1:38 a.m.
Hi,
Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit for CES
2013?
http://www.cesweb.org/
I missed the free registration, but I'll be attending anyway.
I think it would be good to have an exhibit there.
Thanks,
Dan
9:15 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit for CES
2013?
No.
http://www.cesweb.org/
I missed the free registration, but I'll be attending anyway.
I think it would be good to have an exhibit there.
Can you provide any details about what having an exhibit there costs?
John
9:17 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:15 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Dan Mashal
<dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit for CES
> 2013?
No.
I don't have any idea what Red Hat might have for plans but Fedora
doesn't have any plans to attend at this point.
John
2:10 p.m.
Not sure, will have to check with my brother. I'll get back to you.
Dan
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 7:17 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:15 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit for
CES
>> 2013?
>
> No.
I don't have any idea what Red Hat might have for plans but Fedora
doesn't have any plans to attend at this point.
John
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9:47 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure, will have to check with my brother. I'll get back to
you.
Also think about how participating at CES might benefit Fedora. I'm
not aware of Fedora ever attending CES and I would guess the reasons
are that the the folks attending CES don't align with project needs as
well as other events do and the cost is relatively high for us to have
a booth there but don't let that discourage you. If the cost is
prohibitive there may not be anything we can do about that but we are
definitely interested in Fedora having a presence at events that we
might not normally attend if we have a creative reason to be there.
John
2:03 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:15 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit for CES
>> 2013?
>
> No.
I don't have any idea what Red Hat might have for plans but Fedora
doesn't have any plans to attend at this point.
I was at CES 2012 and I am registered for 2013.
Red Hat and Fedora were not.
Canonical was present. The booth was staffed with people who were
making no apologies for their proprietary products, in fact they were
pushing them. They were showing off Ubuntu on ARM, Ubuntu One, Ubuntu
corporate desktop support, and Ubuntu TV. It is worth mentioning, that
they were all out of media and stickers since the community
constituency was in attendance.
Microsoft was present but it was heavily rumored that they would not
exhibit in 2013 because they were not guaranteed their CEO a keynote
spot. I was also at the Steve Balmer's final CES keynote in 2012 where
Windows 8 was hyped. Trust me, I face palmed when Microsoft took
credit for innovations that I have seen in Free Software.
I'm going to +1 Fedora @ CES2013. Many embedded products that run the
Linux kernel are there. Moreover, there is abundant evidence that
today's slot machines use GNU/Linux. The success of Sugar on OLPC
hardware proves that Fedora is a fine choice for deployments that must
work in the long haul.
I take it one step farther, I'd happily be part of organizing the booth.
Thanks,
Beth Lynn Eicher
3:32 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Beth Lynn Eicher
<bethlynn(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:15 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit for CES
>>> 2013?
>>
>> No.
>
> I don't have any idea what Red Hat might have for plans but Fedora
> doesn't have any plans to attend at this point.
>
I was at CES 2012 and I am registered for 2013.
Red Hat and Fedora were not.
Canonical was present. The booth was staffed with people who were
making no apologies for their proprietary products, in fact they were
pushing them. They were showing off Ubuntu on ARM, Ubuntu One, Ubuntu
corporate desktop support, and Ubuntu TV. It is worth mentioning, that
they were all out of media and stickers since the community
constituency was in attendance.
Microsoft was present but it was heavily rumored that they would not
exhibit in 2013 because they were not guaranteed their CEO a keynote
spot. I was also at the Steve Balmer's final CES keynote in 2012 where
Windows 8 was hyped. Trust me, I face palmed when Microsoft took
credit for innovations that I have seen in Free Software.
The picture you paint is the picture I have in my mind although I have
never attended CES, one only interested in open source for the ways
they might be able to use it to their economic advantage. Perhaps it
isn't fair for me to hope for anything more but I feel like I do see
more when I attend SELF, OLF, TXLF. Given that a reasonable presence
at CES would cost more than we spend on SELF, OLF, and TXLF combined I
am having a hard time supporting funding that given our limited
budget.
