Dear all,
A workshop on open source is going to be organised with focus on Introduction to UNIX culture and GNU/Linux technologies. There will be two parallel sessions on GNU/Linux and Web technologies.
So the venue for Open Source Software Workshop is MIT, Meerut on Saturday, 27-03-2010. Fedora media will be distributed for the session.
Best regards,
Dear all,
A workshop on open source is going to be organised with focus on Introduction to UNIX culture and GNU/Linux technologies. There will be two parallel sessions on GNU/Linux and Web technologies.
So the venue for Open Source Software Workshop is MIT, Meerut on Saturday, 27-03-2010. Fedora media will be distributed for the session.
Best regards,
anybody holding similar sessions in Bangalore please. regards ranjan
2010/3/19 Ravi D. Sharma rdsharma4u@gmail.com
Dear all,
A workshop on open source is going to be organised with focus on Introduction to UNIX culture and GNU/Linux technologies. There will be two parallel sessions on GNU/Linux and Web technologies.
So the venue for Open Source Software Workshop is MIT, Meerut on Saturday, 27-03-2010. Fedora media will be distributed for the session.
Best regards,
R.D. Sharma
Lecturer, Bioinformatics, Department of Microbiology C.C.S. University,Meerut,India
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On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 20:24 +0530, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
Dear all,
A workshop on open source is going to be organised with focus on Introduction to UNIX culture and GNU/Linux technologies. There will be two parallel sessions on GNU/Linux and Web technologies.
So the venue for Open Source Software Workshop is MIT, Meerut on Saturday, 27-03-2010. Fedora media will be distributed for the session.
Best regards,
R.D. Sharma
Lecturer, Bioinformatics, Department of Microbiology C.C.S. University,Meerut,India
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forwarding to fedora-india list.
2010/3/19 Ravi D. Sharma rdsharma4u@gmail.com:
A workshop on open source is going to be organised with focus on Introduction to UNIX culture and GNU/Linux technologies. There will be two parallel sessions on GNU/Linux and Web technologies.
So the venue for Open Source Software Workshop is MIT, Meerut on Saturday, 27-03-2010. Fedora media will be distributed for the session.
Good to have this. Please ensure that the Events page has a listing and, there is a blog/post to the mailing list post the events providing a summary of the event and, observations about what could be done to improve the next iteration.
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
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FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_tour
Looks very professional and useful. :)
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Sending positive Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 energy from my computer to yours. :v)
Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)
Thank You Sincerely =-=-=-=-= - David - =-=-=-=-= David Ramsey --------------------------------- 十人十色 じゅうにんといろ 10 people 10 colors Different strokes for different folks = Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey@fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 12 (Constantine) kernel - 2.6.32.10-88.fc12.i686.PAE * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13 (Goddard) kernel - 2.6.33.1-19.fc13.i686.PAE * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13 (Goddard) kernel - 2.6.33-1.fc13.i686.PAE With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of RAM and two SATA Seagate 7200.12 500 GB harddisks. =
(2010年03月23日 17:33), David Ramsey wrote:
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FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_tour
Looks very professional and useful. :)
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This looks like a complement, but also looks like a spam mail. Hehe.
It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I strongly disagree with the image presented as it clear shows signs of "Ghetto culture". You shouldn't address an international community displaying such symbols. Every time that Communication hits International Communities or Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at cultural level.
Just my 2 cents...
nm
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 03:33 -0400, David Ramsey wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
=============================================
FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_tour
Looks very professional and useful. :)
=============================================
Sending positive Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 energy from my computer to yours. :v)
Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)
Thank You Sincerely =-=-=-=-=
- David -
=-=-=-=-= David Ramsey
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- Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 12 (Constantine) kernel - 2.6.32.10-88.fc12.i686.PAE
- Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13 (Goddard) kernel - 2.6.33.1-19.fc13.i686.PAE
- Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13
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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 18:14, Nelson Marques 07721@ipam.pt wrote:
It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I strongly disagree with the image presented as it clear shows signs of "Ghetto culture".
You mean 3 friends being happy to work together is a sign of « ghetto culture » ?
This photo shows nothing more than how great it is to be contributing to the Fedora Project, don't try to see anything more :)
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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Nelson Marques 07721@ipam.pt wrote:
It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I strongly disagree with the image presented as it clear shows signs of "Ghetto culture". You shouldn't address an international community displaying such symbols. Every time that Communication hits International Communities or Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at cultural level.
