs to be done in order for you to make your event successful.
I think you deserve a ton of credit for bringing the question up,
because it shows that you are a thoughtful and considerate guy.
I agree on all points. I figured this was worthwhile to have
documented, and maybe someone will be so kind as to find the right
place in the Ambassadors or Events area on the wiki to make it more
visibly.
The point of event funding is always to grow Fedora awareness and
hopefully community as a result. If an inkjet printer is required,
and helps an Ambassador achieve goals beyond just the one event, it
should be fine as long as that purchase is disclosed transparently.
Heherson, thanks for bringing this here so promptly! I think I'll
chalk that decision in my "WIN" column for today... :-)
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