leaving Fedora Ambassador's project

[Robert Whetsel]

ALCON,

I would like to start it was a pleasure to get to kind of know those of you
I've
met and worked with. I am telling you that I am leaving the Fedora Project
after
my events are completed this month. I will do one last edit of my RobertWhetsel
for history sake.

I feel as I did not get to know many of you as well as I would have liked. 
Part
of my leaving is that a lot of us do not really understand the responsibilities
and duties of a Ambassador, let alone what is the big picture of Linux and the
concepts open source.

An Ambassador is defined as:
“An ambassador is a diplomatic official accredited to a foreign sovereign or
government, or to an international organization, to serve as the official
representative of his or her own country. In everyday usage it applies to the
ranking government representative stationed in a foreign capital. The host
country typically allows the ambassador control of specific territory called an
embassy, whose territory, staff, and even vehicles are generally afforded
diplomatic immunity in the host country.”
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador)

The Fedora Project's Ambassadors role is getting the word out by using a
grassroots approach. Additionally, I believe we should be sharing the
possibilities of what if. What if all people has access to eduction; no matter
where they live. What if a small company could use software that helped them
automate a business process that saved them enough money to hire one more
employee. What if through education someone is able to get a job and not worry
about how feed her family or where they are going to sleep. What if one more
person believed that they could make a difference. That is what an Ambassador
does; they open doors for people who don't know and give a new way to look at
computing; one user at a time. Events are nice, but remember without people an
event is an empty room.

The marketing group roles are different from that as an ambassador. And, with
the ambassador group still trying to find their way the merging of the two
groups will ensue into chaos for a time after the transition. And, when we
figure it out there will be a new set of people who will repeat the same
mistakes. Again, people will wounder wjy we continue struggle. Is it because we
keep changing the mission? Not really; We have had a lot of volunteers for
subprojects, however when some people realized how much effort was needed and
no
one else steeped up to help; they quietly let the due date lapse until we
forgot
about it. 

For me I don't understand why we continue to repeat our meeting agendas. It has
at times that I thought that we were playing a previous recorded show. A
meeting
should be for action; debate needs to take place before via ml and a voting is
conducted during the meeting. Our lack of process is the failure to read
meeting
minutes and the inability to realize we discussed and resolve that issue.
Additionally, when we get new people we get new Ideas; (same ideas more or
less)
we already resolved as policy or dismissed. It's human nature to keep working
in
our short term memory.

-- 
Cheers,
 
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[simon]

Am Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 06:44 schrieb Robert Whetsel:
>  I would like to start it was a pleasure to get to kind of know those
> of you
>  I've
>  met and worked with. I am telling you that I am leaving the Fedora Project
>  after
>  my events are completed this month. I will do one last edit of my
>  RobertWhetsel for history sake. 
Please dont go! 
We need People like you, who think about consequences before make a decision!

Cheers
-- 

Jörg Simon
jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon
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[Francesco Ugolini]

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Robert Whetsel ha scritto:
>  ALCON,
>  
>  I would like to start it was a pleasure to get to kind of know those of you
>  I've
>  met and worked with. I am telling you that I am leaving the Fedora Project
>  after
>  my events are completed this month. I will do one last edit of my RobertWhetsel
>  for history sake.
>  
>  I feel as I did not get to know many of you as well as I would have liked. 
>  Part
>  of my leaving is that a lot of us do not really understand the responsibilities
>  and duties of a Ambassador, let alone what is the big picture of Linux and the
>  concepts open source.
>  
>  An Ambassador is defined as:
>  “An ambassador is a diplomatic official accredited to a foreign sovereign or
>  government, or to an international organization, to serve as the official
>  representative of his or her own country. In everyday usage it applies to the
>  ranking government representative stationed in a foreign capital. The host
>  country typically allows the ambassador control of specific territory called an
>  embassy, whose territory, staff, and even vehicles are generally afforded
>  diplomatic immunity in the host country.”
>  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador)
>  
>  The Fedora Project's Ambassadors role is getting the word out by using a
>  grassroots approach. Additionally, I believe we should be sharing the
>  possibilities of what if. What if all people has access to eduction; no matter
>  where they live. What if a small company could use software that helped them
>  automate a business process that saved them enough money to hire one more
>  employee. What if through education someone is able to get a job and not worry
>  about how feed her family or where they are going to sleep. What if one more
>  person believed that they could make a difference. That is what an Ambassador
>  does; they open doors for people who don't know and give a new way to look at
>  computing; one user at a time. Events are nice, but remember without people an
>  event is an empty room.
>  
>  The marketing group roles are different from that as an ambassador. And, with
>  the ambassador group still trying to find their way the merging of the two
>  groups will ensue into chaos for a time after the transition. And, when we
>  figure it out there will be a new set of people who will repeat the same
>  mistakes. Again, people will wounder wjy we continue struggle. Is it because we
>  keep changing the mission? Not really; We have had a lot of volunteers for
>  subprojects, however when some people realized how much effort was needed and
>  no
>  one else steeped up to help; they quietly let the due date lapse until we
>  forgot
>  about it. 
>  
>  For me I don't understand why we continue to repeat our meeting agendas. It has
>  at times that I thought that we were playing a previous recorded show. A
>  meeting
>  should be for action; debate needs to take place before via ml and a voting is
>  conducted during the meeting. Our lack of process is the failure to read
>  meeting
>  minutes and the inability to realize we discussed and resolve that issue.
>  Additionally, when we get new people we get new Ideas; (same ideas more or
>  less)
>  we already resolved as policy or dismissed. It's human nature to keep working
>  in
>  our short term memory.
>   
I think you have to stay to tell this to all ambassadors, if you leave
the project will lose an important (you were here before ambassador
started) point of view.

