Pre-made presentations

[rafaelliu]

Hey, folks

The thought that get me joining ambassador team was "I want to help". I had
a lot of enthusiasm but no direction at all. I constantly kept thinking
about ways to help and nothing (good) would come up. Them I thought: "there
should be guidelines, like scripts of things. to this that way and you'll be
helping" to guide those like me.

Well, I don't know where else it would be applicable, but at first a thought
about applying that to presentations. I know there's already a presentation
session <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations> on the wiki. But it
seems to me like a deposit of already made presentations. Things there are
really confusing, disorganized and out dated. I was about to write that no
one updates it anymore, but looking at the history I saw recent
modifications, the latest on being from Mspevack, and the diff showed:

''THIS PAGE DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. ALL OUTDATED PRESENTATIONS
SHOULD BE ARCHIVED, AND CURRENT PRESENTATIONS SHOULD BE DESCRIBED IN GREATER
DETAIL.'''

Ha!

I had a training once from a big company and saw that the guy had those
guidelines, what's important in that slide, what correlated subject he could
talk about, the duration, etc. and the slide itself, of course.

What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by
subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should
flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by
experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor
of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us
with the willing but without directions.

Rafael Liu

[Max Spevack]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:

>  What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized
>
>  by subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation 
>  should flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, 
>  revised by experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm 
>  talking in favor of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because 
>  there are those of us with the willing but without directions. 
I would be happy to work with you.

The workflow seems clear to me:

1) Inventory all pages on the wiki where we have presentations.
  - /Presentations
  - /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations
  - Others?

2) Consolidate everything into one page, probably living at 
/Presentations

3) Create a /Presentations/Archive for old or outdated talks.

4) Inventory the "current" talks into categories based on subject matter 
or "potential audience", and have a clear description, owner, and "last 
updated" field for each talk.  Do this in a way that makes it easy for 
someone to take a slide deck, translate it, and make that translation 
available as well.

5) Designate someone (I volunteer) to be the overall gatekeeper who 
makes sure that the content we are making available is current, and that 
old presentations are archived when it's time.

--Max

[rafaelliu]

My original intention was something more wide than just organization.. But
that's a first step, let's work on this then we see where do we head from
it.

I didn't know about the /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page. It's
really more like I would like /Presentations to be, with all that Abstract
and Target Audience stuff. I'm not saying we should make such descriptions
for past presentations, but we should structure the page so people know that
there are fields that should be filled. I think those fields shoud be:

Abstract: what's this presentation about? Maybe software versions too
Target Audience: technical guys, publicity, students, etc
Date: when was it created
Format: odp, pdf, etc
Language: language
Notes: general notes

(maybe people would give up when see all those fields? hehe =p)

Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to
CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page
(maybe on a session of their own).

I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date
on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes
presentations.

What do you think?

Rafael Liu



On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
>
>   What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by
> > subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should
> > flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by
> > experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor
> > of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us
> > with the willing but without directions.
> >
>
>  I would be happy to work with you.
>
>  The workflow seems clear to me:
>
>  1) Inventory all pages on the wiki where we have presentations.
>   - /Presentations
>   - /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations
>   - Others?
>
>  2) Consolidate everything into one page, probably living at /Presentations
>
>  3) Create a /Presentations/Archive for old or outdated talks.
>
>  4) Inventory the "current" talks into categories based on subject matter or
>  "potential audience", and have a clear description, owner, and "last
>  updated" field for each talk.  Do this in a way that makes it easy for
>  someone to take a slide deck, translate it, and make that translation
>  available as well.
>
>  5) Designate someone (I volunteer) to be the overall gatekeeper who makes
>  sure that the content we are making available is current, and that old
>  presentations are archived when it's time.
>
>  --Max
>
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>

[rafaelliu]

oh, just sow the two presentations are yours, hehe there wouldn't be a
problem then I guess =)

