We had our semi-monthly NA meeting last night. The meeting
page/agenda can be found:
also includes the minutes and log.
For those of you who use gmail for logging, the transcript is included below.
01:00:00 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting
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01:00:03 <makfinsky> Couldn't keep track of both meetings.
01:00:09 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting
01:00:13 <mock> first
01:00:14 <inode0> nice precision start
01:00:27 <makfinsky> Indeed.
01:00:27 <StabbyMc> inode0: I aims to please.
01:00:35 * spevack is lurking
01:00:39 <spevack> hey all
01:00:40 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements
01:00:52 <StabbyMc> Who's got some announcements?
01:01:02 <makfinsky> We have most of the logistics and an agenda for
fadna, don't we?
01:01:03 <inode0> I do
01:01:13 <VileGent> maybe even more
01:01:14 <spevack> makfinsky: we do. I'm guessing inode0 will talk about that
01:01:15 * StabbyMc recognizes inode0
01:01:18 <inode0> Dear Fedora, stop being so cranky please.
01:01:25 <spevack> inode0: +1
01:02:08 <StabbyMc> spevack: what's up with RH looking for a new
Fedora Project Lead?
01:02:10 * lcafiero announces he's on time for once and didn't have to
sneak in the back door and sit in the back of the room.
01:02:26 <dmaxel> lcafiero: +1
01:02:32 * StabbyMc pats lcafiero on the head and gives him an 'atta boy!
01:02:48 <spevack> StabbyMc: that's a broad question. Where would you
like me to start my answer?
01:03:01 * StabbyMc scribbles this date in his notebook of doom
"lcafiero spared wrath today"
01:03:02 <makfinsky> Wait, I thought we were talking about fadna?
01:03:17 <spevack> I thought we were too. StabbyMc hold that question
for later :)
01:03:20 * spevack yields to inode0
01:03:24 <StabbyMc> spevack: will do.
01:03:33 * inode0 thought we were on announcements
01:03:35 * StabbyMc passes the conch to inode0
01:03:42 * rbergeron refrains from making the star wars joke @lcafiero
01:03:47 * dmaxel thinks questions aren't announcements
01:03:53 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Ambassador Day
01:04:03 * StabbyMc re-passes the conch to inode0
01:04:12 <inode0> link please
01:04:25 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_NA_2010
01:04:31 <inode0> things are almost ready I believe, most people have
travel arranged now
01:04:47 <inode0> agenda is still forming but looks like we'll have plenty
01:05:28 <inode0> everyone coming should continue to think about the
agenda and please add things
01:05:38 <lcafiero> +1
01:05:40 <inode0> we can shuffle and reprioritize as needed
01:05:43 * rbergeron nods
01:06:00 * ianweller waves
01:06:19 <rbergeron> and just add them to the wiki - and make sure
there is a description of a deliverable attached :)
01:06:19 <inode0> are there questions?
01:06:26 <makfinsky> ? Do we have all the accomodations worked out?
That's the only logistic piece that I am unclear on.
01:07:02 <rbergeron> i don't know if we have hotel spots yet - spevack? :)
01:07:04 * spevack has to book a couple more hotel rooms, and
threethirty needs to get his plane ticket.
01:07:10 <rbergeron> there we have it. :)
01:07:22 <spevack> for some reason, I couldn't purchase it for him.
01:07:34 <spevack> we need 3 more hotel rooms, which I'll handle.
01:07:44 <inode0> do we?
01:07:48 <spevack> Ivan/David, Larry/Justin, Robyn
01:08:18 <inode0> ok, so we are looking good
01:08:53 <inode0> we have a virtual reality break on Friday
01:09:20 <inode0> we have a special treat courtesy of dgilmore on Saturday
01:09:33 <inode0> and a lot of work both days
01:10:29 <inode0> is that enough from me on FADNA?
01:10:39 <makfinsky> inode0: +1
01:10:46 <StabbyMc> Anyone with more questions for inode0 on $TOPIC?
01:11:10 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events
01:11:18 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
01:11:27 <dgilmore> inode0: a tasty event
01:11:41 <StabbyMc> Any events need some special TLC who aren't getting it?
01:12:34 <inode0> The summit is coming up but I've not had any time to
spend on that yet this year - will as soon as I can though.