You are free to take this decision, i hope you can change it.

Thanks

Francesco Ugolini

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[nihed mbarek]

Hi Francesco Ugolini
dont go.
this project need persons like you

2007/2/17, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
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>  Robert Whetsel ha scritto:
>  > ALCON,
>  >
>  > I would like to start it was a pleasure to get to kind of know those of
>  you
>  > I've
>  > met and worked with. I am telling you that I am leaving the Fedora
>  Project
>  > after
>  > my events are completed this month. I will do one last edit of my
>  RobertWhetsel
>  > for history sake.
>  >
>  > I feel as I did not get to know many of you as well as I would have
>  liked.
>  > Part
>  > of my leaving is that a lot of us do not really understand the
>  responsibilities
>  > and duties of a Ambassador, let alone what is the big picture of Linux
>  and the
>  > concepts open source.
>  >
>  > An Ambassador is defined as:
>  > "An ambassador is a diplomatic official accredited to a foreign
>  sovereign or
>  > government, or to an international organization, to serve as the
>  official
>  > representative of his or her own country. In everyday usage it applies
>  to the
>  > ranking government representative stationed in a foreign capital. The
>  host
>  > country typically allows the ambassador control of specific territory
>  called an
>  > embassy, whose territory, staff, and even vehicles are generally
>  afforded
>  > diplomatic immunity in the host country."
>  > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador)
>  >
>  > The Fedora Project's Ambassadors role is getting the word out by using a
>  > grassroots approach. Additionally, I believe we should be sharing the
>  > possibilities of what if. What if all people has access to eduction; no
>  matter
>  > where they live. What if a small company could use software that helped
>  them
>  > automate a business process that saved them enough money to hire one
>  more
>  > employee. What if through education someone is able to get a job and not
>  worry
>  > about how feed her family or where they are going to sleep. What if one
>  more
>  > person believed that they could make a difference. That is what an
>  Ambassador
>  > does; they open doors for people who don't know and give a new way to
>  look at
>  > computing; one user at a time. Events are nice, but remember without
>  people an
>  > event is an empty room.
>  >
>  > The marketing group roles are different from that as an ambassador. And,
>  with
>  > the ambassador group still trying to find their way the merging of the
>  two
>  > groups will ensue into chaos for a time after the transition. And, when
>  we
>  > figure it out there will be a new set of people who will repeat the same
>  > mistakes. Again, people will wounder wjy we continue struggle. Is it
>  because we
>  > keep changing the mission? Not really; We have had a lot of volunteers
>  for
>  > subprojects, however when some people realized how much effort was
>  needed and
>  > no
>  > one else steeped up to help; they quietly let the due date lapse until
>  we
>  > forgot
>  > about it.
>  >
>  > For me I don't understand why we continue to repeat our meeting agendas.
>  It has
>  > at times that I thought that we were playing a previous recorded show. A
>  > meeting
>  > should be for action; debate needs to take place before via ml and a
>  voting is
>  > conducted during the meeting. Our lack of process is the failure to read
>  > meeting
>  > minutes and the inability to realize we discussed and resolve that
>  issue.
>  > Additionally, when we get new people we get new Ideas; (same ideas more
>  or
>  > less)
>  > we already resolved as policy or dismissed. It's human nature to keep
>  working
>  > in
>  > our short term memory.
>  >
>
>  I think you have to stay to tell this to all ambassadors, if you leave
>  the project will lose an important (you were here before ambassador
>  started) point of view.
>
>  You are free to take this decision, i hope you can change it.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Francesco Ugolini
>
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[Francesco Ugolini]

