Applying to be a mentor

[Truong Anh Tuan]

Hi ambassador fellows,
Cc: FAmSCo and existing mentors,

I am currently supporting some people around me contribute to Fedora.
I would like to support them to be Fedora Ambassadors.

As I know, new Fedora Ambassador should have a mentor. I believe that
I am a good mentor for them. However I need to get approval to be an
"official" mentor before (a chicken/egg situation)

I would like to apply to be a mentor.
After looking around, I know that I need to be nominated by existing
mentors then approved by FAmSCo. Is that right?

I also applying to join into the Mentor group as described on wiki [1].
Which other things I need to be done more?

Thanks for your attention.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors/NewMentors

Kind regards, 
Tuan

[inode0]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Truong Anh. Tuan
<tuanta(a)iwayvietnam.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi ambassador fellows,
>  Cc: FAmSCo and existing mentors,
>
>  I am currently supporting some people around me contribute to Fedora.
>  I would like to support them to be Fedora Ambassadors.
>
>  As I know, new Fedora Ambassador should have a mentor. I believe that
>  I am a good mentor for them. However I need to get approval to be an
>  "official" mentor before (a chicken/egg situation)
>
>  I would like to apply to be a mentor.
>  After looking around, I know that I need to be nominated by existing
>  mentors then approved by FAmSCo. Is that right? 
Yes, there is no application process to become an ambassador mentor.
People become ambassador mentors by doing good relevant work in the
ambassador program and when needs for additional mentors in regions
become known existing mentors recommend the additional of new mentors
and FAmSCo considers approving those nominated.

I'm a bit confused because I already see your name on the ambassador
mentor list. Have you not been approved already?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor

>  I also applying to join into the Mentor group as described on wiki
> [1].
>  Which other things I need to be done more? 
Generally you just need to wait until you are asked to help.

John

[Truong Anh Tuan]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "inode0" <inode0(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:15:08 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Applying to be a mentor
>  
>  On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Truong Anh. Tuan
>  <tuanta(a)iwayvietnam.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi ambassador fellows,
>  > Cc: FAmSCo and existing mentors,
>  >
>  > I am currently supporting some people around me contribute to Fedora.
>  > I would like to support them to be Fedora Ambassadors.
>  >
>  > As I know, new Fedora Ambassador should have a mentor. I believe that
>  > I am a good mentor for them. However I need to get approval to be an
>  > "official" mentor before (a chicken/egg situation)
>  >
>  > I would like to apply to be a mentor.
>  > After looking around, I know that I need to be nominated by existing
>  > mentors then approved by FAmSCo. Is that right?
>  
>  Yes, there is no application process to become an ambassador mentor.
>  People become ambassador mentors by doing good relevant work in the
>  ambassador program 
Thanks John for your response.

I do believe that's something I have done. A lot of ambassadors in APAC
know me.

>  and when needs for additional mentors in regions
>  become known existing mentors recommend the additional of new mentors 
I think this has been done. At least, Heherson Pagcaliwagan (also an
existing mentor) said that in bi-weekly APAC ambassadors meeting [1]
yesterday.
What should he/she/they do to nominate a new mentor?

I believe that I can support Vietnamese better to help them go on board
with us, to be Fedora contributors. I also think I can support others
(non-Vietnamese) well with my experience.

>  and FAmSCo considers approving those nominated. 
I hope that.

>  I'm a bit confused because I already see your name on the
> ambassador
>  mentor list. Have you not been approved already?
>  
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor 
That I have added myself to the list. It's a step I see in NewMentors
wiki page [2]. Is that correct?

>  > I also applying to join into the Mentor group as described on
> wiki
>  > [1].
>  > Which other things I need to be done more?
>  
>  Generally you just need to wait until you are asked to help. 
Thanks, I will start with the first request from a Vietnamese FOSS
activist who would like to join with us.

[1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-24/apac.2011-12-2...
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors/NewMentors

Kind regards, 
Tuan

[inode0]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Truong Anh. Tuan
<tuanta(a)iwayvietnam.com&gt; wrote:
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "inode0" <inode0(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > To: ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:15:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Applying to be a mentor
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Truong Anh. Tuan
> > <tuanta(a)iwayvietnam.com&gt; wrote:
> > > Hi ambassador fellows,
> > > Cc: FAmSCo and existing mentors,
> > >
> > > I am currently supporting some people around me contribute to Fedora.
> > > I would like to support them to be Fedora Ambassadors.
> > >
> > > As I know, new Fedora Ambassador should have a mentor. I believe that
> > > I am a good mentor for them. However I need to get approval to be an
> > > "official" mentor before (a chicken/egg situation)
> > >
> > > I would like to apply to be a mentor.
> > > After looking around, I know that I need to be nominated by existing
> > > mentors then approved by FAmSCo. Is that right?
> >
> > Yes, there is no application process to become an ambassador mentor.
> > People become ambassador mentors by doing good relevant work in the
> > ambassador program
>
>  Thanks John for your response.
>
>  I do believe that's something I have done. A lot of ambassadors in APAC
>  know me. 
I believe you have and so have a lot of other people but unless there
is a specific regional need we don't really want everyone who might be
qualified to be a mentor to be listed as one. That isn't a comment by
me that I don't want you or any other specific person to be a mentor.
FAmSCo needs to identify regions where there are more applications for
the ambassador group than can be reasonably handled by existing
mentors and add new mentors as needed in those cases.