Just my 2 cents...
nm
I looked for the wiki and found that at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Can you elaborate? Seriuosly. Because as I am part of the international community, I am too far off to identify what you mean by Ghetto Culture in that picture. I really don't get your point, and I think is worth exploring. For me one thumb up is good. Extending thumb and little finger is a surfer sing, people have told me it means a wish for good waves to ride on.
Best regards
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 13:37 -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Nelson Marques 07721@ipam.pt wrote:
It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I strongly disagree with the image presented as it clear shows signs of "Ghetto culture". You shouldn't address an international community displaying such symbols. Every time that Communication hits International Communities or Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at cultural level.
Just my 2 cents...
nm
I looked for the wiki and found that at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Can you elaborate? Seriuosly. Because as I am part of the international community, I am too far off to identify what you mean by Ghetto Culture in that picture. I really don't get your point, and I think is worth exploring. For me one thumb up is good. Extending thumb and little finger is a surfer sing, people have told me it means a wish for good waves to ride on.
Best regards
I am not aware of this there someone from Hungary in this list, if so, could he please explain the meaning of "thumb's up" or "ok" or that gesture you do while hitch hiking? How is it interpreted in Hungary? For mainly the rest of the world it is seen as "OK", while there has a very different meaning. That is one example on things can go wrong.
On the Marketing Industry even the great companies fail many times on easy things, a couple of examples:
- Mazda MR2 > Say it in French. - Citroen Picasso > What does Picasso means in Brazil? - Nike tried to swap their logo to flames, what happened? How did the Mouslin communities interpreted it? - The problems with phonetics of Coca Cola in China?
What I pointed in the photo is the meaning of the gesture from the lad on the right side, often associated (many times) with rappers OG's (Original Gangsters). That title is only granted to people who have performed murderers/assassinations. Of course it has other meanings in other groups, usually minorities, like surfers, rockers, etc. Though this might be a polemical debate, and maybe some exaggerated fanaticism towards some cultural movements, it can still be interpreted in a very negative way.
-- my 2 cents that might not be relevant.
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:58 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
What I pointed in the photo is the meaning of the gesture from the lad on the right side, often associated (many times) with rappers OG's (Original Gangsters). That title is only granted to people who have performed murderers/assassinations. Of course it has other meanings in other groups, usually minorities, like surfers, rockers, etc. Though this might be a polemical debate, and maybe some exaggerated fanaticism towards some cultural movements, it can still be interpreted in a very negative way.
Isn't it the 'Index + little finger' ? In the picture the lad on the right side has his Thumb + little finger up, which to a french person refers more to the symbol of the telephone (As if he was asking the phone number of the photograph).
my 0.2 cents,
Pierre
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Pierre-Yves pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:58 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
What I pointed in the photo is the meaning of the gesture from the lad on the right side, often associated (many times) with rappers OG's (Original Gangsters). That title is only granted to people who have performed murderers/assassinations. Of course it has other meanings in other groups, usually minorities, like surfers, rockers, etc. Though this might be a polemical debate, and maybe some exaggerated fanaticism towards some cultural movements, it can still be interpreted in a very negative way.
Isn't it the 'Index + little finger' ? In the picture the lad on the right side has his Thumb + little finger up, which to a french person refers more to the symbol of the telephone (As if he was asking the phone number of the photograph).
my 0.2 cents,
Pierre
I can relate to gestures that Locally (in Nicaragua) can be rude but in other country (Brazil) can be a sing for good luck. Pierre is right "Call me" should be a more broad accepted interpretation. Then it may be also something with context. I think is good to be aware that differences do exits. This case I don't find particularly bad. But I should be considered to be wrong until proven otherwise.
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 14:21 -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
I think is good to be aware that differences do exits. This case I don't find particularly bad. But I should be considered to be wrong until proven otherwise.
I think there is a saying which should apply/be applied: 'Better safe than sorry'. Although, here I think it is not so much of an issue, we should be careful with what we publish (and I think the artwork list/people and the marketing people are very well aware of this).
Pierre
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 19:30 +0100, Pierre-Yves wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 14:21 -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
I think is good to be aware that differences do exits. This case I don't find particularly bad. But I should be considered to be wrong until proven otherwise.
I think there is a saying which should apply/be applied: 'Better safe than sorry'. Although, here I think it is not so much of an issue, we should be careful with what we publish (and I think the artwork list/people and the marketing people are very well aware of this).
