Hi all,
Finally, on the last meeting [1], regional community decided to support Phnom Penh as the next location for FUDCon APAC 2016. Although there are some small concerns/notes, we agreed to propose PP bid [2] as the only candidate.
According to the FUDCon bid process [3], we would like to bring it to FUDCon planning committee to review and make the final decision.
Please do not hesitate to ask any questions. Regional community and the organizing team will be more than happy to discuss any further stuffs.
Rgds, Tuan
[1] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-09-26/fedora-meeting.2... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016 [3]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
Hello,
There is no response for over 2 weeks. Any updates on this?
Rgds, Tuan
----- On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Truong Anh Tuan tuanta@iwayvietnam.com wrote:
Hi all,
Finally, on the last meeting [1], regional community decided to support Phnom Penh as the next location for FUDCon APAC 2016. Although there are some small concerns/notes, we agreed to propose PP bid [2] as the only candidate.
According to the FUDCon bid process [3], we would like to bring it to FUDCon planning committee to review and make the final decision.
Please do not hesitate to ask any questions. Regional community and the organizing team will be more than happy to discuss any further stuffs.
Rgds, Tuan
[1] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-09-26/fedora-meeting.2... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016 [3]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/council-discuss
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:15:16AM +0700, Truong Anh Tuan wrote:
There is no response for over 2 weeks. Any updates on this?
Well, we were partly waiting for the internal budget discussion we just had (see other thread).
One detail I'm interested in is the plan for 100 attendees but travel subsidies for just 12, if I'm reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016 right. How are those dozen selected? Are the other 88 expected to be locals, or will they be paying their own way? Is the target existing Fedora users, or new ones?
I'd also be interested in the suggestion of synergy with the Barcamp. If there's 3500-tech-interested people, why not focus on that event entirely and try to reach more than 100?
On a more general note, something for APAC region to consider... using very rough back-of-the-envelope calculations, the $17k proposed here could instead be used to get a dozen key contributors from APAC to Flock next year. How would doing that compare as value for the money in terms of overall benefit to the Fedora APAC community? (Not saying that's necessarily better — genuine question.)
On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 9:19 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On a more general note, something for APAC region to consider... using very rough back-of-the-envelope calculations, the $17k proposed here could instead be used to get a dozen key contributors from APAC to Flock next year. How would doing that compare as value for the money in terms of overall benefit to the Fedora APAC community? (Not saying that's necessarily better — genuine question.)
I think that'll benefit the key Flock participants, but wouldn't help as much to the Fedora APAC community. It would not serve the purpose of bringing Fedora APAC contributors together, or help to grow the Fedora APAC community. (just thinking aloud)
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On 10/15/2015 09:49 AM, pjp@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 9:19 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On a more general note, something for APAC region to consider... using very rough back-of-the-envelope calculations, the $17k proposed here could instead be used to get a dozen key contributors from APAC to Flock next year. How would doing that compare as value for the money in terms of overall benefit to the Fedora APAC community? (Not saying that's necessarily better — genuine question.)
I think that'll benefit the key Flock participants, but wouldn't help as much to the Fedora APAC community. It would not serve the purpose of bringing Fedora APAC contributors together, or help to grow the Fedora APAC community. (just thinking aloud)
I might be speculating but does this question arise because we don't see increase in number of contributors from APAC after an event like FUDCon APAC?
If that is the case, we might want to re-look at large event like FUDCon in this region and focus on having measurable ambassador programs and smaller local conferences which is not heavy on budget but good means to nurture and develop potential local Fedora contributors. We should look at Flock as a global event and fly key contributors from APAC. IMO, that will be more rewarding for people who really contribute. If we see the number of key contributors increase from this region then we can re-introduce FUDCon APAC?
My .2 cents.
Cheers, Sudhir
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Sudhir D sdharane@redhat.com wrote:
I might be speculating but does this question arise because we don't see increase in number of contributors from APAC after an event like FUDCon APAC?
I am unaware of any specific data set which helps arrive at the conclusion that increase in number of contributors occur after a large event viz. FUDCon. It is normal that during the course of the event (run-up and actual days) new participants would arrive; demonstrate interest; exhibit eagerness to participate; make their first steps to contributions.
The driving factor of contributions is the presence of mentors. The available set of mentors (across APAC) across a set of projects and initiatives within Fedora is not a large number. The important bit here is to balance "mentor burn-out" with a way to constantly have new contributions. For example, at PyCon India 2015, I realized that Fedora Infrastructure is seeing a steady up-tick in contributions (first patches; subsequent bits). And it would not be far fetched to observe this "heat map" and extrapolate the interest/skillset into other parts of the project.
