I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
Regards, Christoph
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 00:43:36 Christoph Wickert wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
I am on that video - thanks Christoph for sharing ;)
cu Joerg
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 06:46 +0100, Joerg Simon wrote:
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 00:43:36 Christoph Wickert wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
There was one very active ambassador there :) (He was talking to the gent with the white netbook.)
It looks like a lot of booths had an attention issue... we should jump all over this problem and see if we cant change this dynamic
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 00:43:36 Christoph Wickert wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
^^ UNFORTUNATELY you made it not this year, Christoph .....
On 02/16/2010 01:43 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
My videos from FOSDEM were *a lot* less formal :p http://nicubunu.blip.tv/file/3198729/ http://nicubunu.blip.tv/file/3198817/
However, I also have a 25 minutes long recording from the middle of the FOSDEM FAD and was unsure about that, is OK if I put that online too?
On 02/16/2010 12:43 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
Christoph. Don't keep it personally, but as part of the team that waas there, I'm really tired of this story. Really!
Why?
1) No policy were decided (together) before FOSDEM.
2) If we start talking about "booth service" we are looking at it from the wrong side. In my opinion Ambassador is still volunteering, and considering the nature of FOSDEM it was acceptable (at least for me) to have people hacking to the booth.
3) You didn't be there so you couldn't have the right feeling of what we did. I understand that you got complaining, but if they had problems, they should come to our booth and talk with us AND maybe start contributing.
4) I don't like compare with other...but did you see the other booths?
Luca
PS: sorry in advance for if my tone is rude...
I was that ambassador. I have tried to tell to him to how to could use such a small eeepc 701 with Fedora LXDE. At the end he taken some disks. By the way I think that booths at Fosdem are only "additions", to the many kind of talks, and to the event. On the other hand I could a bit agree with Chris, but this is a past - and next time we'll do it better surely. Also, together with more people, and with you Chris. Right, Gents?
Zoltan
2010/2/16 Justin O'Brien three@threethirty.us
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 06:46 +0100, Joerg Simon wrote:
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 00:43:36 Christoph Wickert wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
There was one very active ambassador there :) (He was talking to the gent with the white netbook.)
It looks like a lot of booths had an attention issue... we should jump all over this problem and see if we cant change this dynamic
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Christoph Wickert < christoph.wickert@googlemail.com> wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
Regards, Christoph
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Regarding to that video there were 5 fedora ambassadors in front of the booth chatting and generally being available to the people. Max and Joerg here having a discussion and there were only 4 ambassadors sitting and hacking. The way I see it, there is no need for flaming and "fighting" each other about our booth. Next year we will have the best booth and a better marketing policy.
I want to clarify it more, cause it is really NOT good to get the negative impression out of a video showing EXACTLY the opposite!
In the first instance that our booth is shown (the longer one during the video) we can see 6 people behind the booth (Andreas and Gerold hacking, Joerg speaking with Max, Anastasis-the new greek ambassador setting up moblin demo, Dimitris-convincing Evelina to contribute, and Evelina-a yet to be contributor). As for in front of the booth there are 6 (SIX) ambassadors (including Max) waiting for people to stop by and be informed for Fedora.
That (at least 12 contributors around a booth) is by FAR beyond any other booth and yes I believe we had the best booth on FOSDEM (tweets and reports show it).
In the second instance showing our booth there are 4 ambassadors hacking behind the booth, but the video doesn't show the front side of the booth so we can't tell.
It's really a pity to underestimate the effort of many contributors, especially when we merely all of us have stated in our reports that we had some points to improve on our next appearance. Finally consider that about half of the ambassadors where kinda new on this kind of event and so there effort should be much more appreciated.
Hope this thing ends here, so we can move on to our next events making Fedora what it deserves to be :)
~π
2010/2/16 Christos Bacharakis cmpahar@gmail.com:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
Regards, Christoph
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Regarding to that video there were 5 fedora ambassadors in front of the booth chatting and generally being available to the people. Max and Joerg here having a discussion and there were only 4 ambassadors sitting and hacking. The way I see it, there is no need for flaming and "fighting" each other about our booth. Next year we will have the best booth and a better marketing policy.