01:12:41 <lcafiero> I just set up the OSCON wiki page -- crossbytes,
please note :-)
01:12:58 * lcafiero yields to inode0
01:13:01 <crossbytes> ok link?
01:13:36 <lcafiero> crossbytes:
-- needs updating. let's
talk about this later.
01:13:54 <inode0> no need to yield to me, just mentioning the summit
is only a month and a half off and reminding myself it needs attention
01:14:16 <lcafiero> same with OSCON -- just getting a head start.
01:15:29 * inode0 did see a lot of fosscon activity earlier today
01:15:37 <StabbyMc> Other events bits?
01:15:39 <laubersm> It looks like there will be a fad on the fri
before Self - also in June
01:15:41 <VileGent> !
01:15:44 <VileGent> OLF
01:16:01 <VileGent> i have sent for info for getting a table at OLF
01:16:08 <VileGent> Fosscon
01:17:09 <VileGent> I was in contact with cprofitt about him working
with a fedora booth but he is actually running the event so he cant
run the table
01:17:44 <VileGent> threethirty has volunteered to work the table but
it will cost us travel
01:18:00 <VileGent> eof
01:18:37 <StabbyMc> Other events?
01:19:17 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review
01:19:22 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
01:19:54 <StabbyMc> spevack: you have anything on budget for us?
01:19:59 <VileGent> there is a fosscon page setup on the wiki
01:20:01 <inode0> not really a budget item now but the new shirts came
in and are quite nice I think
01:20:20 <VileGent> inode0, previous budget item?
01:20:27 <StabbyMc> inode0: are they in the hands of the regionals?
01:20:30 <inode0> yeah
01:20:46 <inode0> and having now seen the new clings and stickers
those are quite nice too
01:20:49 <etank> inode0: is there a link with the tshirt design somewhere?
01:21:20 <spevack> StabbyMc: we're under absolutely no budget
pressure, meaning more or less whatever you guys need/want, we can do.
01:21:25 <StabbyMc> is our Q1 budget getting bitten by F13 media?
01:21:29 <spevack> I owe Clint a final email with F13 media stuff.
01:21:34 <StabbyMc> Or is that Q2?
01:21:42 <spevack> StabbyMc: and yes, that's going to be a big number.
01:22:11 <herlo> spevack: yes you do, and soon!!
01:22:12 <StabbyMc> spevack so with tees (not on budget page) and
media we're still under no pressure?
01:22:12 <spevack> StabbyMc: the truth is that it doesn't really
matter that much. We're so close to the end of the quarter anyway
that we'll get the media into Q1, but the Q2 money starts to flow in
only 3 weeks as it is.
01:23:08 <spevack> StabbyMc: IMHO, that's true.
01:23:31 <spevack> Pretty light spending in NA. Taking media and
tshirts into account, and I'd say we're about where we'd like to be,
1/4 through the year.
01:23:34 <StabbyMc> inode0; herlo; lcafiero; ke4qqq, I can do
replenishments or additional orders of pens/stickers/clings easily
01:23:44 <spevack> Figure we want to spend $25k-ish in NA for the
year, not counting FUDCons and FADs.
01:23:51 <inode0> etank:
01:24:05 <lcafiero> +1 StabbyMc -- will take inventory
01:24:07 <etank> thanks inode0
01:24:30 <dmaxel> +1
01:24:35 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: it's not all about wanting inventory,
what is needed? all of them?
01:24:46 <herlo> StabbyMc: pens I need now, but otherwise, I'm good on
most things now...
01:24:55 <lcafiero> off the top of my head, pens and buttons.
01:25:16 <lcafiero> stickers and clings I think we're good on for the
wc event box
01:25:21 <StabbyMc> spevack: pens were somewhat spendy if I remember,
something like $2500
01:25:38 <StabbyMc> Wait, no $1275
01:25:55 <StabbyMc> spevack would we be able to do a replenishment
order on those?
01:25:57 <crossbytes> will have count for stickers and such in a few..
for wc event box
01:26:23 <spevack> StabbyMc: definitely
01:26:23 <lcafiero> right, the wc event box is living with crossbytes
in vancouver wash until oscon
01:26:28 <lcafiero> fye
01:26:34 <lcafiero> fye=fyi
01:26:36 * ke4qqq is late sorry
01:26:44 <StabbyMc> spevack: last time we did weird billing, is that
something you can CC now?