I'm going to +1 Fedora @ CES2013. Many embedded products that run
the
Linux kernel are there. Moreover, there is abundant evidence that
today's slot machines use GNU/Linux. The success of Sugar on OLPC
hardware proves that Fedora is a fine choice for deployments that must
work in the long haul.
I would rather take that money and do something directly with people
doing cool hacking on solar cars or robots than slot machines and
routers. My two cents.
John
4:15 p.m.
Honestly,
And please don't take this the wrong way.
As a fedora packager, member of QA, and ambassador I feel like someone that
lives in the housing projects.
If Fedora is only supposed to be used for solar cars and robots then I
should be running RHEL I guess.
Beth, I'll see you there if nothing comes of it. I'll be calling their
sales team on Tuesday. Would you like to exchange contact information and
come up with a proposal/deliverables/agenda for the powers that be?
Dan
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:32 PM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Beth Lynn Eicher
<bethlynn(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:15 AM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Does Fedora or Red Hat have any plans to have some kind of exhibit
for CES
>>>> 2013?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> I don't have any idea what Red Hat might have for plans but Fedora
>> doesn't have any plans to attend at this point.
>>
>
> I was at CES 2012 and I am registered for 2013.
>
> Red Hat and Fedora were not.
>
> Canonical was present. The booth was staffed with people who were
> making no apologies for their proprietary products, in fact they were
> pushing them. They were showing off Ubuntu on ARM, Ubuntu One, Ubuntu
> corporate desktop support, and Ubuntu TV. It is worth mentioning, that
> they were all out of media and stickers since the community
> constituency was in attendance.
>
> Microsoft was present but it was heavily rumored that they would not
> exhibit in 2013 because they were not guaranteed their CEO a keynote
> spot. I was also at the Steve Balmer's final CES keynote in 2012 where
> Windows 8 was hyped. Trust me, I face palmed when Microsoft took
> credit for innovations that I have seen in Free Software.
The picture you paint is the picture I have in my mind although I have
never attended CES, one only interested in open source for the ways
they might be able to use it to their economic advantage. Perhaps it
isn't fair for me to hope for anything more but I feel like I do see
more when I attend SELF, OLF, TXLF. Given that a reasonable presence
at CES would cost more than we spend on SELF, OLF, and TXLF combined I
am having a hard time supporting funding that given our limited
budget.
> I'm going to +1 Fedora @ CES2013. Many embedded products that run the
> Linux kernel are there. Moreover, there is abundant evidence that
> today's slot machines use GNU/Linux. The success of Sugar on OLPC
> hardware proves that Fedora is a fine choice for deployments that must
> work in the long haul.
I would rather take that money and do something directly with people
doing cool hacking on solar cars or robots than slot machines and
routers. My two cents.
John
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4:36 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly,
And please don't take this the wrong way.
As a fedora packager, member of QA, and ambassador I feel like someone that
lives in the housing projects.
If Fedora is only supposed to be used for solar cars and robots then I
should be running RHEL I guess.
Misrepresenting what I said isn't going to help anyone. Solar cars and
robots are examples of areas where actual developers are doing very
cool work where Fedora might be able to become a real long term
partner. It is just my opinion but I would rather take a shot at
developing long term relationships with those sorts of groups than
spending the same amount of money on a few days at a trade show, any
trade show.
Without funding constraints we can do everything we want to do and if
there is money to fund CES I have no objection to giving it a try.
With funding constraints we need to consider the opportunity costs of
the decisions we make.
John
4:39 p.m.
Good point inode0.
*Looks at Ruth and Robyn*
I'll try and give a call on Tuesday.
Dan
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 2:36 PM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Dan Mashal
<dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly,
>
> And please don't take this the wrong way.
>
> As a fedora packager, member of QA, and ambassador I feel like someone
that
> lives in the housing projects.
>
> If Fedora is only supposed to be used for solar cars and robots then I
> should be running RHEL I guess.
Misrepresenting what I said isn't going to help anyone. Solar cars and
robots are examples of areas where actual developers are doing very
cool work where Fedora might be able to become a real long term
partner. It is just my opinion but I would rather take a shot at
developing long term relationships with those sorts of groups than
spending the same amount of money on a few days at a trade show, any
trade show.
