Hey, folks
The thought that get me joining ambassador team was "I want to help". I had a lot of enthusiasm but no direction at all. I constantly kept thinking about ways to help and nothing (good) would come up. Them I thought: "there should be guidelines, like scripts of things. to this that way and you'll be helping" to guide those like me.
Well, I don't know where else it would be applicable, but at first a thought about applying that to presentations. I know there's already a presentation session http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations on the wiki. But it seems to me like a deposit of already made presentations. Things there are really confusing, disorganized and out dated. I was about to write that no one updates it anymore, but looking at the history I saw recent modifications, the latest on being from Mspevack, and the diff showed:
''THIS PAGE DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. ALL OUTDATED PRESENTATIONS SHOULD BE ARCHIVED, AND CURRENT PRESENTATIONS SHOULD BE DESCRIBED IN GREATER DETAIL.'''
Ha!
I had a training once from a big company and saw that the guy had those guidelines, what's important in that slide, what correlated subject he could talk about, the duration, etc. and the slide itself, of course.
What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us with the willing but without directions.
Rafael Liu
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us with the willing but without directions.
I would be happy to work with you.
The workflow seems clear to me:
1) Inventory all pages on the wiki where we have presentations. - /Presentations - /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations - Others?
2) Consolidate everything into one page, probably living at /Presentations
3) Create a /Presentations/Archive for old or outdated talks.
4) Inventory the "current" talks into categories based on subject matter or "potential audience", and have a clear description, owner, and "last updated" field for each talk. Do this in a way that makes it easy for someone to take a slide deck, translate it, and make that translation available as well.
5) Designate someone (I volunteer) to be the overall gatekeeper who makes sure that the content we are making available is current, and that old presentations are archived when it's time.
--Max
My original intention was something more wide than just organization.. But that's a first step, let's work on this then we see where do we head from it.
I didn't know about the /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page. It's really more like I would like /Presentations to be, with all that Abstract and Target Audience stuff. I'm not saying we should make such descriptions for past presentations, but we should structure the page so people know that there are fields that should be filled. I think those fields shoud be:
Abstract: what's this presentation about? Maybe software versions too Target Audience: technical guys, publicity, students, etc Date: when was it created Format: odp, pdf, etc Language: language Notes: general notes
(maybe people would give up when see all those fields? hehe =p)
Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page (maybe on a session of their own).
I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes presentations.
What do you think?
Rafael Liu
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Max Spevack mspevack@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by
subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us with the willing but without directions.
I would be happy to work with you.
The workflow seems clear to me:
- Inventory all pages on the wiki where we have presentations.
- /Presentations
- /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations
- Others?
Consolidate everything into one page, probably living at /Presentations
Create a /Presentations/Archive for old or outdated talks.
Inventory the "current" talks into categories based on subject matter or
"potential audience", and have a clear description, owner, and "last updated" field for each talk. Do this in a way that makes it easy for someone to take a slide deck, translate it, and make that translation available as well.
- Designate someone (I volunteer) to be the overall gatekeeper who makes
sure that the content we are making available is current, and that old presentations are archived when it's time.
--Max
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oh, just sow the two presentations are yours, hehe there wouldn't be a problem then I guess =)
Rafael Liu
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:25 PM, rafael liu rafaelliu@gmail.com wrote:
My original intention was something more wide than just organization.. But that's a first step, let's work on this then we see where do we head from it.
I didn't know about the /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page. It's really more like I would like /Presentations to be, with all that Abstract and Target Audience stuff. I'm not saying we should make such descriptions for past presentations, but we should structure the page so people know that there are fields that should be filled. I think those fields shoud be:
Abstract: what's this presentation about? Maybe software versions too Target Audience: technical guys, publicity, students, etc Date: when was it created Format: odp, pdf, etc Language: language Notes: general notes
(maybe people would give up when see all those fields? hehe =p)
Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page (maybe on a session of their own).
I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes presentations.
What do you think?
Rafael Liu
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Max Spevack mspevack@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by
subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us with the willing but without directions.
I would be happy to work with you.
The workflow seems clear to me:
- Inventory all pages on the wiki where we have presentations.
- /Presentations
- /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations
- Others?
Consolidate everything into one page, probably living at /Presentations
Create a /Presentations/Archive for old or outdated talks.
Inventory the "current" talks into categories based on subject matter
or "potential audience", and have a clear description, owner, and "last updated" field for each talk. Do this in a way that makes it easy for someone to take a slide deck, translate it, and make that translation available as well.
- Designate someone (I volunteer) to be the overall gatekeeper who makes
sure that the content we are making available is current, and that old presentations are archived when it's time.
--Max
-- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page (maybe on a session of their own).
I maintain that other page, so I'm happy to migrate. The *reason* I have a separate CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page was just to escape the clutter of the main /Presentations page, so if we clean up /Presentations, it will solve everything.
I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes presentations.
What do you think?
That's great. Thank you! And I realize your initial goal was wider. Let's start here, and eventually we'll get to your larger goal. :)
--Max
I've been quit busy, sorry for the delay. I started creating a doc with the archives and their dates but after a few presentations I realized that they all had the same date. There has been a migration and all docs have the same date. The docs themselves don't have dates.
What do you sugest? We could create a /NewPresentations where new presentations post would follow the field schema. And there would be a link to /NewPresentation in the /Presentation page together with a warning stating to post presentations in /NewPresentation.
After a time /NewPresentation would become /Presentation and /Presentation would become /OldPresentation. Otherwise, if we moved all /Presentation to /OldPresentation now we would have a blank presentation page..
Rafael Liu
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Max Spevack mspevack@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to
CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page (maybe on a session of their own).
I maintain that other page, so I'm happy to migrate. The *reason* I have a separate CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page was just to escape the clutter of the main /Presentations page, so if we clean up /Presentations, it will solve everything.
I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date
on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes presentations.
What do you think?
That's great. Thank you! And I realize your initial goal was wider. Let's start here, and eventually we'll get to your larger goal. :)
--Max
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Have you given up?
Rafael Liu
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:21 PM, rafael liu rafaelliu@gmail.com wrote:
I've been quit busy, sorry for the delay. I started creating a doc with the archives and their dates but after a few presentations I realized that they all had the same date. There has been a migration and all docs have the same date. The docs themselves don't have dates.
What do you sugest? We could create a /NewPresentations where new presentations post would follow the field schema. And there would be a link to /NewPresentation in the /Presentation page together with a warning stating to post presentations in /NewPresentation.
After a time /NewPresentation would become /Presentation and /Presentation would become /OldPresentation. Otherwise, if we moved all /Presentation to /OldPresentation now we would have a blank presentation page..
Rafael Liu
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Max Spevack mspevack@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to
CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page (maybe on a session of their own).
I maintain that other page, so I'm happy to migrate. The *reason* I have a separate CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page was just to escape the clutter of the main /Presentations page, so if we clean up /Presentations, it will solve everything.
I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the
date on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes presentations.
What do you think?
That's great. Thank you! And I realize your initial goal was wider. Let's start here, and eventually we'll get to your larger goal. :)
--Max
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