01:26:50 <VileGent> all event boxes are low on swag
01:27:04 * inode0 suggests bouncing around swag wants out of meeting
01:27:13 <lcafiero> +1
01:27:19 <StabbyMc> inode0: good plan.
01:27:21 <dmaxel> +1
01:27:23 <lcafiero> it can be discussed later and on-channel and on-list
01:27:30 <inode0> next meeting we have a plan though
01:28:38 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Test Days
01:28:46 <inode0> just a sec
01:29:02 <spevack> StabbyMc: yeah, I can pay on my credit card if it's
01:29:07 <spevack> er, $1k
01:29:09 <spevack> :P
01:29:17 <StabbyMc> spevack, cool I'll get an invoice for you.
01:29:33 <StabbyMc> inode0: you have more on budget?
01:29:36 <herlo> oh, I need buttons too, that's right...
01:29:37 <inode0> I think we should not forget to think about
acquiring useful things that are persistent ... so let's consider
banners/skirts/etc. as well in our thinking
01:29:40 <spevack> LOL @ $1G -- ONE BILLION DOLLARS on Daddy
Shadowman's credit card, please
01:29:48 <rbergeron> one gazillion dollarz
01:30:01 <lcafiero> heh
01:30:08 * herlo guesses $1k
01:30:14 <dmaxel> spevack: +1
01:31:15 <StabbyMc> inode0: agreed.
01:31:33 * StabbyMc knows VileGent has dreams of a tableskirt.
01:31:47 <mock> or a table kilt
01:31:50 * inode0 has thought a little about whether we should get a
small portable video camera
01:32:03 <StabbyMc> inode0: like a flip?
01:32:15 <inode0> something like that yeah
01:32:23 <StabbyMc> $100 or less.
01:32:32 <StabbyMc> inode0: you thinking event boxes?
01:32:34 * spevack continues to hold out hope that the infamous stolen
fedora tablecloth from FUDCon Raleigh will magically re-materialize
01:32:41 <lcafiero> for the event box or for the fad, inode0?
01:32:44 <rbergeron> something that has an external microphone plug
would be good.
01:32:53 <VileGent> StabbyMc, yeah but i still havent found anything
under $300 each yet
01:33:01 <inode0> I was thinking for event boxes or other shipping so
events could get some recording
01:33:38 <inode0> anyway, just a thought, let's move on
01:33:47 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Test Days
01:34:03 <StabbyMc> I don't know who's discussion item this is.
01:34:27 <VileGent> i think its been on the agenda to help with test
days if possible
01:34:37 <inode0> I think that was a one time item that keeps showing up :)
01:34:40 <StabbyMc> Ok then...
01:34:47 <ke4qqq> it's a good point though
01:34:49 <ke4qqq> :)
01:34:53 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Unfinished
01:35:16 <spevack> StabbyMc you were asking about the FPL stuff?
01:35:22 <StabbyMc> spevack: so stickster is going somewhere in RHEL,
so Fedora Project Lead is now open?
01:35:35 * ke4qqq has an item if it isn't too late
01:35:44 <spevack> StabbyMc: yep. I think Paul blogged about all of
this. /me checks.
01:35:51 <rbergeron> yeah..... he did.
01:36:03 <VileGent> and so did Karlie
01:36:08 * StabbyMc has no link.
01:36:09 <spevack> right...
01:36:24 <inode0> StabbyMc: read the planet
01:36:44 <rbergeron> and smooge, and spevack as well. ;)
01:36:46 * dmaxel thinks we should yield to ke4qqq while people are searching
01:36:55 <spevack> yeah good idea
01:36:56 <lcafiero> second, dmaxel
01:36:57 <ke4qqq> dmaxel: mine might take a bit
01:37:06 <lcameron> go
01:37:08 <ke4qqq> but..... SELF is coming up in just over a month
01:37:09 <spevack> StabbyMc:
01:37:10 <dmaxel> more time for people to look around, ke4qqq
01:37:17 <spevack> StabbyMc: http://spevack.livejournal.com/102890.html
01:37:30 <StabbyMc> spevack: sweet, I'll read up.
01:37:44 * herlo also has an item..