The people in the Marketing list at least are aware of this. And when "rock it" was selected, I was one of the persons which pointed out the association of negative points, and that's why the Marketing List issued a special communication to artists and translators with a set of guidelines that would provide a background context for "rock it" to be used, to avoid rushing into wrong interpretations like "stonings" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning - Which is still a part of some local cultures worldwide, specially in the EMEA Zone (Middle East).
As a Marketing Professional, I should point this things out, if people follow or not, that's not my call.
nmarques
Pierre
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And since you also mentioned the Marketing Team, there's something I would like to point: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communication_matrix
From which I quote:
"Cultural differences (in case the plan is addressed to an international community; when addressing to minorities, this is also important)."
"Does the plan follow ethical principals and is socially responsible (from the scope of the communication campaign and through the product/service to promote)."
nmarques.
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 19:30 +0100, Pierre-Yves wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 14:21 -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
I think is good to be aware that differences do exits. This case I don't find particularly bad. But I should be considered to be wrong until proven otherwise.
I think there is a saying which should apply/be applied: 'Better safe than sorry'. Although, here I think it is not so much of an issue, we should be careful with what we publish (and I think the artwork list/people and the marketing people are very well aware of this).
Pierre
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On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 14:21 -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Pierre-Yves pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:58 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
What I pointed in the photo is the meaning of the gesture from the lad on the right side, often associated (many times) with rappers OG's (Original Gangsters). That title is only granted to people who have performed murderers/assassinations. Of course it has other meanings in other groups, usually minorities, like surfers, rockers, etc. Though this might be a polemical debate, and maybe some exaggerated fanaticism towards some cultural movements, it can still be interpreted in a very negative way.
Isn't it the 'Index + little finger' ? In the picture the lad on the right side has his Thumb + little finger up, which to a french person refers more to the symbol of the telephone (As if he was asking the phone number of the photograph).
my 0.2 cents,
Pierre
I can relate to gestures that Locally (in Nicaragua) can be rude but in other country (Brazil) can be a sing for good luck. Pierre is right "Call me" should be a more broad accepted interpretation. Then it may be also something with context. I think is good to be aware that differences do exits. This case I don't find particularly bad. But I should be considered to be wrong until proven otherwise.
That gesture as a name: "Horns High", and it's also known as:
* Devil's Horns. * Sign of the Horns. * Voor * Horned Hand * Hook n'Horns * Karnana Mudra
It's origins: Ancient Greece.
Aknowledged interpretations/usages:
* The sign of Voor @ Necronomicon * Satanic Salutes * Symbol of Infidelity in several cultures worldwide * Hinduism and Buddhism context: represents dispelling evil, a warding. * Plus many others depending on context and local interpretations.
It is a documented symbol. Search the internet, there's a whole load of symbol dictionaries / urban dictionaries, etc regarding this symbol. So it's pretty much easy to really get an accurate view of it's meanings.
I rest my case now. This is in the field of "behavior psychology" and "anthropology", in which my knowledge/resources are very limited.
nelson.
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Nelson Marques 07721@ipam.pt wrote:
That gesture as a name: "Horns High", and it's also known as:
- Devil's Horns.
- Sign of the Horns.
- Voor
- Horned Hand
- Hook n'Horns
- Karnana Mudra
It's origins: Ancient Greece.
Aknowledged interpretations/usages:
- The sign of Voor @ Necronomicon
- Satanic Salutes
- Symbol of Infidelity in several cultures worldwide
<snip>
It is this symbol that you refer as infidelity and satanic ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns
or is this other?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka_sign
The second is the one in the picture and the one that can be confused to "Call me"
Just to be clear
Pierre-Yves пишет:
In the picture the lad on the right side has his Thumb + little finger up, which to a french person refers more to the symbol of the telephone (As if he was asking the phone number of the photograph).
It's worth to understand that various gestures may have its own context. In Russia thumb+little finger up *close to a ear* will mean "call me", but the same at a lower level will mean invitation to drink, mostly alcohol. So I think the presence of this sign on release notes page is not appropriate.
Sergey neverho0d
Hi Nelson,
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:14 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I strongly disagree with the image presented as it clear shows signs of "Ghetto culture". You shouldn't address an international community displaying such symbols. Every time that Communication hits International Communities or Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at cultural level.