> > and when needs for additional mentors in regions
> > become known existing mentors recommend the additional of new mentors
>
>  I think this has been done. At least, Heherson Pagcaliwagan (also an
>  existing mentor) said that in bi-weekly APAC ambassadors meeting [1]
>  yesterday.
>  What should he/she/they do to nominate a new mentor? 
Current mentors can nominate people they believe qualified to fill a
need directly with FAmSCo. Either open a ticket or send a FAmSCo
member an email. Just let FAmSCo know there is a need to be filled and
a person they think will do a great job filling it.

>  I believe that I can support Vietnamese better to help them go on
> board
>  with us, to be Fedora contributors. I also think I can support others
>  (non-Vietnamese) well with my experience. 
Let's leave this to be discussed and considered by FAmSCo after a
nomination to them happens. The ambassador list isn't the right place
to discuss the merits of particular ambassadors becoming mentors as we
might easily be overrun with such lobbying and we don't really want to
handle these in such a public place. There have been occasions where
folks nominated to be mentors have been rejected for various reasons
(lack of a need might be one reason but being told no can be
embarrassing if done on a public list and it really shouldn't be
embarrassing because it can happen without it being anything bad about
the nominee).

> > and FAmSCo considers approving those nominated.
>
>  I hope that.
>
> > I'm a bit confused because I already see your name on the ambassador
> > mentor list. Have you not been approved already?
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor
>
>  That I have added myself to the list. It's a step I see in NewMentors
>  wiki page [2]. Is that correct? 
No, you will be added to that page if and when you are approved.
People joining the ambassador group use that page to pick a mentor so
the people listed there should already be approved mentors.

> > > I also applying to join into the Mentor group as described
> on wiki
> > > [1].
> > > Which other things I need to be done more?
> >
> > Generally you just need to wait until you are asked to help.
>
>  Thanks, I will start with the first request from a Vietnamese FOSS
>  activist who would like to join with us. 
You may have misunderstood me because I wasn't clear here. I meant
generally you need to wait until asked to help by FAmSCo.

>  [1]
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-24/apac.2011-12-2...
>  [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors/NewMentors 
John

[Truong Anh Tuan]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "inode0" <inode0(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:04:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Applying to be a mentor
>  
>  Let's leave this to be discussed and considered by FAmSCo after a
>  nomination to them happens. The ambassador list isn't the right place
>  to discuss the merits of particular ambassadors becoming mentors as we
>  might easily be overrun with such lobbying and we don't really want to
>  handle these in such a public place. There have been occasions where
>  folks nominated to be mentors have been rejected for various reasons
>  (lack of a need might be one reason but being told no can be
>  embarrassing if done on a public list and it really shouldn't be
>  embarrassing because it can happen without it being anything bad about
>  the nominee). 
Thanks John for all your comments.
Anyway, I will wait for response from FAmSCo.

Kind regards, 
Tuan

[Joerg Simon]

Hi Truong,

On 24.12.2011 07:19, Truong Anh. Tuan wrote:
>  As I know, new Fedora Ambassador should have a mentor. I believe
> that
>  I am a good mentor for them. However I need to get approval to be an
>  "official" mentor before (a chicken/egg situation) 
Truong you are indeed a valued Ambassador and a you can be - right at
this moment - a great mentor. As i wrote so many times before, nobody
who is already a Ambassador and is gone through mentoring himself, needs
to become a "official mentor" i expect that we all try to be good mentors.
One purpose of the Ambassadors Program is to mentor people into the
Fedora Project - into all areas, not preferred Ambassadors only.

As a Ambassador you are already a official spokesperson for the Fedora
Project - just learn to use that power.

I ask myself if it was right to initiate the mentors program.
Imagine if we had a mentor for every country -
<irony> why not make them the fedora project country leaders in the next
step and then the next level would be the mentors steering commitee? Or
let´s abandon Ambassadors and start all new and let us all call mentors
...</irony>

I always believed and i am pretty sure about that the Ambassadors are
more than just "marketing-helpers" - let´s remember the first phrases of
the join process http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start

I do not see the listed mentors as a large scaled group, they are
primarily helpers for regions where Ambassadors are not visible enough
to help and for people who have not a single person or connection into
the Fedora Project and want a start. I do not have the impression the
the APAC mentors are overworked with candidates and as long they do not
request reinforcement i do not see a reason to list more.

cu Joerg



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