On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 05:01:06PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
The quantities and whether the alternative DVD will be produced is at the discretion of the regions because the production is paid from their budgets and they're the closest to users, so they should know the best what they need.
I think this is a good idea, particularly because the Ambassadors (both globally and regionally) should be best-placed in the project to judge media demand.
We should make sure to plan some budget for this (both in the remainder of this year and for next FY), and I think that we should to expand this even beyond per-region to considering per-event requests. At most events, we want to promote our unified Fedora message as designed by the marketing team, but there are other situations as well:
a. "grassroots' events like LUG meetings, where the ambassador on the ground may be involved primarily because of their work on or interest in KDE or some other spin. (And this isn't just desktops; I'd support some funding for making media for the robotics spin for a robotics meetup, if someone wanted to do that — Fedora _is_ the OS of choice for the world's best RoboCup team!)
b. Linux fests and events where we know that the audience's primary interest is going to be how the desktop they care about works on Fedora, not our Fedora Workstation developer target.
Matthew Miller píše v St 01. 10. 2014 v 11:53 -0400:
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 05:01:06PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
The quantities and whether the alternative DVD will be produced is at the discretion of the regions because the production is paid from their budgets and they're the closest to users, so they should know the best what they need.
I think this is a good idea, particularly because the Ambassadors (both globally and regionally) should be best-placed in the project to judge media demand.
We should make sure to plan some budget for this (both in the remainder of this year and for next FY), and I think that we should to expand this even beyond per-region to considering per-event requests. At most events, we want to promote our unified Fedora message as designed by the marketing team, but there are other situations as well:
a. "grassroots' events like LUG meetings, where the ambassador on the ground may be involved primarily because of their work on or interest in KDE or some other spin. (And this isn't just desktops; I'd support some funding for making media for the robotics spin for a robotics meetup, if someone wanted to do that — Fedora _is_ the OS of choice for the world's best RoboCup team!)
b. Linux fests and events where we know that the audience's primary interest is going to be how the desktop they care about works on Fedora, not our Fedora Workstation developer target.
The standard media production should be planned in regional budgets. At least we have money for it in the EMEA budget.
We don't have money for special media for particular events. That's something we may be able to cover from reserves (if we have any :) ). There is also a practical problem with production. The vendor we're using doesn't even produce pressed DVDs in quantities under 1000 and burnt DVDs are pretty expensive (up to $1.5 per DVD). DVD production in small quantities is expensive.
Jiri
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 06:07:05PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
We don't have money for special media for particular events. That's something we may be able to cover from reserves (if we have any :) ).
As I understand it, there's at least some.
There is also a practical problem with production. The vendor we're using doesn't even produce pressed DVDs in quantities under 1000 and burnt DVDs are pretty expensive (up to $1.5 per DVD). DVD production in small quantities is expensive.
Optical drives are an increasing rarity in new computers. They'll be going the way of the floppy soon enough. I think that for next year, we should deemphasize DVDs overall, instead focusing on fliers and promotional material. I know this is _also_ an extra cost, but I think it would be worth printing these on demand per-event with event-specific URLs, so we can better judge return rates.
If we move to USB sticks (rather than just ditching media altogether), I think we should follow the suggestions from earlier threads and raise the bar for getting one — perhaps even to the point of asking people to sign up for a Fedora account (and promising no spam, of course) if they don't have one, and visiting Badges to get the badge for that conference.
On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 12:31 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
If we move to USB sticks
I found these, which look really interesting:
They're quite expensive when bought in packs of 4, but I wonder if we can mass order and get a much better rate.
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 06:30:14PM +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
If we move to USB sticks
I found these, which look really interesting: http://www.gigs2gousb.com/
Those _are_ kind of cool. But let's figure out the specifics of vendors once we figure out what we actually want to do. Jiri says we're competing with a unit price of $0.35, so it's guaranteed that the USB sticks will cost a lot more no matter what.
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 07:02:24PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
I found these, which look really interesting: http://www.gigs2gousb.com/
Those _are_ kind of cool. But let's figure out the specifics of vendors once we figure out what we actually want to do. Jiri says we're competing with a unit price of $0.35, so it's guaranteed that the USB sticks will cost a lot more no matter what.
Of course, if we can't fix https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148087, then it doesn't matter what the price difference is. :)
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 07:02:24PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
If we move to USB sticks
I found these, which look really interesting: http://www.gigs2gousb.com/
Those _are_ kind of cool. But let's figure out the specifics of vendors once we figure out what we actually want to do. Jiri says we're competing with a unit price of $0.35, so it's guaranteed that the USB sticks will cost a lot more no matter what.
And just for reference, I checked, and even in big quantities, these are still in the range of $4-5 each (with custom logo and data preloaded). And that's not even guaranteeing that that's a vendor we can deal with.
On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 10:53 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
And just for reference, I checked, and even in big quantities, these are still in the range of $4-5 each (with custom logo and data preloaded). And that's not even guaranteeing that that's a vendor we can deal with.
Yeah. I checked with the customUSB folks too. It's going to be 3-4$ which really doesn't come any where close to what DVDs cost us.
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