Fedora 14 Schedule

[John Poelstra]

Hello Ambassadors,

A month ago [1] received a request to add certain schedule items to a 
schedule for the Ambassadors.  I've sent several queries to this list 
requesting more details so that I can build that schedule, but have been 
consistently told that "more information is being collected."

I need to know if you are serious about doing this for Fedora 14 or if I 
should drop this item from my todo list.  If I do not receive any 
details by the end of this week I will assume these schedule items are 
no longer needed.

John

[1] 
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-May/014478.html

[Joerg Simon]

Am 23.06.2010 14:40, schrieb John Poelstra:
>  I need to know if you are serious about doing this for Fedora 14 or
> if I 
>  should drop this item from my todo list.  
thanks John for the reminder -

we have this as a "current task" at our FAmSCo Agenda and already have
Feedback from NA Ambassdors here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#Current_action_items

for EMEA we have this as a Topic for the Ambassadors Meeting today
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2010-06-23#Agenda

We will collect the APAC and LATAM to provide you a final answer on
Monday 2010-06-28 20:00 UTC after the next FAmSCo Meeting if this is ok
for you and if you are able to give us this 3 days longer.


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[John Poelstra]

Joerg Simon said the following on 06/23/2010 05:57 AM Pacific Time:
>  Am 23.06.2010 14:40, schrieb John Poelstra:
> > I need to know if you are serious about doing this for Fedora 14 or if I
> > should drop this item from my todo list.
>
>  thanks John for the reminder -
>
>  we have this as a "current task" at our FAmSCo Agenda and already have
>  Feedback from NA Ambassdors here:
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#Current_action_items
>
>  for EMEA we have this as a Topic for the Ambassadors Meeting today
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2010-06-23#Agenda
>
>  We will collect the APAC and LATAM to provide you a final answer on
>  Monday 2010-06-28 20:00 UTC after the next FAmSCo Meeting if this is ok
>  for you and if you are able to give us this 3 days longer.
>
>
>  cu Joerg 
Okay.  Sounds good.

John

[susmit shannigrahi]

Hi,


Here we go: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule

This is no way final, suggestions are welcome. If you want to add
something, please do.
Also, discuss this regionally.

John, do you want it in some defined format? If yes, please let me
know about it.

Thanks.

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[María Leandro]

Hello!

I add a translation step for all the doc and artwork, so everyone can have
the info in their own language and spread a little better. Maybe is not a
such important step, but I think is needed.

See ya

2010/6/24 susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  Hi,
>
>
>  Here we go: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
>
>  This is no way final, suggestions are welcome. If you want to add
>  something, please do.
>  Also, discuss this regionally.
>
>  John, do you want it in some defined format? If yes, please let me
>  know about it.
>
>  Thanks.
>
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>  Regards,
>  Susmit.
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[Robyn Bergeron]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:33 PM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>
>  Here we go: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
>
>  This is no way final, suggestions are welcome. If you want to add
>  something, please do.
>  Also, discuss this regionally.
>
>  John, do you want it in some defined format? If yes, please let me
>  know about it.
>  
I've added the previously mentioned item that NA Ambassadors wanted
(line item for selecting a spin).  However, under the deadline column,
rather than using a deadline I noted a dependency for where it would
start (in this case, 1 week after spins freeze).

I don't have a solution off the top of my head - but some of the other
scheduled items listed here are pretty vague.  Just from Marketing's
history with the schedule and trying to get things done by using it -
when you have tasks that are things like, "Work with $othergroup," it
usually winds up that nobody does anything.  If we have any idea what
we want to do more specific to those tasks - whether it is "famsco
send mail to all ambassadors reminding / encouraging to participate in
Talking Points selection process" or "File ticket with design
requesting availability of media / sticker artwork" - that is what we
should write down.  I think it would be a good idea to figure out more
concretely what we're looking to have done here.

Also - for the items of "Work with design for making the media/sticker
artwork available," "Work with docs to get notes/handouts prepared, if
required for events," and "Work with translate team to have docs in
every language" - the Deadline needs more details. Is this two weeks
after something else, 3 weeks before release, ??

-Robyn

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 08:15:33AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>  On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:33 PM, susmit shannigrahi
>  <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  >
>  > Here we go: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
>  >
>  > This is no way final, suggestions are welcome. If you want to add
>  > something, please do.
>  > Also, discuss this regionally.
>  >
>  > John, do you want it in some defined format? If yes, please let me
>  > know about it.
>  >
>  I've added the previously mentioned item that NA Ambassadors wanted
>  (line item for selecting a spin).  However, under the deadline column,
>  rather than using a deadline I noted a dependency for where it would
>  start (in this case, 1 week after spins freeze).
>  
>  I don't have a solution off the top of my head - but some of the other
>  scheduled items listed here are pretty vague.  Just from Marketing's
>  history with the schedule and trying to get things done by using it -
>  when you have tasks that are things like, "Work with $othergroup," it
>  usually winds up that nobody does anything.  If we have any idea what
>  we want to do more specific to those tasks - whether it is "famsco
>  send mail to all ambassadors reminding / encouraging to participate in
>  Talking Points selection process" or "File ticket with design
>  requesting availability of media / sticker artwork" - that is what we
>  should write down.  I think it would be a good idea to figure out more
>  concretely what we're looking to have done here.
>  
>  Also - for the items of "Work with design for making the media/sticker
>  artwork available," "Work with docs to get notes/handouts prepared, if
>  required for events," and "Work with translate team to have docs in
>  every language" - the Deadline needs more details. Is this two weeks
>  after something else, 3 weeks before release, ?? 
Really excellent feedback here, Robyn.  Obviously based on experience
with the Marketing schedule! :-) The Docs team has run into similar
issues in schedules from many releases ago, although we've now
iterated often enough to get rid of most of those issues.

The more specific the tasks are, as Robyn notes above, the more likely
they can be easily handled by an interested contributor.  The more
vague they are, the harder it is to figure them out or assign them to
anyone to get done.

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[John Poelstra]

susmit shannigrahi said the following on 06/23/2010 10:33 PM Pacific Time:
>  Hi,
>
>
>  Here we go: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
>
>  This is no way final, suggestions are welcome. If you want to add
>  something, please do.
>  Also, discuss this regionally.
>
>  John, do you want it in some defined format? If yes, please let me
>  know about it.
>
>  Thanks.
>  
It's a good start.  To create a well defined schedule we need:

a) Task name
b) Start date (end date not needed as it is automatically calculated)
c) End date (diff between start and end is how much time the task 
takes--do not assume Sat/Sun as work days)
d) Dependency on other tasks (tasks that must be completed before this 
task can start)

I added an example at: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule#John.27s_Example

For tasks that are already on another team's schedule (e.g. Marketing), 
I can flag the task as being an Ambassador responsibility and it will 
show up on your schedule too.  Include it in the detail for now and note 
that.

John

[susmit shannigrahi]

>  I added an example at:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule#John.27s_Example
>  

I have updated it for now. We will discuss and come up with the final
schedule on 28th as mentioned by Kital.

Feedbacks and ideas are welcome.
Thanks.


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