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2010/2/16 Pierros Papadeas ppapadeas@gmail.com:
Hope this thing ends here, so we can move on to our next events making Fedora what it deserves to be :)
I hope it ends here too. The point has been made, we are all aware of the concern and can take it into consideration at future events. Improvement is an iterative process, we try, we get feedback, we learn, we do better the next time.
John
Hey Christoph,
2010/2/16 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
As far back as i can remember, this has been the status quo at Fosdem. I am going to be very blunt here, but i really mean this in the most positive way.
Step up or shut up.
It's the event owner's responsibility to set the policy for how people should behave at an event. I've worked with a number of different event owners and each time the policy is different. If you have an issue with the way the owner of Fosdem ran the booth, i suggest you email him first in private. Complaining about it in public like this just creates alot of ill will all around and doesn't help anyone.
If you think you can do Fosdem better in the future, i politely suggest that you get more involved. A polite email with Frederic is still the way to go here. Once you've gotten him to agree to let you help, then it's only appropriate that you do bring the issue up here, and ask everyone to heed the policy the next time around. If this is something you feel should be true for all events, write up a generic policy and ask Famsco to look it over.
This is in every aspect a legitimate conversation we should be having. We do want to present an image to the public, and i agree with you, there should be less hacking at the booth. I just hope that we can find a better way to communicate this and make this change happen without pointing fingers.
If i'm going to point fingers, i'm going to point them at myself. OpenRheinRuhr in Bottrop - using a laptop at the booth, guilty as charged. I promise to do it less in the future.
-Yaakov Nemoy
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 01:10:34PM +0100, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
Hey Christoph,
2010/2/16 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
As far back as i can remember, this has been the status quo at Fosdem. I am going to be very blunt here, but i really mean this in the most positive way.
Step up or shut up.
[...snip...]
I have no issue with what you wrote, Yaakov, except that I would *really* like it if we could avoid this type of phrasing. I know you meant it in a positive way, but there are better ways to say the same thing, e.g.:
"Be the change you want to see in the world." -- M. Gandhi
I've seen the phrase you used elsewhere, and I don't agree this phrasing is in the best spirit of our community. I *do* agree with the general sentiment that we are all responsible for doing our best, and where anyone find problems, we should bring them up respectfully and *be part of the solution*. Congratulate before criticizing, and realize that it is up to each of us to create a positive atmosphere while making improvements in Fedora.
It's the event owner's responsibility to set the policy for how people should behave at an event. I've worked with a number of different event owners and each time the policy is different. If you have an issue with the way the owner of Fosdem ran the booth, i suggest you email him first in private. Complaining about it in public like this just creates alot of ill will all around and doesn't help anyone.
If you think you can do Fosdem better in the future, i politely suggest that you get more involved. A polite email with Frederic is still the way to go here. Once you've gotten him to agree to let you help, then it's only appropriate that you do bring the issue up here, and ask everyone to heed the policy the next time around. If this is something you feel should be true for all events, write up a generic policy and ask Famsco to look it over.
This is in every aspect a legitimate conversation we should be having. We do want to present an image to the public, and i agree with you, there should be less hacking at the booth. I just hope that we can find a better way to communicate this and make this change happen without pointing fingers.
If i'm going to point fingers, i'm going to point them at myself. OpenRheinRuhr in Bottrop - using a laptop at the booth, guilty as charged. I promise to do it less in the future.
+1 to all the above. I worked hard at the 2009 LinuxTag event to make sure that I didn't make the same mistakes as in the 2008 LinuxTag event. (Maybe I made all new ones, but we accept that in Fedora.)
2010/2/16 Pierros Papadeas ppapadeas@gmail.com
I want to clarify it more, cause it is really NOT good to get the
negative impression out of a video showing EXACTLY the opposite!