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nihed mbarek ha scritto:
>  Hi Francesco Ugolini
>  dont go.
>  this project need persons like you
>  
>  2007/2/17, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>  
>  Robert Whetsel ha scritto:
> > ALCON,
>  
> > I would like to start it was a pleasure to get to kind of know
>  those of you
> > I've
> > met and worked with. I am telling you that I am leaving the Fedora
>  Project
> > after
> > my events are completed this month. I will do one last edit of my
>  RobertWhetsel
> > for history sake.
>  
> > I feel as I did not get to know many of you as well as I would
>  have liked.
> > Part
> > of my leaving is that a lot of us do not really understand the
>  responsibilities
> > and duties of a Ambassador, let alone what is the big picture of
>  Linux and the
> > concepts open source.
>  
> > An Ambassador is defined as:
> > "An ambassador is a diplomatic official accredited to a foreign
>  sovereign or
> > government, or to an international organization, to serve as the
>  official
> > representative of his or her own country. In everyday usage it
>  applies to the
> > ranking government representative stationed in a foreign capital.
>  The host
> > country typically allows the ambassador control of specific
>  territory called an
> > embassy, whose territory, staff, and even vehicles are generally
>  afforded
> > diplomatic immunity in the host country."
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador)
>  
> > The Fedora Project's Ambassadors role is getting the word out by
>  using a
> > grassroots approach. Additionally, I believe we should be sharing the
> > possibilities of what if. What if all people has access to
>  eduction; no matter
> > where they live. What if a small company could use software that
>  helped them
> > automate a business process that saved them enough money to hire
>  one more
> > employee. What if through education someone is able to get a job
>  and not worry
> > about how feed her family or where they are going to sleep. What
>  if one more
> > person believed that they could make a difference. That is what an
>  Ambassador
> > does; they open doors for people who don't know and give a new way
>  to look at
> > computing; one user at a time. Events are nice, but remember
>  without people an
> > event is an empty room.
>  
> > The marketing group roles are different from that as an
>  ambassador. And, with
> > the ambassador group still trying to find their way the merging of
>  the two
> > groups will ensue into chaos for a time after the transition. And,
>  when we
> > figure it out there will be a new set of people who will repeat
>  the same
> > mistakes. Again, people will wounder wjy we continue struggle. Is
>  it because we
> > keep changing the mission? Not really; We have had a lot of
>  volunteers for
> > subprojects, however when some people realized how much effort was
>  needed and
> > no
> > one else steeped up to help; they quietly let the due date lapse
>  until we
> > forgot
> > about it.
>  
> > For me I don't understand why we continue to repeat our meeting
>  agendas. It has
> > at times that I thought that we were playing a previous recorded
>  show. A
> > meeting
> > should be for action; debate needs to take place before via ml and
>  a voting is
> > conducted during the meeting. Our lack of process is the failure
>  to read
> > meeting
> > minutes and the inability to realize we discussed and resolve that
>  issue.
> > Additionally, when we get new people we get new Ideas; (same ideas
>  more or
> > less)
> > we already resolved as policy or dismissed. It's human nature to
>  keep working
> > in
> > our short term memory.
>  
>  
>  I think you have to stay to tell this to all ambassadors, if you leave
>  the project will lose an important (you were here before ambassador
>  started) point of view.
>  
>  You are free to take this decision, i hope you can change it.
>  
>  Thanks
>  
>  Francesco Ugolini
>   
I don't leave, read the mail deeper...

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

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[nihed mbarek]

sorry
you are the best ;)

