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[Hornain Frederic]

Dear Rahul,

>  It would be helpful if you can detail your ideas behind using Fedora
> for schools. 
Indeed, the next generation of users, managers and so on... are currently at school and
they will be the ones who will take the decisions in the futur. Agree ?
However, nearly all of them are using MS Windows for the moment. :(
Ok, I can admit more and more students are using Linux -I am glad ! :) - but the majority
of these ones unfortunatly are still running  proprietary OS. 
Although it is maybe not the same case in all countries, in France and Belgium it is more
and less like that.
Not due to students but mainly due to Edcuation choice, teachers knowledges or
preferences, current technologies used in companies, so on so for.... 

So I am convinced we should invest in schools. 
Because, if we can help students, teachers, and educational organistation to work actively
with Linux and not only install it  in order to know how it looks like. I pretty sure that
we would manage the revolution cause if they have used it during their student life it
could be their choice during their active life.

Ok, I agree. It will not be so easy than that cause when you begin your active life, you
are not often directly an (IT) manager or the boss. 
But if you are more than one who know linux in your first company I am sure you can
influence the future choice of your manager. 
Anyway, it is better than nothing.
In addition, there is more chance to use linux in their futur company if someone of the
team know how to use it.

The ideas behind using Fedora for schools is to create a linux group of students, teachers
in each school who interact with the fedora communauty and will learn the benefit of using
open source instead of using proprietary systems.

> Is there any preconfigured setup or kickstart profiles?.  
Well,
I think that we have to start with computers University students.

> What are the current experiences and potential for improvements?
In the next few day, I will  create a wiki page for that.

BTW, sorry for the quick explanation.
Hoping that is clear.
Anyway ,if you have any question, suggestions, or other, feel free to contact me 

Best Regards
Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahul Sundaram [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:42 AM
To: Hornain Frederic
Cc: Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Info


Hornain Frederic wrote:

> Dear *,
>
> Firstly, I would like to wish you an happy new years 2006.
> Secondly, I would like to thank the marketing team for the DVDs I have requested.
> Thirdly, I am still working with schools in order to help them to use it.
>
> If you have any remarks, feel free to contact me.
> BR
> Fred
>  
It would be helpful if you can detail your ideas behind using Fedora for 
schools. 
Is there any preconfigured setup or kickstart profiles?. 
What are the current experiences and potential for improvements?

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hornain Frederic wrote:

> Dear Rahul,
>
>   
>
> >It would be helpful if you can detail your ideas behind using Fedora for schools.
> >    
> >
>
> Indeed, the next generation of users, managers and so on... are currently at school and
> they will be the ones who will take the decisions in the futur. Agree ?
>   
>  
Right.

> However, nearly all of them are using MS Windows for the moment. :(
>   
>  
Not a coincidence. This is the result of targeted marketing to the 
education sector.

> Ok, I can admit more and more students are using Linux -I am glad ! :)
> - but the majority of these ones unfortunatly are still running  proprietary OS. 
> Although it is maybe not the same case in all countries, in France and Belgium it is more
> and less like that.
> Not due to students but mainly due to Edcuation choice, teachers knowledges or
> preferences, current technologies used in companies, so on so for....
>  
What are the primary blockers?. Is it the syllabus, awareness or 
perception of unsuitability, combination of these?

For the national level syllabus in India (CBSE) , Red Hat advocated and 
got some success is getting the government to adopt a vendor neutral 
syllabus recently. This in general paves way for the schools now to 
adopt open source and Linux solutions where appropriate.

http://lists.wikicities.com/pipermail/fci-l/2006-January/000051.html.

I am sure similar efforts can be done for other regions too if not 
already. This might be one of the key areas where better advocacy 
targeting the top level decision makers is required. A grassroots 
approach tends to fail. Students in general have no say in what the 
College/School administration decides. Even if they personally choose 
Linux, it might not impact their career as long as the education is 
rooted in learning proprietary products instead of underlying concepts.

>  
>
> So I am convinced we should invest in schools. 
> Because, if we can help students, teachers, and educational organistation to work actively
> with Linux and not only install it  in order to know how it looks like. I pretty sure that
> we would manage the revolution cause if they have used it during their student life it
> could be their choice during their active life.
>
> Ok, I agree. It will not be so easy than that cause when you begin your active life, you
> are not often directly an (IT) manager or the boss. 
> But if you are more than one who know linux in your first company I am sure you can
> influence the future choice of your manager. 
> Anyway, it is better than nothing.
> In addition, there is more chance to use linux in their futur company if someone of the
> team know how to use it.
>
> The ideas behind using Fedora for schools is to create a linux group of students, teachers
> in each school who interact with the fedora communauty and will learn the benefit of using
> open source instead of using proprietary systems.
>   
>  
That we should invest is obvious. The harder part is deciding to invest 
where it makes a high impact. This is where local ambassadors who better 
understand the regional culture and requirements better can make a big 
difference. That means all of the Fedora ambassadors here have to step 
up to the needful.

> >Is there any preconfigured setup or kickstart profiles?. 
> >    
> >
> Well, I think that we have to start with computers University students.
>
>   
>  
We need to come up with more detailed plans and measurable milestones 
for that.

> >What are the current experiences and potential for improvements?
> >    
> >
> In the next few day, I will  create a wiki page for that.
>  
Yes. That would be nice.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers

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[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

>  I am sure similar efforts can be done for other regions too if not 
>  already. This might be one of the key areas where better advocacy 
>  targeting the top level decision makers is required. A grassroots 
>  approach tends to fail. Students in general have no say in what the 
>  College/School administration decides. Even if they personally choose 
>  Linux, it might not impact their career as long as the education is 
>  rooted in learning proprietary products instead of underlying concepts. 
+1

>  That we should invest is obvious. The harder part is deciding to
> invest 
>  where it makes a high impact. This is where local ambassadors who better 
>  understand the regional culture and requirements better can make a big 
>  difference. That means all of the Fedora ambassadors here have to step 
>  up to the needful. 
+1

"Linux in education" is a great idea in theory.  In practice, it's an 
*extremely* political exercise.

Still, all ideas are better than no ideas.

--g

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