01:37:47 <ke4qqq> several things going on
01:37:50 <ke4qqq> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2010
01:37:53 <inode0> and for what the real story is ... see f-d-l :)
01:38:13 <ke4qqq> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_SELF_2010
01:38:35 <spevack> inode0: some day you shall suffer troll's remorse :)
01:38:37 <ke4qqq> so we 'committed' to having a FAD - and they listed
it as an option on registration - and now ~50 people are signed up to
01:38:43 <ke4qqq> spevack: heh
01:38:53 <ke4qqq> so 1. There's gonna be lots of potential contributors present
01:38:59 <lcafiero> wow.
01:39:03 <ke4qqq> that might need some pushing to get involved
01:39:28 <ke4qqq> (/me notes that we are still on the long end of the
tail registration wise - and we've already had our room size bumped up
01:39:42 <makfinsky> Wow, indeed.
01:39:46 <ke4qqq> anyway - I have a conflict of interest as I am on
the SELF board
01:39:54 * spevack fails to see the conflict :)
01:40:00 <herlo> lol
01:40:03 <ke4qqq> I'd love to see Fedora support SELF
01:40:16 <ke4qqq> ok - so perhaps I just want it VERY transparent
01:41:16 <spevack> I'll speak bluntly -- Fedora's doing a lot at SELF
this year -- the FAD, talks, etc. To take some of our budget and hand
it to SELF as a general sponsorship contribution seems entirely
appropriate to me.
01:41:17 <ke4qqq> so the first page I referenced has budget numbers,
last year fedora gave self 1k, this year, what, if anything does famna
want to do, do we need to pay for any one to attend (ianweller is
speaking and some RHT employees who are Fedora contribs, but I am
assuming they have separate budget)
01:41:36 <rbergeron> haha
01:41:41 <lcafiero> +1 spevack
01:42:19 <spevack> My travel to SELF, along with Ian's will come from
my team's internal travel budget.
01:42:23 <ke4qqq> and then there's the FAD - though it's likely just
going to be food expenses from what we see now.
01:42:31 <spevack> Won't touch the $$$ we have set aside for NA region.
01:43:13 <VileGent> ke4qqq, as you tell the rest of us, create a wiki
page with budget
01:43:15 <ke4qqq> but - 50 people who have essentially signed up to
spend all day in a room to 'activity' on Fedora is going to need some
people to help mentor them and get them involved - so I need/want
01:43:29 * rbergeron can help wrangle, since she's tagging along with her sig0
01:43:33 <ke4qqq> ok - I'd like 1k from Fedora - I listed 500-1k on
the wiki page
01:43:38 * lcafiero looks at his calendar . . .
01:44:04 <VileGent> i will be there friday afternoon-sunday noon
01:44:47 <lcafiero> ke4qqq, (gulp) nearest airport?
01:44:48 * dmaxel would like to note that he finally has a license and
could drive to events that aren't too far away
01:44:53 <rbergeron> lcafiero: gsp
01:44:56 <spevack> I think we should support self for $1k and make
sure that we appropriately staff the FAD, even if that means partial
subsidies to a larger number of people to get there. If even 20
people show up for a FAD, that really changes both (a) what we can do
at the FAD, and (b) means that we want to have a good teacher:student
ratio if you know what I mean.
01:45:29 <ke4qqq> well the concern we talked about with sparks (who
has taken ownership of the FAD) is that we really can't operate as we
traditionally have for a fad
01:45:38 <ke4qqq> because those tend to be VERY targeted
01:45:51 <ke4qqq> and it has (for better or worse) turned into
something far more general
01:45:59 <spevack> ke4qqq: the name of it is less important to me than
"we've got X number of people's attention, and what do we do with that
01:46:07 <ke4qqq> exactly
01:46:43 <ke4qqq> and people who are that willing to come spend some
time with us - well we need to harvest them if possible
01:46:54 * rbergeron gets out the plow
01:47:11 <VileGent> ke4qqq, what time is finish on sunday
01:47:20 <ke4qqq> the event of FAD?
01:47:30 <ke4qqq> bah
01:47:34 <ke4qqq> event OR FAD
01:47:39 <VileGent> either
01:47:48 <rbergeron> i thought fad was happening on friday.