Rafael Liu



On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:25 PM, rafael liu <rafaelliu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  My original intention was something more wide than just
> organization.. But
>  that's a first step, let's work on this then we see where do we head from
>  it.
>
>  I didn't know about the /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page. It's
>  really more like I would like /Presentations to be, with all that Abstract
>  and Target Audience stuff. I'm not saying we should make such descriptions
>  for past presentations, but we should structure the page so people know that
>  there are fields that should be filled. I think those fields shoud be:
>
>  Abstract: what's this presentation about? Maybe software versions too
>  Target Audience: technical guys, publicity, students, etc
>  Date: when was it created
>  Format: odp, pdf, etc
>  Language: language
>  Notes: general notes
>
>  (maybe people would give up when see all those fields? hehe =p)
>
>  Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to
>  CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page
>  (maybe on a session of their own).
>
>  I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date
>  on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes
>  presentations.
>
>  What do you think?
>
>  Rafael Liu
>
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
> >
> >  What do you think about getting a session with the slides, organized by
> >> subject and maybe depth with the guidelines on how the presentation should
> >> flow? Slides made thinking about it, standardize, updated, revised by
> >> experts on that area in the community. It may seem like I'm talking in favor
> >> of dumb, incapable people, but it's really because there are those of us
> >> with the willing but without directions.
> >>
> >
> > I would be happy to work with you.
> >
> > The workflow seems clear to me:
> >
> > 1) Inventory all pages on the wiki where we have presentations.
> >  - /Presentations
> >  - /CommunityArchitecture/Presentations
> >  - Others?
> >
> > 2) Consolidate everything into one page, probably living at /Presentations
> >
> > 3) Create a /Presentations/Archive for old or outdated talks.
> >
> > 4) Inventory the "current" talks into categories based on subject matter
> > or "potential audience", and have a clear description, owner, and
> "last
> > updated" field for each talk.  Do this in a way that makes it easy for
> > someone to take a slide deck, translate it, and make that translation
> > available as well.
> >
> > 5) Designate someone (I volunteer) to be the overall gatekeeper who makes
> > sure that the content we are making available is current, and that old
> > presentations are archived when it's time.
> >
> > --Max
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
> >
>
>

[Max Spevack]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:

>  Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to 
>  CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page 
>  (maybe on a session of their own). 
I maintain that other page, so I'm happy to migrate.  The *reason* I 
have a separate CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page was just to 
escape the clutter of the main /Presentations page, so if we clean up 
/Presentations, it will solve everything.

>  I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put
> the 
>  date on the description. We would maintain this format for these 
>  pre-our-changes presentations.
>
>  What do you think? 
That's great.  Thank you!  And I realize your initial goal was wider. 
Let's start here, and eventually we'll get to your larger goal.  :)

--Max

[rafaelliu]

I've been quit busy, sorry for the delay. I started creating a doc with the
archives and their dates but after a few presentations I realized that they
all had the same date. There has been a migration and all docs have the same
date. The docs themselves don't have dates.

What do you sugest? We could create a /NewPresentations where new
presentations post would follow the field schema. And there would be a link
to /NewPresentation in the /Presentation page together with a warning
stating to post presentations in /NewPresentation.

After a time /NewPresentation would become /Presentation and /Presentation
would become /OldPresentation. Otherwise, if we moved all /Presentation to
/OldPresentation now we would have a blank presentation page..

Rafael Liu



On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
>
>   Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to
> > CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page
> > (maybe on a session of their own).
> >
>
>  I maintain that other page, so I'm happy to migrate.  The *reason* I have a
>  separate CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page was just to escape the
>  clutter of the main /Presentations page, so if we clean up /Presentations,
>  it will solve everything.
>
>   I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the date
> > on the description. We would maintain this format for these pre-our-changes
> > presentations.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
>
>  That's great.  Thank you!  And I realize your initial goal was wider. Let's
>  start here, and eventually we'll get to your larger goal.  :)
>
>
>  --Max
>
>  --
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
>  Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
>

[rafaelliu]

Have you given up?

Rafael Liu



On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:21 PM, rafael liu <rafaelliu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  I've been quit busy, sorry for the delay. I started creating a
> doc with the
>  archives and their dates but after a few presentations I realized that they
>  all had the same date. There has been a migration and all docs have the same
>  date. The docs themselves don't have dates.
>
>  What do you sugest? We could create a /NewPresentations where new
>  presentations post would follow the field schema. And there would be a link
>  to /NewPresentation in the /Presentation page together with a warning
>  stating to post presentations in /NewPresentation.
>
>  After a time /NewPresentation would become /Presentation and /Presentation
>  would become /OldPresentation. Otherwise, if we moved all /Presentation to
>  /OldPresentation now we would have a blank presentation page..
>
>  Rafael Liu
>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, rafael liu wrote:
> >
> >  Can we really consolidate those two pages?.. Maybe we could talk to
> >> CommunityArchitecture team to post their presentations on the new page
> >> (maybe on a session of their own).
> >>
> >
> > I maintain that other page, so I'm happy to migrate.  The *reason* I have
> > a separate CommunityArchitecture/Presentations page was just to escape the
> > clutter of the main /Presentations page, so if we clean up /Presentations,
> > it will solve everything.
> >
> >  I'll order the presentations by date in their own session and put the
> >> date on the description. We would maintain this format for these
> >> pre-our-changes presentations.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >
> > That's great.  Thank you!  And I realize your initial goal was wider.
> > Let's start here, and eventually we'll get to your larger goal.  :)
> >
> >
> > --Max
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
> >
>
>