[FAmSCo] Ambassador's inactivity: policy change proposal

[Robert Mayr]

Dear all,
we have just finished our regular ambassador's activity check and set
the ambassador's accounts which were not active for the last 18 months
to "inactive".
See our policy if you are not comfortable with this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService#Inactive_Amb...

However, the Infrastructure team raised some concerns about this rule,
as we are setting accounts globally as inactive/disabled, and they
asked the Council for a project wide decision to make that happen. The
Council will discuss if we will have this policy or not, but also
advised FAmSCo to handle this issue in the meanwhile by removing those
accounts from the FAS group, instead of setting them to inactive.

I have written down a proposal, where you will find more informations
about the process and about how we would like to reactivate people if
they like to come back. Please read it carefully and look also into
the discussions on Infra and Council pagure before making your own
opinion.

FAmSCo is going to follow the Council's advise, but for openness and
transparency we would like to get community feedback, as we did when
this rule has been put in place.
We also want to get this discussed during your next regional meeting,
so if we miss to reach out to your chairs and anyone of you is
attending the next meeting, please add it to your agenda.

Please use this discussion if you like to give us feedback.
Thank you.

Kind regards.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Tshepo Tamajobe]

Hey Robert, I have been inactive for quite some time now, and do wish start
making huge contributions. How do I go about that?

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  Dear all,
>  we have just finished our regular ambassador's activity check and set
>  the ambassador's accounts which were not active for the last 18 months
>  to "inactive".
>  See our policy if you are not comfortable with this:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService#Inactive_
>  Ambassadors
>
>  However, the Infrastructure team raised some concerns about this rule,
>  as we are setting accounts globally as inactive/disabled, and they
>  asked the Council for a project wide decision to make that happen. The
>  Council will discuss if we will have this policy or not, but also
>  advised FAmSCo to handle this issue in the meanwhile by removing those
>  accounts from the FAS group, instead of setting them to inactive.
>
>  I have written down a proposal, where you will find more informations
>  about the process and about how we would like to reactivate people if
>  they like to come back. Please read it carefully and look also into
>  the discussions on Infra and Council pagure before making your own
>  opinion.
>
>  FAmSCo is going to follow the Council's advise, but for openness and
>  transparency we would like to get community feedback, as we did when
>  this rule has been put in place.
>  We also want to get this discussed during your next regional meeting,
>  so if we miss to reach out to your chairs and anyone of you is
>  attending the next meeting, please add it to your agenda.
>
>  Please use this discussion if you like to give us feedback.
>  Thank you.
>
>  Kind regards.
>
>  --
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck)
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>

[María Leandro]

Morning all.

I would like to discuss further the "inactive" status of an ambassador.
It's true that we have a load of ambassadors that are mostly active in
other groups and that is definitely a +1 (packagers, designers, coders,
etc), however, what will "inactive ambassador" mean?

An ambassador...

* Hasn't participated on an event for over 18 months?
* Hasn't write a blog post for over 18 months?
* Hasn't participated on mailing lists or IRC or X for 18 months?

The ambassador role is to be a people person, so, will we consider the
inactivity as a people person or as a Fedora member?

See ya!

2017-04-27 3:45 GMT-04:00 Tshepo Tamajobe <tamajobetshepo(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  Hey Robert, I have been inactive for quite some time now, and do
> wish
>  start making huge contributions. How do I go about that?
>
>  On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> > we have just finished our regular ambassador's activity check and set
> > the ambassador's accounts which were not active for the last 18 months
> > to "inactive".
> > See our policy if you are not comfortable with this:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService
> > #Inactive_Ambassadors
> >
> > However, the Infrastructure team raised some concerns about this rule,
> > as we are setting accounts globally as inactive/disabled, and they
> > asked the Council for a project wide decision to make that happen. The
> > Council will discuss if we will have this policy or not, but also
> > advised FAmSCo to handle this issue in the meanwhile by removing those
> > accounts from the FAS group, instead of setting them to inactive.
> >
> > I have written down a proposal, where you will find more informations
> > about the process and about how we would like to reactivate people if
> > they like to come back. Please read it carefully and look also into
> > the discussions on Infra and Council pagure before making your own
> > opinion.
> >
> > FAmSCo is going to follow the Council's advise, but for openness and
> > transparency we would like to get community feedback, as we did when
> > this rule has been put in place.
> > We also want to get this discussed during your next regional meeting,
> > so if we miss to reach out to your chairs and anyone of you is
> > attending the next meeting, please add it to your agenda.
> >
> > Please use this discussion if you like to give us feedback.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Kind regards.
> >
> > --
> > Robert Mayr
> > (robyduck)
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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tatica
Maria Gracia Leandro
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[Robert Mayr]

2017-04-27 15:06 GMT+02:00 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Morning all.
>
>  I would like to discuss further the "inactive" status of an ambassador.
> It's
>  true that we have a load of ambassadors that are mostly active in other
>  groups and that is definitely a +1 (packagers, designers, coders, etc),
>  however, what will "inactive ambassador" mean?
>
>  An ambassador...
>
>  * Hasn't participated on an event for over 18 months?
>  * Hasn't write a blog post for over 18 months?
>  * Hasn't participated on mailing lists or IRC or X for 18 months? 
...didn't any activity in Fedora World we can measure with fedmsg.
That means he never logged into his account or any app, or wrote a
post to the ML, blogpost or whatever for one and a half year!
This is not related only to the ambassadors group but to any group
activity. If an ambassador is not doing much anymore around events,
but contributes to packaging, he will never be considered "inactive".
Is this clearer now?


>  The ambassador role is to be a people person, so, will we consider
> the
>  inactivity as a people person or as a Fedora member? 
That's why we want to keep the 18 months period. Ambassador's
activities are often different to technical activity, which is much
more measurable.
We consider an ambassador both, a people person, but also a Fedora
member. And as Fedora Ambassador he needs to be up to date with news,
features etc Fedora produces almost for every release.
If an ambassador doesn't update himself, then he will give bad or
wrong answers to end users at events for example. And Ambassadors give
voice to Fedora, so if an end user gets wrong answers to his questions
or is not satisfied with the discussion with one of our ambassadors,
he will consider Fedora wrong as a whole and will pass over to other
distributions.
I think, if you don't

>  See ya! 
Cheers!

>  --
>  tatica
>  Maria Gracia Leandro
>  http://www.tatica.org
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
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Regards.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)