01:47:52 <ke4qqq> event is 4ish or 5ish - I don't recall - FAD is yet
to be determined
01:48:12 * ke4qqq really wishes sparks were here to talk about FAD
01:48:49 <ke4qqq> so we've talked about moving our traditional FAD
stuff to friday
01:48:51 <VileGent> ke4qqq, i am trying to figure what i can do time wise
01:49:05 <ke4qqq> I honestly don't know what sparks plan is on how to handle it
01:49:43 <ke4qqq> seeing the registration numbers took us a bit of
fguard (we didn't realize it was even on the form, which is fail on my
part - I communicated we wanted space, and never registered myself,
01:50:08 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: the complication is that it's on the reg
form for sunday
01:50:13 <rbergeron> do you know if those registered people are
already involved in fedora?
01:50:15 <ke4qqq> so ~50 people already think it's then.
01:50:21 <inode0> perhaps a #fedora-fad meeting to get a handle on
what is going to happen and figure out how much people support will be
01:50:39 <rbergeron> i mean - we've got proably 10 people in this
meeting, plus another 10-15 i can think of offhand who are going.
01:50:42 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: the VAST majority are not. I can get a
detailed list later this evening if it helps
01:50:57 <StabbyMc> in this instance FAD = Fedora Activity Day, yes?
01:51:15 <ke4qqq> I'll get a list and check
01:51:42 <VileGent> friday i have to wait till son finishes exam then
we will come down
01:51:56 <ke4qqq> StabbyMc: yes
01:52:14 <ke4qqq> EOF unless someone has questions
01:52:20 <rbergeron> okay - sooo it seems like we probably need some
clarification on the wiki
01:52:36 <rbergeron> because the FAD @ SelF page shows friday as the date -
01:52:46 <rbergeron> but it seems like those topics are more geared
towards general attendees possibly?
01:53:13 <StabbyMc> rbergeron: the SELF's own page has it on Sunday.
01:53:25 <ke4qqq> yes - sparks, stickster and I had a conversation in
-docs that I should probably copy and paste to the fudcon-list
01:53:56 <rbergeron> right - which would make the date for that fad @
self sunday, and possibly regular-standard-fAd friday - we should just
try to clarify, for those planning to attend. even if that
clarification is, we don't know, still working on it, hang tight plz.
01:55:06 <ke4qqq> yep
01:55:21 <StabbyMc> Ok all, we're closing in at the end of our hour.
01:55:25 * ianweller waves again, back from driving
01:55:34 <StabbyMc> Anything pressing to cover in the last 5 minutes?
01:55:55 <makfinsky> Open item - I'll be presenting a solution at
NovaLUG based on Fedora, "Building Stateful Firewall Clusters", this
Sat @ 10am.
01:56:29 <makfinsky> I'll present the same at Melbourne, FL LUG in June as
01:56:40 <lcafiero> +1 for the space coast
01:56:41 <makfinsky> http://www.novalug.org/node/113
01:57:36 <StabbyMc> yea makfinsky!
01:58:03 <VileGent> makfinsky, please put that on the event list
01:58:15 <inode0> makfinsky: nice
01:58:17 <makfinsky> VileGent: Good idea.
01:58:23 * inode0 wishes he could go
01:58:30 <grantbow_> +1 makfinsky
01:58:31 <ke4qqq> very nice makfinsky
01:58:37 <VileGent> i am trying to organize logistics for event box
and vbanners to fosscon if needed
01:59:04 <makfinsky> Now I just need to actually work out the presentation...
01:59:35 <ke4qqq> can we send another regions event box to fosscon
01:59:53 <ke4qqq> otherwise there's no guarantee it will make it from
SELF to FOSScon timely enough
02:00:03 <lcafiero> what's the time difference?
02:00:08 <ke4qqq> < 1 week
02:00:09 <lcafiero> in days?
02:00:11 <StabbyMc> OK, back to #fedora-ambassadors
02:00:11 <lcafiero> Hmmm.
02:00:14 <inode0> there will also be a fedora presentation at iowa
state the week before fadna
02:00:16 <VileGent> ke4qqq, if we send ours mel will take it from
there and vbanners to the summit
02:00:19 <dmaxel> woooo!
02:00:23 <StabbyMc> Time to close the meeting
02:00:26 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting