Fedora and Italian communities: What-a-Mess!

[Gianluca Varisco]

Hi guys,

I'd like to discuss with all of you the current situation we have in 
Italy regarding the Fedora Project and its unofficial communities.

# Fedora-it.org [ http://www.fedora-it.org/ ]

Maintained by ILDN (Italian Linux Distro Network), they provide both a 
forum (total users registered: 457) and a mailing list [1] in which 
there are registered, at the moment, 53 users:

- 36 non-digest users
- 17 digest users

# Fedora Italia [ http://www.fedoraitalia.org/ ]

Maintained by one guy, Glauco Zuccaccia; His site provide both news and 
a forum. He was one of the guys behind the website maintained by ILDN 
before the split (due to internal problems with the other guys, IIRC).

As I wrote above, both of them have also a lot of user base that could 
be better helped and trained regarding the Fedora project and its 
amazing community.

I already discussed about my thoughts with some of the italian guys that 
did a great job with Fedora byNight (members of LOLUG, probably the most 
active LUG in Italy at the moment regarding Fedora) and we thought about 
  have an official mailing list hosted by Fedora itself: fedora-it-list

We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding 
Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'.

Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the 
existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all 
together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help 
users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an 
unified, STRONG, system/community ;-)

We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would 
like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what 
they think about our ideas.

Best Regards,

[1] http://www.ildn.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fedora-it-lists.ildn.net

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[Luca Foppiano]

On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 16:56 +0200, Gianluca Varisco wrote:

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>  We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding 
>  Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'.
>  
>  Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the 
>  existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all 
>  together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help 
>  users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an 
>  unified, STRONG, system/community ;-) 
>  We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would
>
>  like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what 
>  they think about our ideas. 

I completely agree. Every time a new guy come on our channel
(#fedora-it), ask us about an official forum or a localized official web
site. 

Italian community need a localized official place, not only for
technical reasons (there are a lot of ubuntu users that want to switch
or try fedora but they are blocked by English language, for example) but
also to allow Italian Fedora community strengthening.

Regards

Luca
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[Francesco Ugolini]

>   (#fedora-it), ask us about an official forum or a localized official
> web
>   site. 
Official web site: fedoraproject.org without doubts :)

We can host our pages there (through the wiki) and we can work
translating the existing contents. I think a global point of reference
is the best way to recognized fedora brand moreover create another
site could be quite confusing for people (and for us) and it could be,
also, difficult to mantain.

Forum: i know in the past there were a lot of problems, fedora-it was
a fork of another forum, so, i don't know how many support we could
receive when we will ask them to come back all together. I think we
could use diplomacy and try to find a, possible, solution.

Another important point is that there aren't official fedora forums.
What we can do is to work creating a great community and cancel all
division between Italian fedorians :)

That's my point of view.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

[Luca Foppiano]

On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 21:31 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  >  (#fedora-it), ask us about an official forum or a localized
> official web
>  >  site.
>  
>  Official web site: fedoraproject.org without doubts :) 
of course

>  We can host our pages there (through the wiki) and we can work
>  translating the existing contents. I think a global point of reference
>  is the best way to recognized fedora brand moreover create another
>  site could be quite confusing for people (and for us) and it could be,
>  also, difficult to mantain.
>  
>  Forum: i know in the past there were a lot of problems, fedora-it was
>  a fork of another forum, so, i don't know how many support we could
>  receive when we will ask them to come back all together. I think we
>  could use diplomacy and try to find a, possible, solution.
>  
>  Another important point is that there aren't official fedora forums.
>  What we can do is to work creating a great community and cancel all
>  division between Italian fedorians :) 
Why not create a localized italian Mailing list as first step, and ask to close 
the official one at ildn?

Other what do they think?

regards
Luca

[Gianluca Varisco]

Luca Foppiano wrote:
>  Why not create a localized italian Mailing list as first step, and
> ask to close 
>  the official one at ildn?
>   
+1!

I'd like to have and help to maintain/moderate an italian, 
fedora-related, mailing list.

Let me know which steps we have to follow in order to have it created.

Cheers,

-- 
Gianluca Varisco, RHCE
Intern GPS, Red Hat Italia
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[Elio Tondo]

Gianluca Varisco wrote:

>  Luca Foppiano wrote:
> > Why not create a localized italian Mailing list as first step, and ask 
> > to close the official one at ildn?
> >
>  
>  +1!
>  
>  I'd like to have and help to maintain/moderate an italian, 
>  fedora-related, mailing list.
>  
>  Let me know which steps we have to follow in order to have it created. 
+1 (obvously...)

Too much Ubuntu here, with no apparent reason. We need to push Fedora a 
lot more in Italy.

Elio