f14 to use upstart instead of systemd

[Daniel VanStone]

Hello Ambassadors,

I just thought that other ambassadors may want know this information.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:04:06PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  As a quick reminder, we might have to update any marketing material
>  regarding systemd
>  
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-14-to-use-Upstart-not-syste...

It is from the marketing list.

Daniel

[Jukka Palander, IT Development Spain]

On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 07:32 -0500, Daniel VanStone wrote:
>  Hello Ambassadors,
>  
>  I just thought that other ambassadors may want know this information.
>  
>  On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:04:06PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  > Hi
>  > 
>  > As a quick reminder, we might have to update any marketing material
>  > regarding systemd
>  > 
>  >
>  http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-14-to-use-Upstart-not-syste...
>  
>  It is from the marketing list.
>  
>  Daniel 

I do not get it. This is confusing!

Some of the news say:

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-14-to-use-Upstart-not-syste...

"Fedora 14 to use Upstart not systemd" (this headline clearly states
that it _will_ use the Upstart!!)

"The Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) has decided to use
Upstart instead of systemd"

..and then the text there switch it "upside down" by saying:

"Systemd, an alternative to SysV Init and Upstart, released in late
April and used in the alpha of Fedora 14, is now scheduled to become
part of the standard system in Fedora 15."

...and then again some say it will use systemd instead than others:

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/First-pre-release-version-of-Fedor...

"The most profound change is a behind the scenes switch to systemd, an
alternative to sysvinit and upstart released in May. Lately Fedora has
been using upstart to launch the system and services, but has continued
to use sysvinit scripts."


So, systemd or Upstart? Which one????

[Juan J. Martínez]

El mié, 22-09-2010 a las 14:54 +0200, Jukka Palander escribió:
>  [...]
>  So, systemd or Upstart? Which one???? 
Check this thread [1]:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/139803/focus=139851

So it seems F14 will ship upstart and systemd will be default in F15.

Cheers,

Juanjo

[1] Via this post (in Italian, but since Spanish it's my first
language... I can understand almost 100%):
http://morefedora.blogspot.com/2010/09/systemd-rinviato-fedora-15.html


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[Daniel VanStone]

On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:50 +0200, Jukka Palander wrote:
>  On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 07:32 -0500, Daniel VanStone wrote:> Hello
> Ambassadors,>=
>   > I just thought that other ambassadors may want know this information.>=
>   > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:04:06PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:> > Hi>=
>   > > > As a quick reminder, we might have to update any marketing material>=
>   > regarding systemd> > > >>
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-14-to-use-Upstart-not-syste...
>   > It is from the marketing list.> > DanielI do not get it. This is
> confusing!Some=
>   of the news
> say:http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-14-to-use-Upstart-not-s...
>   14 to use Upstart not systemd" (this headline clearly statesthat it _will_=
>   use the Upstart!!)"The Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) has=
>   decided to useUpstart instead of systemd"..and then the text there switch=
>   it "upside down" by saying:"Systemd, an alternative to SysV Init and
> Upstart,=
>   released in lateApril and used in the alpha of Fedora 14, is now scheduled=
>   to becomepart of the standard system in Fedora 15."...and then again some=
>   say it will use systemd instead than
> others:http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/First-pre-release-version-o...
>   most profound change is a behind the scenes switch to systemd, analternative=
>   to sysvinit and upstart released in May. Lately Fedora hasbeen using upstart=
>   to launch the system and services, but has continuedto use sysvinit scripts."So,=
>   systemd or Upstart? Which one????--ambassadors mailing
> [e-mail]://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>   
from reading the article it appears that f14 will use upstart and f15
will use systemd.
The 'prerelease' version of f14 used systemd also but I read that it
will not be used in the release.

Daniel

[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 09/22/2010 06:24 PM, Jukka Palander wrote:
>   So, systemd or Upstart? Which one???? 
Fedora has been using upstart by default since Fedora 9
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart) and will continue to do
so for Fedora 14 as well.  Fedora 14 Alpha shipped with systemd by
default for evaluating the feasibility of switching to it but FESCo has
decided to postpone the switch till Fedora 15.  In current Rawhide,
systemd has become default again and has obsoleted upstart completely in
anticipation of making it default for Fedora 15.   If you have any
questions left, let me know.

Rahul

[David Ramsey]

Hello Everyone,



Greetings. :)

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>  Fedora has been using upstart by default since Fedora 9 
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart) and will continue to do
 so for Fedora 14 as well.  Fedora 14 Alpha shipped with systemd by 
default for evaluating the feasibility of switching to it but FESCo has 
decided to postpone the switch till Fedora 15.

That is very logical and makes sense to me.  +1 for your explanation and clarity.  :)
====================================================
>  In current Rawhide,  
systemd has become default again and has
obsoleted upstart completely in
 anticipation of making it default for Fedora 15.   If you have any 
questions left, let me know.

Rahul, I tried out Systemd during the Testing Days on 2010-09-07  -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-07_Systemd since Systemd is not on
initially on Fedora 14 rawhide, how do I start Systemd?  Is there a reference wiki/link or
other information to do so?  Thank you for your time and help.  :)
====================================================
Sending positive Fedora 13 and Fedora 14 energy from my computer to yours.  :)

Let's all help make Fedora 14 a great release!!!  A Fedora 14 Release Party is in my
mind.  :v)


Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)



Thank You

Sincerely

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- David -

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[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 09/23/2010 05:42 AM, David Ramsey wrote:
>  Rahul, I tried out Systemd during the Testing Days on 2010-09-07  -
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-07_Systemd since
>  Systemd is not on initially on Fedora 14 rawhide, how do I start
>  Systemd?  Is there a reference wiki/link or other information to do
>  so?  Thank you for your time and help.  :) 
Rawhide has systemd by default and you don't need to do anything special
to test it.  If you are testing systemd in Fedora 14, you will have to
pass init=/bin/systemd as a boot option since the current default is
upstart.   Note that testing systemd in Fedora 14 might not be as useful
as testing Rawhide since it is unlikely to get any updates for Fedora 14.

Rahul

[David Ramsey]

Hello Everyone,

Greetings. :)

Rahul, thank you for your posting.  :)

>  Rawhide has systemd by default and you don't need to do anything
> special to test it. If you are testing systemd in Fedora 14, you will have to pass
> init=/bin/systemd as a boot option since the current default is upstart. Note that testing
> systemd in Fedora 14 might not be as useful as testing Rawhide since it is unlikely to get
> any updates for Fedora 14.
>  
Very logical indeed and this makes sense to me.  I was reading articles which sort of
confused me about what default for systemd, now I have a clearer picture.  :)

Sending positive Fedora 13 and Fedora 14 energy to your computer.  :v)

Please have a ｇreat day and/or evening! :~)

Thank You
Sincerely
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- David -
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David Ramsey
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一石二鳥
いっせきにちょう
One stone; two birds.
To kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey(a)fedoraproject.org
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 12　(Constantine) kernel
- 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13　(Goddard) kernel -
2.6.33.5-131.fc13.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13　(Goddard) and
Security Spin kernel - 2.6.33.5-112.fc13.i686.PAE
* One (1) dual core system with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 14　kernel -
2.6.35.5-30.fc14.i686.PAE
* One (1) dual core system with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Red Hat 6　(Beta) kernel -
2.6.32-19.el6.i686
With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of RAM and four SATA　Seagate 7200.12 500 GB
harddisks.
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