If that is the case, we might want to re-look at large event like FUDCon in this region and focus on having measurable ambassador programs and smaller local conferences which is not heavy on budget but good means to nurture and develop potential local Fedora contributors.
Smaller events eg. FADs are a good way to bring together a smaller group of folks and solve a few problems. The flip side is that even FADs can be expensive if there is a whole group of Fedora folks undertaking international travel/stay.
We should look at Flock as a global event and fly key contributors from APAC. IMO, that will be more rewarding for people who really contribute. If we see the number of key contributors increase from this region then we can re-introduce FUDCon APAC?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I'd also be interested in the suggestion of synergy with the Barcamp. If there's 3500-tech-interested people, why not focus on that event entirely and try to reach more than 100?
This is probably a more nuanced articulation of a similar question I'd posted.
On a more general note, something for APAC region to consider... using very rough back-of-the-envelope calculations, the $17k proposed here could instead be used to get a dozen key contributors from APAC to Flock next year. How would doing that compare as value for the money in terms of overall benefit to the Fedora APAC community? (Not saying that's necessarily better — genuine question.)
Different objectives would be achieved. A part of the Fedora APAC community needs to identify geographical regions which are under-represented and then plan ways to increase participant and contributor base around the area. APAC is both a high population density and a large region, how large is the mid/long-term contributor spread around the zone? How can we plan to increase that? These are good questions to be planful with.
Enabling Flock participation of 'key' contributors creates an opportunity for such participants to drive the direction of their projects. It does not necessarily demand that they create similar paths for others in their own regions. Not that they have to (but just in case a 'trickle-down' was being thought of)
On 14 October 2015 at 21:18, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On a more general note, something for APAC region to consider... using very rough back-of-the-envelope calculations, the $17k proposed here could instead be used to get a dozen key contributors from APAC to Flock next year. How would doing that compare as value for the money in terms of overall benefit to the Fedora APAC community? (Not saying that's necessarily better — genuine question.)
Maybe we need to seriously reconsider the idea of having three premier events and have just one contributor event, Flock, once a year. This ought to also get rid of all of the "you have your FUDCon, why do you want to hog funds from our Flock" nonsense that seems to get spewed around in different ways.
If we do this however, we need to also rethink how we do user outreach.
Siddhesh
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:43:59AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
Maybe we need to seriously reconsider the idea of having three premier events and have just one contributor event, Flock, once a year. This ought to also get rid of all of the "you have your FUDCon, why do you want to hog funds from our Flock" nonsense that seems to get spewed around in different ways.
Let's avoid calling what other people in the project say "nonsense" or "spew". I mean in general, but also in this particular case I think that's a reasonable view if you think of Flock as "better FUDCon" rather than a whole different thing. I'm a strong advocate of it being a different thing, but let's be respectful of those with a different view (even — or especially — if we want to convince them otherwise).
That said....
If we do this however, we need to also rethink how we do user outreach.
I do think it's worth considering all together in this way, yes.
On 15 October 2015 at 22:20, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Let's avoid calling what other people in the project say "nonsense" or "spew". I mean in general, but also in this particular case I think that's a reasonable view if you think of Flock as "better FUDCon" rather than a whole different thing. I'm a strong advocate of it being a different thing, but let's be respectful of those with a different view (even — or especially — if we want to convince them otherwise).
Flock is not just a better FUDCon. It has a budget that is about 3-4 times that of a FUDCon and touts itself as the premier contributor event. I am usually not this animated in my emails but I could not help it in this case because I find it hard to respect an opinion that is obviously exclusionary.
Siddhesh
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Truong Anh Tuan tuanta@iwayvietnam.com wrote:
Although there are some small concerns/notes, we agreed to propose PP bid [2] as the only candidate.
Is there a link to the concerns/notes expressed? Also, 100 participants seem a very low number for an event - is there a specific basis for the calculation?
On 14 October 2015 at 09:03, sankarshan sankarshan@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Is there a link to the concerns/notes expressed?
None off-hand, I remember some of us suggesting that answers to the concerns be put up on the bid page, but that doesn't seem to have happened. In brief I believe cash management and audience were the biggest concern, cash management because for the only major event we had (FAD at PP last year), Tuan and I had to carry wads of cash ($500 each) because it's not possible to receive Paypal payments in Cambodia.
Also, 100 participants seem a very low number for an event - is there a specific basis for the calculation?
This was one of the questions about the target audience. It wasn't completely clear what the target audience was, but I believe the focus was on getting passersby in the main event and flying in contributors who were interested in doing outreach at the event.
Siddhesh
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