+1 The video at best showed a crowd of people around the booth. The place was busy and let's just say that the many times I walked by the booth there were many people engaged in conversation with the booth ambassadors. In addition, people looked happy. Many had smiles on their faces. Smiles are contagious and also show to others that we enjoy what we are doing. If they see that we enjoy what we are doing, then they will want to be a part of it ;-)
In the first instance that our booth is shown (the longer one during the video) we can see 6 people behind the booth (Andreas and Gerold hacking, Joerg speaking with Max, Anastasis-the new greek ambassador setting up moblin demo, Dimitris-convincing Evelina to contribute, and Evelina-a yet to be contributor). As for in front of the booth there are 6 (SIX) ambassadors (including Max) waiting for people to stop by and be informed for Fedora.
That (at least 12 contributors around a booth) is by FAR beyond any other booth and yes I believe we had the best booth on FOSDEM (tweets and reports show it).
+1
In the second instance showing our booth there are 4 ambassadors hacking behind the booth, but the video doesn't show the front side of the booth so we can't tell.
It's really a pity to underestimate the effort of many contributors, especially when we merely all of us have stated in our reports that we had some points to improve on our next appearance. Finally consider that about half of the ambassadors where kinda new on this kind of event and so there effort should be much more appreciated.
+1 I also think that many ambassadors use these events to communicate with each other. Especially, those we have not seen in a while ;-) Along with this comes discussion on solutions, packages, projects which might seem like hacking, but is a part of the creative and innovation processes which help our contributers create this great distro.
Hope this thing ends here, so we can move on to our next events making Fedora what it deserves to be :)
+1
In addition, I agree with others in this post that things can also be improved which has been discussed by many on many different occasions at FOSDEM. I also agree some sort of agreed protocol for events can be drawn up, agreed upon and then formalized through FaMSCO. Adversely, The danger I see here is that if we put too many demands on our contributers/ambassadors that we begin to take the fun out of it and drive our ambassadors and their potential friends away. This is the worst thing that could happen, since we stand to loose resources within the community. After all, we are volunteering our time to promote Fedora and FOSS ;-)
As most say, let's do better next time with regards to professionalism.
All the best,
Greg
~π
2010/2/16 Christos Bacharakis cmpahar@gmail.com:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote:
I found a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9rIfGD64 You can see the Fedora booth a couple of times. Unfortunately it confirms what I wrote previously about the booth service: Not that active as it should have been I guess.
Anyway, Next time we'll do better. I just wanted to share this video with you.
Regards, Christoph
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Regarding to that video there were 5 fedora ambassadors in front of the booth chatting and generally being available to the people. Max and Joerg here having a discussion and there were only 4 ambassadors sitting and hacking. The way I see it, there is no need for flaming and "fighting" each other about our booth. Next year we will have the best booth and a better marketing policy.
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[... snip
]Am Donnerstag, den 18.02.2010, 20:43 +0100 schrieb Gregory Zysk:
In the first instance that our booth is shown (the longer one during the video) we can see 6 people behind the booth (Andreas and Gerold hacking, Joerg speaking with Max, Anastasis-the new greek ambassador setting up moblin demo, Dimitris-convincing Evelina to contribute, and Evelina-a yet to be contributor). As for in front of the booth there are 6 (SIX) ambassadors (including Max) waiting for people to stop by and be informed for Fedora. That (at least 12 contributors around a booth) is by FAR beyond any other booth and yes I believe we had the best booth on FOSDEM (tweets and reports show it).+1
In the second instance showing our booth there are 4 ambassadors hacking behind the booth, but the video doesn't show the front side of the booth so we can't tell.
^^ have a look at the first section you describe ... TWELVE in total ... :-)
Guess what`s coming :-P
In the second we have FOUR hacking; and if my study was really correct (I had a good mark in maths) we have EIGHT in front of the boot; a (2 times) 2 meter table. Said this: 50 cm per each Ambassador PLUS at least ONE visitor per Ambassador ...
HOWDY what a great success
(regardless all the unfriendly words in the last few mails)
I hope to see you all again soon hacking in the (@ FOSDEM not existing) FEDORA HACKING room and not behind or at the booth ...