2007/2/17, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
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>  nihed mbarek ha scritto:
>  > Hi Francesco Ugolini
>  > dont go.
>  > this project need persons like you
>  >
>  > 2007/2/17, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>  >
>  > Robert Whetsel ha scritto:
>  >> ALCON,
>  >
>  >> I would like to start it was a pleasure to get to kind of know
>  > those of you
>  >> I've
>  >> met and worked with. I am telling you that I am leaving the Fedora
>  > Project
>  >> after
>  >> my events are completed this month. I will do one last edit of my
>  > RobertWhetsel
>  >> for history sake.
>  >
>  >> I feel as I did not get to know many of you as well as I would
>  > have liked.
>  >> Part
>  >> of my leaving is that a lot of us do not really understand the
>  > responsibilities
>  >> and duties of a Ambassador, let alone what is the big picture of
>  > Linux and the
>  >> concepts open source.
>  >
>  >> An Ambassador is defined as:
>  >> "An ambassador is a diplomatic official accredited to a foreign
>  > sovereign or
>  >> government, or to an international organization, to serve as the
>  > official
>  >> representative of his or her own country. In everyday usage it
>  > applies to the
>  >> ranking government representative stationed in a foreign capital.
>  > The host
>  >> country typically allows the ambassador control of specific
>  > territory called an
>  >> embassy, whose territory, staff, and even vehicles are generally
>  > afforded
>  >> diplomatic immunity in the host country."
>  >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador)
>  >
>  >> The Fedora Project's Ambassadors role is getting the word out by
>  > using a
>  >> grassroots approach. Additionally, I believe we should be sharing the
>  >> possibilities of what if. What if all people has access to
>  > eduction; no matter
>  >> where they live. What if a small company could use software that
>  > helped them
>  >> automate a business process that saved them enough money to hire
>  > one more
>  >> employee. What if through education someone is able to get a job
>  > and not worry
>  >> about how feed her family or where they are going to sleep. What
>  > if one more
>  >> person believed that they could make a difference. That is what an
>  > Ambassador
>  >> does; they open doors for people who don't know and give a new way
>  > to look at
>  >> computing; one user at a time. Events are nice, but remember
>  > without people an
>  >> event is an empty room.
>  >
>  >> The marketing group roles are different from that as an
>  > ambassador. And, with
>  >> the ambassador group still trying to find their way the merging of
>  > the two
>  >> groups will ensue into chaos for a time after the transition. And,
>  > when we
>  >> figure it out there will be a new set of people who will repeat
>  > the same
>  >> mistakes. Again, people will wounder wjy we continue struggle. Is
>  > it because we
>  >> keep changing the mission? Not really; We have had a lot of
>  > volunteers for
>  >> subprojects, however when some people realized how much effort was
>  > needed and
>  >> no
>  >> one else steeped up to help; they quietly let the due date lapse
>  > until we
>  >> forgot
>  >> about it.
>  >
>  >> For me I don't understand why we continue to repeat our meeting
>  > agendas. It has
>  >> at times that I thought that we were playing a previous recorded
>  > show. A
>  >> meeting
>  >> should be for action; debate needs to take place before via ml and
>  > a voting is
>  >> conducted during the meeting. Our lack of process is the failure
>  > to read
>  >> meeting
>  >> minutes and the inability to realize we discussed and resolve that
>  > issue.
>  >> Additionally, when we get new people we get new Ideas; (same ideas
>  > more or
>  >> less)
>  >> we already resolved as policy or dismissed. It's human nature to
>  > keep working
>  >> in
>  >> our short term memory.
>  >
>  >
>  > I think you have to stay to tell this to all ambassadors, if you leave
>  > the project will lose an important (you were here before ambassador
>  > started) point of view.
>  >
>  > You are free to take this decision, i hope you can change it.
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  >
>  > Francesco Ugolini
>  >
>
>  I don't leave, read the mail deeper...
>
>  Regards
>
>  Francesco Ugolini
>
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Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa

[Patrick W. Barnes]

On Friday 16 February 2007, Robert Whetsel wrote:
>  I feel as I did not get to know many of you as well as I would have
> liked.
>  Part of my leaving is that a lot of us do not really understand the
>  responsibilities and duties of a Ambassador, let alone what is the big
>  picture of Linux and the concepts open source.
>  
Your exit will be a great loss to this project.

It is very unfortunate that this project has fallen to an almost total lack of 
focus.  Original objectives have been ignored; the same, flawed ideas have 
been repeated.

Time has prevented me from participating at the level I would like.  It has 
been difficult to continue delivering my ideas to this group.  I would very 
much like to see the Ambassadors project succeed, but making that happen will 
take vision from both leadership and new contributors.

We have both seasoned contributors and new faces that are still looking for 
the next step participating or lurking in this list.  The voices of 
experience would do well to look for and engage the new people, to guide them 
in becoming more active contributors.  The infrastructure that this group now 
has took time and effort to develop.  A great deal of thought has been put 
into how things work, and now we're talking about making haphazard changes 
without understanding their consequences.  Take a step back and consider 
whether or not these changes are really in the best interests of the 
long-term goals of this project.  The effort now being put into making 
changes could be put to much better use achieving the goals of the project.

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