I designed the PDF for the release notes flyer and selected the photographs.
I think the photograph you're calling into question is a wonderful example of cross-cultural collaboration. You've got an Italian Fedora contributor making a friendly Hawaiian greeting gesture [1], photographed by a Romanian contributor, and included in a layout designed by an American.
Are you sure we really need formal review of Fedora documents specifically for cultural sensitivity? You know, I'm happy if we even have a nicely-designed flyer, or any flyer at all for that matter to hand out to folks. Did you check the history of the page and note all of the late-night edits to the document? We are very lucky Fedora community members worked together to make that document happen, and at the events I've brought it to it's been a great success in communicating what Fedora has to offer.
I'm a design professional - while that doesn't mean I'm right all the time, and actually I'm wrong a lot - I am actually quite aware of cross-cultural issues. I took two years of college-level Japanese and have basic fluency, and I also completed a graduate-level course in cross cultural communication and trained east Asian students in ESL, and in addition to the cross-cultural sensitivity issues that are a part of human-computer interaction study and practice, I do think I'm fairly certified to competently make calls on this sort of thing in my design work and in working with other Fedora Design Team members.
You really want to throw a cultural sensitivity review board at my design work, and the design work of the entire Fedora Design Team? We're having trouble enough encouraging designers in Fedora, and in open source projects in general, without showing a blatant distrust of their skills...
~m
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:14:09AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Nelson,
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:14 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I strongly disagree with the image presented as it clear shows signs of "Ghetto culture". You shouldn't address an international community displaying such symbols. Every time that Communication hits International Communities or Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at cultural level.
I designed the PDF for the release notes flyer and selected the photographs.
I think the photograph you're calling into question is a wonderful example of cross-cultural collaboration. You've got an Italian Fedora contributor making a friendly Hawaiian greeting gesture [1], photographed by a Romanian contributor, and included in a layout designed by an American.
Are you sure we really need formal review of Fedora documents specifically for cultural sensitivity? You know, I'm happy if we even have a nicely-designed flyer, or any flyer at all for that matter to hand out to folks. Did you check the history of the page and note all of the late-night edits to the document? We are very lucky Fedora community members worked together to make that document happen, and at the events I've brought it to it's been a great success in communicating what Fedora has to offer.
I'm a design professional - while that doesn't mean I'm right all the time, and actually I'm wrong a lot - I am actually quite aware of cross-cultural issues. I took two years of college-level Japanese and have basic fluency, and I also completed a graduate-level course in cross cultural communication and trained east Asian students in ESL, and in addition to the cross-cultural sensitivity issues that are a part of human-computer interaction study and practice, I do think I'm fairly certified to competently make calls on this sort of thing in my design work and in working with other Fedora Design Team members.
You really want to throw a cultural sensitivity review board at my design work, and the design work of the entire Fedora Design Team? We're having trouble enough encouraging designers in Fedora, and in open source projects in general, without showing a blatant distrust of their skills...
~m
I don't think Fedora has the need (or, certainly, the werewithal) to do a "100% cultural correctness" check on every single piece of media we produce. It should be abundantly clear to the majority of viewers that the picture in question is in the spirit of worldwide community and friendship. There's nothing else on the page to suggest otherwise, and the text around the picture makes that context pretty clear.
Big companies may have the staff and money to throw at these kinds of issues, but we do not. I don't want to make Fedora the kind of project where people have to get all sorts of permissions or pass through a lot of stages of review to produce wonderful media that shows how friendly and wonderful the Fedora community is. I love that particular picture, and indeed the entire layout of pictures in the one-page release notes that show the warmth and welcoming nature of Fedora.
I believe Nelson already said he didn't mean to stir up such a controversy around this picture. It would be good for any new or existing members of the Fedora Project to keep in mind that we all try to do our best here to *make* friends across cultures! Calling into question the motives of other contributors is not a good way to help achieve that end.
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 11:26 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I believe Nelson already said he didn't mean to stir up such a controversy around this picture. It would be good for any new or existing members of the Fedora Project to keep in mind that we all try to do our best here to *make* friends across cultures! Calling into question the motives of other contributors is not a good way to help achieve that end.
Sure, and Nelson I sincerely apologize if I came off as being too critical towards you. I really just wanted to make sure there isn't any misunderstanding about where these designs come from.
Sorry to beat a busted drum :(
~m
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