... as we did (thanks Paul for the reminder) at Linuxtag in 2009. And to be honest; I pleased as far as I remember at least ONE person (dunno know who it was) from the booth with the private Laptop [but there were rooms for hackings of the projects] All the best
Gerold
@Gregory: you remember my name; WOW :-) I`m really impressed!
Hi Yaakov,
I didn't want to reply to this topic anymore, but the tone of your email urges me to.
Am Donnerstag, den 18.02.2010, 13:10 +0100 schrieb Yaakov Nemoy:
As far back as i can remember, this has been the status quo at Fosdem.
AFAIKS it was better last year. And even if not: We can always do better. Status quo is for improvement, not to rest.
I am going to be very blunt here, but i really mean this in the most positive way.
Step up or shut up.
I am currently working > 25 hrs a week for Fedora. Honestly, I cannot step up. I wanted to come to FOSDEM, but due to my work and some very disappointing things that happened in Fedora lately, I decided not to come.
It's the event owner's responsibility to set the policy for how people should behave at an event.
I don't think so. IMO everybody is responsible for himself. We are grown-ups, not little children.
I've worked with a number of different event owners and each time the policy is different.
This is why I request to set a general policy for all ambassadors at all events. Or let me put it different: I don't think we need an official policy ratified by FAmSCo, common sense should be sufficient. The time at an event is too precious to waste it with hacking. Attend talks, talk to people, but please don't stare at your laptops.
If you have an issue with the way the owner of Fosdem ran the booth, i suggest you email him first in private. Complaining about it in public like this just creates alot of ill will all around and doesn't help anyone.
Fredric didn't run the booth, the ambassadors who were present ran it. I don't think that Frederic as the event owner, who already did a lot of work, should also be held responsible for the behavior at the booth.
If you think you can do Fosdem better in the future, i politely suggest that you get more involved.
See above. Apart from the missing time, I don't think it makes sense to get involved at FOSDEM because I speak nether french nor dutch.
A polite email with Frederic is still the way to go here.
BTW: I think I was polite, so there is no reason for ill will. I don't know why you and others react so harsh. Maybe it is because I'm used to cope with criticism differently than others. Really, I didn't want to flame anybody or point fingers and I don't think I did.
Regards, Christoph
Am Donnerstag, den 18.02.2010, 20:56 +0100 schrieb Gerold Kassube:
In the second we have FOUR hacking;
I don't know what you see, but I see at least 6 (most likely 7 because there is another laptop on the left) people behind the booth in the second scene. All the laptops one can see are turned to the back of the booth and not a single one is acting as a demo laptop for the visitors.
I hope to see you all again soon hacking in the (@ FOSDEM not existing) FEDORA HACKING room and not behind or at the booth ...
+1
... as we did (thanks Paul for the reminder) at Linuxtag in 2009. And to be honest; I pleased as far as I remember at least ONE person (dunno know who it was) from the booth with the private Laptop [but there were rooms for hackings of the projects]
I think you do know who that person was, but you are to polite to name him in public. It was me! But I wasn't hacking or checking my mails, I used my private laptop to show a visitor something that I couldn't show at the demo-laptops. All of them were in use and none had LXDE or Xfce installed.
So your "no private laptops at the booth" policy from Linuxtag turns out to be counterproductive. If we are really going to ratify an official policy for booth behavior, I don't want that part in there. For most events it's not even feasible because we only have private laptops.
Please let me summarize, as I'm not going to reply to further mails: What I have asked for is nothing but common sense: We all know that it's impolite to turn your back to a person, to sit while he/she has to stand or to not look up when somebody comes along. Do we really need a policy for polite behavior? I hope not.
All the best
Gerold
Regards, Christoph
2010/2/18 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com: <snip>
I think you do know who that person was, but you are to polite to name him in public. It was me! But I wasn't hacking or checking my mails, I used my private laptop to show a visitor something that I couldn't show at the demo-laptops. All of them were in use and none had LXDE or Xfce installed.
So your "no private laptops at the booth" policy from Linuxtag turns out to be counterproductive. If we are really going to ratify an official policy for booth behavior, I don't want that part in there. For most events it's not even feasible because we only have private laptops.
