[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Right on Brother, Right on.

[Pat McKelvey]

David:

I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter.  I 
agree completely.  I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on 
the 16 and was loudly ignored.  There may be too many competing agendas 
in this situation.

I see being an ambassador as being the personal face on Linux (fedora or 
other).  I do not feel like I want to be the unpaid sales staff of any 
of the various companies that have paid staff.  Let the paid staff go to 
the Big Conferences and Man or Woman the Booths.  That kind of thing 
gets old quick.  I'll work, one on one, with the local users group.  I'm 
trying to find a way to smuggle Linux into the Cincinnati School System, 
which is all Windows now.  I'm working on the Cincinnati Computer Coop 
which rebuilds computers for schools and non-profit organizations.  I 
may end up creating a intro to Linux course for them.  I have made up 
the contents of three college courses, at the same time as teaching 
them. Doing one course should be easy, just so long as it doesn't get 
into the  policy part of SELinux.

I agree with your voice of sanity.  Your ideas are sound and let's see 
if we can't stir up some more support for the one-on-one approach. I 
won't "dis", as my daughter says, anyone using another distro.

Being a licensed Professional Engineer, having personally designed and 
made an integrated circuit as my senior EE project, having taught 
College for 3 years, been on the ANSI 70B committee (National Electrical 
Code - Maintenance) for 2 years, being a Lapsed MCNE, and having 2 pages 
of computer courses on my resume, I can give expert testimony in a Court 
downtown, but I can't get heard over the noise about "getting schwag".

I want to get back to helping people learn about Linux and all the neat 
things that can be done on it.  How much opportunity this open operating 
system offers, someone who is curious, the chance to learn and grow.  I 
believe that the world needs more people who want to tinker and learn. 
I want to be in on that excitement and growing.  I want to pass along 
what I have learned in 20 years in computers to those who are interested.

As I believe I said at the Ambassador's meeting, my drawer is full 
enough of T-shirts.  Perhaps being of Irish extraction, my temper gets 
the better of me. I probably need to go and have a last green beer left 
over from St. Patrick's Day (I'm Buddhist).

Pat

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[Clair]

On Saturday 18 March 2006 21:23, Pat McKelvey wrote:
>  David:
>
>  I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter.  I
>  agree completely.  I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on
>  the 16 and was loudly ignored.  There may be too many competing agendas
>  in this situation. 
[snip for sake of length]

I agree totally with everything you have to say here - there is indeed too 
much noise in the ambassadors project. Unless you're doing a big event, you 
won't get heard.

I'm trying to do something... be it another project inside marketing (as 
ambassadors is part of marketing), or another part of ambassadors... that 
will let the ambassador get support (be it slideshows, advice, or DVDs).

I'm still waiting on the steering committee to get back to me, though.


Clair

[Alex]

On 3/18/06, Pat McKelvey <pmckelvey(a)zoomtown.com&gt; wrote:
>  I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter.  I
>  agree completely.  I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on
>  the 16 and was loudly ignored.  There may be too many competing agendas
>  in this situation. 
Pat, all--

If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule
entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion.

A quick aside: as our meetings are well-attended, we have to stick to
rules like that so the meetings are kept to a healthy level of noise
:)


However, to do justice to folks who already do "un-events," let me
mention briefly at least some of such initiatives which are already
well on the way:

Chitlesh Goorah with his Kadischi and Fedora Libraries initiatives
David Nalley promoting Kadischi
Rahul Sundaram and Francesco Ugolini building an interactive tour of
the new release
Rahul Sundaram helping create and publish presentations for Ambassadors
Pablo Barrera and others pursuing their Fedora in the Streets project
finally Thomas Chung and I putting together a video contest to promote
free media format support in Fedora --

This is just a quick selection of the initiatives that come to mind --
there are more, just look through the list archives.

I understand your concern that Ambassadors are concentrating on the
event too much, but events is almost like a default option, but all of
us can and should come up with other ways to represent Fedora to the
people out there.

So please add your question/topic to the schedule and let us discuss
how the Ambassadors project can support initiatives other than events
in our next meeting.

Thank you,
Alex

[Clair]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:13, Alex Maier wrote:
>  On 3/18/06, Pat McKelvey <pmckelvey(a)zoomtown.com&gt; wrote:
>  > I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter.  I
>  > agree completely.  I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on
>  > the 16 and was loudly ignored.  There may be too many competing agendas
>  > in this situation.
>
>  Pat, all--
>
>  If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule
>  entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
>  You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion. 
But that's only for events.