Without funding constraints we can do everything we want to do and if
there is money to fund CES I have no objection to giving it a try.
With funding constraints we need to consider the opportunity costs of
the decisions we make.
John
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10:50 a.m.
Hello Ambassadors,
I regret that I cannot attend the Consumer Electronics Show in 2013. Since
I am starting a new job next week, I do not have the vacation time to spend.
With that said, I still do believe that a Fedora presence would be valuable.
Thanks,
Beth Lynn Eicher
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Dan Mashal
<dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly,
>
> And please don't take this the wrong way.
>
> As a fedora packager, member of QA, and ambassador I feel like someone
that
> lives in the housing projects.
>
> If Fedora is only supposed to be used for solar cars and robots then I
> should be running RHEL I guess.
Misrepresenting what I said isn't going to help anyone. Solar cars and
robots are examples of areas where actual developers are doing very
cool work where Fedora might be able to become a real long term
partner. It is just my opinion but I would rather take a shot at
developing long term relationships with those sorts of groups than
spending the same amount of money on a few days at a trade show, any
trade show.
Without funding constraints we can do everything we want to do and if
there is money to fund CES I have no objection to giving it a try.
With funding constraints we need to consider the opportunity costs of
the decisions we make.
John
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Thanks,
Beth Lynn Eicher
10:58 a.m.
As it turns out, CES may be rather less expensive than I imagined. I've
requested their sponsorship prospectus and will let the list know what
it says. I'm not convinced it's the best use of Fedora money, but I
won't say it's not worth at least finding out what it would cost.
Ruth
1:13 p.m.
On 11/30/2012 11:58 AM, Ruth Suehle wrote:
As it turns out, CES may be rather less expensive than I imagined.
I've requested their sponsorship prospectus and will let the list know
what it says. I'm not convinced it's the best use of Fedora money, but
I won't say it's not worth at least finding out what it would cost.
Survey says... yikes!
Booth space is $42/sq ft, which isn't that bad and comparable to what we
pay for a small booth at a large event. OK.
But it's sold in 100 sq ft. increments. There's the yikes.
So at $4200 just for a booth before we've paid for anyone to staff it or
bought swag, that's a huge expenditure that would have to have a pretty
amazing payoff.
Ruth
4:23 p.m.
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
Ruth, thank you for your e-mail. :)
I will provide you my insight into CES which I think will give you a good aspect on this.
:)
> As it turns out, CES may be rather less expensive than I
imagined. I've requested their sponsorship prospectus and will let the list know what
it says. I'm not convinced it's the best use of Fedora money, but I won't say
it's not worth at least finding out what it would cost.
Survey says... yikes!
Booth space is $42/sq ft, which isn't that bad and comparable to what we pay for a
small booth at a large event. OK.
But it's sold in 100 sq ft. increments. There's the yikes.
So at $4200 just for a booth before we've paid for anyone to staff it or bought swag,
that's a huge expenditure that would have to have a pretty amazing payoff.
Hotel reservations for the Las Vegas area are getting max'ed out to full capacity and
getting very
expensive for rooms which are available. An additional factor to add into one's
evaluation.
;)
I have been invited to "attend" CES and as an attendee, I "expect" to
see exhibits which basically knock my socks off [1] and [2].
The other exhibitors will show have exhibitions which will truly amaze the attendees,
think of that as your competition for attendees' attention, if you know what I mean.
* There are "hard deadlines" [3] for the exhibitors which are require a
substantial level of effort (LOE) in order to accomplish for example, all
"exhibits" must be ready by 3 pm the day prior. My two words = "Mission
Impossible."
=============================================
URLS -
[1] http://www.cesweb.org/Show-Floor/By-Product-Category.aspx
[2] http://www.cesweb.org/Show-Floor/CES-TechZones.aspx
[3] http://www.cesweb.org/For-Exhibitors/Deadline-Checklist.aspx
=============================================
Lastly, there are about five weeks until "show time" and that includes two major
U.S. holidays to get things done. ;)
Please have a Great Fedora day and/or evening! :~)
Thank You
Sincerely
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