Please let me summarize, as I'm not going to reply to further mails: What I have asked for is nothing but common sense: We all know that it's impolite to turn your back to a person, to sit while he/she has to stand or to not look up when somebody comes along. Do we really need a policy for polite behavior? I hope not.
I think it's a matter of asking common sense from the right people. Sending a broadcast message to this mailing list is nowhere near as effective as going straight to the leader of the group. You get the leader to agree to do things better, and the rest of the group will fall in line. We don't need a policy that tells people how to behave, yes, we're not robots. What we really do need is leadership at events that will go over to someone and politely suggest 'you know, perhaps you should take your laptop upstairs to the hacking room.'
90% of it is what the message is, but the other half is how it's delivered. This is what it means to be professional.
-Yaakov
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Yaakov Nemoy loupgaroublond@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's a matter of asking common sense from the right people. Sending a broadcast message to this mailing list is nowhere near as effective as going straight to the leader of the group. You get the leader to agree to do things better, and the rest of the group will fall in line. We don't need a policy that tells people how to behave, yes, we're not robots. What we really do need is leadership at events that will go over to someone and politely suggest 'you know, perhaps you should take your laptop upstairs to the hacking room.'
90% of it is what the message is, but the other half is how it's delivered. This is what it means to be professional.
On the other hand by raising the issue at least in the abstract here it made a lot of ambassadors and event owners think about their own behavior again. And I think that is a good thing really to be reminded about now and then.
John
On Thursday 18 February 2010 21:11:51 Christoph Wickert wrote:
This is why I request to set a general policy for all ambassadors at all events. Or let me put it different: I don't think we need an official policy ratified by FAmSCo, common sense should be sufficient. The time at an event is too precious to waste it with hacking.
Once again, Christoph thanks for sharing your critics, i personally think you are on the wrong way - but i am on that Video so i am biased ;)
I do this Ambassador Job since years and always had and will have my Laptop on the booth for doing my Job - even Alan Cox worked at a Fedora booth ;) http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-expo-day-2.html
Not all events are equal - as example on foss.in it is required to get something done during the event. At the booth people come by - and if they see you are busy, they ask "hey, what are you working on?" can i help you? Amazing!!! During foss.in the official Fedora Security Spins Page and also the new Dorrie Interface was done at the booth - i think this is great!!!
Some values that Mentors give new Candidates anyway:
be prepared, responsive, kind and levelheaded - and maybe dressed proper ;) Most important - have fun!!!
cu Joerg
On Thursday 18 February 2010 21:11:51 Christoph Wickert wrote:
This is why I request to set a general policy for all ambassadors at all events. Or let me put it different: I don't think we need an official policy ratified by FAmSCo, common sense should be sufficient. The time at an event is too precious to waste it with hacking.
Once again, Christoph thanks for sharing your critics, i personally think you are on the wrong way - but i am on that Video so i am biased ;)
I do this Ambassador Job since years and always had and will have my Laptop on the booth for doing my Job - even Alan Cox worked at a Fedora booth ;) http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-expo-day-2.html
Not all events are equal - as example on foss.in it is required to get something done during the event. At the booth people come by - and if they see you are busy, they ask "hey, what are you working on?" can i help you? Amazing!!! During foss.in the official Fedora Security Spins Page and also the new Dorrie Interface was done at the booth - i think this is great!!!
Some values that Mentors give new Candidates anyway:
be prepared, responsive, kind and levelheaded - and maybe dressed proper ;)
^^ +2
Most important - have fun!!!
^^ here you missed two things: "... a lot of ..." and at the end " ..."
CU all soon
Gerold
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:44:12AM +0100, Joerg Simon wrote:
Some values that Mentors give new Candidates anyway:
be prepared, responsive, kind and levelheaded - and maybe dressed proper ;) Most important - have fun!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen to that!
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:44:12AM +0100, Joerg Simon wrote:
Some values that Mentors give new Candidates anyway:
be prepared, responsive, kind and levelheaded - and maybe dressed proper
;)
Most important - have fun!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^Amen to that!
+1
This should be standard practice for all ambassadors, no matter when and where they represent Fedora and or FOSS ;-)
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