>  However, to do justice to folks who already do "un-events,"
> let me
>  mention briefly at least some of such initiatives which are already
>  well on the way:
>
>  Chitlesh Goorah with his Kadischi and Fedora Libraries initiatives
>  David Nalley promoting Kadischi
>  Rahul Sundaram and Francesco Ugolini building an interactive tour of
>  the new release
>  Rahul Sundaram helping create and publish presentations for Ambassadors
>  Pablo Barrera and others pursuing their Fedora in the Streets project
>  finally Thomas Chung and I putting together a video contest to promote
>  free media format support in Fedora -- 
Only two of these are ambassador related.

>  This is just a quick selection of the initiatives that come to mind
> --
>  there are more, just look through the list archives. 
...which 99% of is noise and should go to marketing.

>  I understand your concern that Ambassadors are concentrating on the
>  event too much, but events is almost like a default option, but all of
>  us can and should come up with other ways to represent Fedora to the
>  people out there. 
You're confusing "Not events" with "Marketing".


Clair

[Alex]

On 3/19/06, Clair <fedora(a)freehold.no-ip.info&gt; wrote:
>  On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:13, Alex Maier wrote:
>  > If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule
>  > entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
>  > You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion.
>
>  But that's only for events. 
With all due respect Clair, this is not true, please check for
yourself, there are more then just events on the schedule.

Thank you,
Alex

[Rahul Sundaram]

Clair wrote:

> On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:13, Alex Maier wrote:
>   
>
> >On 3/18/06, Pat McKelvey <pmckelvey(a)zoomtown.com&gt; wrote:
> >    
> >
> >>I just saw your comments about ambassadorship in the newsletter.  I
> >>agree completely.  I have said so at the last ambassador's meeting on
> >>the 16 and was loudly ignored.  There may be too many competing agendas
> >>in this situation.
> >>      
> >>
> >Pat, all--
> >
> >If you want to bring up a topic in a meeting, please add a schedule
> >entry on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
> >You are guaranteed to have your time in the discussion.
> >    
> >
>
> But that's only for events.
>   
>  
No. Its not.  Anything that needs to be discussed can be and should be 
added to the schedule page. If anyone wants to track only events, they 
should use this page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 
instead.  Everyone is free to discuss and lead any initiatives they want 
to within the Ambassadors project.

-- 
Rahul

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

This might not be related here, but anyway,

Today, it's a big event for the Fedora Project;
I'm looking for OFFICIAL "announcement" materials ( MAYBE a summary of
the will-be official announcement ? ) which I can paste on lug's
mailing list/forums, once FC5 has be officially announced.

Eventually, it could be translated into different languages.

any link ?

just to end, its NOT meant to spam mailing list!
It is meant to
- spread the word, from an ambassador to other linux users
- show we at the Fedora Project are professional

Chitlesh
--
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[Clair]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
>  This might not be related here, but anyway,
>
>  Today, it's a big event for the Fedora Project;
>  I'm looking for OFFICIAL "announcement" materials ( MAYBE a summary of
>  the will-be official announcement ? ) which I can paste on lug's
>  mailing list/forums, once FC5 has be officially announced.
>
>  Eventually, it could be translated into different languages.
>
>  any link ? 
1) This is more suited to the marketing list
2) You should start a new thread if you are talking about a new
discussion, and not reply to existing posts
3) See the wiki.


Clair

[Thomas Chung]

On 3/19/06, Alex Maier <lxmaier(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  However, to do justice to folks who already do "un-events,"
> let me
>  mention briefly at least some of such initiatives which are already
>  well on the way:
>
>  Chitlesh Goorah with his Kadischi and Fedora Libraries initiatives
>  David Nalley promoting Kadischi
>  Rahul Sundaram and Francesco Ugolini building an interactive tour of
>  the new release
>  Rahul Sundaram helping create and publish presentations for Ambassadors
>  Pablo Barrera and others pursuing their Fedora in the Streets project
>  finally Thomas Chung and I putting together a video contest to promote
>  free media format support in Fedora --
>
>  This is just a quick selection of the initiatives that come to mind --
>  there are more, just look through the list archives. 
All,

I just added "Fedora Community Free Media Project" to our Schedule[1]
since the program[2] will be launched *officially* on FC5 Release
Date.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia

Regards,
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung