Re: [Ambassadors] Formal request for approval of the multi-desktop DVD (Re: Board meeting recap, 2010 10-18)

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 10:22 -0400 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
>  On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:03 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  > > Some questions with my UX designer cap on:
>  
>  There are a lot of questions I asked that you haven't answered.  
I'm sorry, I was on the train and I had to leave, therefor I finished
the mail after your first question. I felt I had answered them all,
because most of your questions were based on the false assumption that
dual layer was dual sided. 

Anyway, for the record here is the rest:

>  - For the dual layer, how do you intend to help users understand
> which
>  side is which? (I'm guessing one side of the dual-layer is 32-bit, the
>  other 64-bit?) 
Dual layer is not dual sided. It's like any other media we distribute.

>  - Does the manufacturer have a way of labeling the full center
> plastic
>  ring or is it only just a narrow strip as with the SUSE discs? 
Dual layer is not dual sided. One side will be labeled full.

>  - If only a thin plastic ring is available, do you have any idea
> from
>  the manufacturer on the character length limits of the label and a
>  draft of what you would have it say for each side? How about character
>  length limits for a wider center label? 
Dual layer is not dual sided. It's like any other media we distribute.

>  - Are these going to be provided in a printed sleeve? If so, do you
>  have any mockups/designs/copy for the sleeve? 
If we get the approval, we can do this within an hour. Remember, we
already had to do it for the Xfce and LXDE spins as the design team did
not help us.

>  - What style sleeve - cardboard pocket or one with a plastic ring? 
Cardboard pocket. Like any other media we distribute.

>  It seems since it would be printed dual-layer, it would be difficult
>  to
>  provide a good label for the disc making the sleeve design even more
>  critical for identifying the disc and instructing users on how to use
>  it.  
Dual layer is not dual sided. It's like any other media we distribute.

>  I was
>  wondering if you could look them over and let me know. Thanks. 
There are also a lot of questions from me to you or the board meanwhile.
Can you look over them? And another one is still to come: If you have so
many questions and concerns, why didn't you speak up during the board
meeting? (This goes for other board members too of course)

As I already said to Jesse: It seems the board is setting way higher
standards for testing or QA and has way more concerns for artwork or
infrastructure than for any other spin that was ever approved. To me and
many other ambassadors this looks as if the board is trying to
anticipate our volunteer work.

Regards,
Christoph

Formal request for approval of the multi-desktop DVD (Re: Board meeting recap, 2010 10-18)

[Chris Tyler]

On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 15:12 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  As I already said to Jesse: It seems the board is setting way higher
>  standards for testing or QA and has way more concerns for artwork or
>  infrastructure than for any other spin that was ever approved. To me and
>  many other ambassadors this looks as if the board is trying to
>  anticipate our volunteer work. 
Hi Christoph,

Just to be clear: the board was very positive about this work -- it's a
great idea.

It seems a bit rushed to me, though, to be at this point just a few
weeks before the F14 release, especially since this disc is going to be
the first contact with Fedora for many users. I would be way more
comfortable if we did this in the F15 timeframe so we could do thorough
and widespread testing, look-and-feel integration, and so forth.

-Chris

Formal request for approval of the multi-desktop DVD (Re: Board meeting recap, 2010 10-18)

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Christoph,

On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 15:12 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 10:22 -0400 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
>  > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:03 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  > > > Some questions with my UX designer cap on:
>  > 
>  > There are a lot of questions I asked that you haven't answered. 
>  
>  I'm sorry, I was on the train and I had to leave, therefor I finished
>  the mail after your first question. I felt I had answered them all,
>  because most of your questions were based on the false assumption that
>  dual layer was dual sided.  
There's a few questions you missed. See below.

Thanks,
~m


>  
>  I have a few concerns about the design of this menu:
>  
>  - Does every item need to mention Fedora 13?
>  - Can the entire disk be verified with a single menu item? 
>  - Could the names for each of the desktop items be a bit more 
>    friendly and readable? 
>  
>  E.g., rather than this, which I think is a little overwhelming to
>  read:
>  
>  * Fedora-13-i686-Live
>  * Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live
>  * Fedora-13-i686-Live-KDE
>  * Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live-KDE
>  * Fedora-13-i686-Live-LXDE
>  * Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live-LXDE
>  * Fedora-13-i686-Live-XFCE
>  * Verify and Boot Fedora-13-i686-Live-XFCE
>  
>  Could it maybe instead read like this, which I think is a bit more
>  approachable:
>  
>  * Boot Fedora Live
>  * Boot Fedora Live KDE
>  * Boot Fedora Live LXDE
>  * Boot Fedora Live XFCE
>  * Verify media
>