Proposal: Fedora European Infrastructure

[Mirjam Wäckerlin]

Hello,

Chitlesh and I we created the draft for Fedora European Infrastructure
with the help of some people on #fedora-mktg.
The Page still needs a lot of work, add your constructive comments and
proposals on:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe

This is the first draft as a result of the discussions at fosdem 2007.

This draft should be completed and hopefully someone will step in for
the post as the Fedora European Executive before LinuxTag 2007 Berlin.

After LinuxTag the real work should get started.

Subscription to the wikipage is adviced.

Regards,

Mirjam

[Francesco Ugolini]

Mirjam Wäckerlin ha scritto:
>  Hello,
>  
>  Chitlesh and I we created the draft for Fedora European Infrastructure
>  with the help of some people on #fedora-mktg.
>  The Page still needs a lot of work, add your constructive comments and
>  proposals on:
>  
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe
>  
>  This is the first draft as a result of the discussions at fosdem 2007.
>  
>  This draft should be completed and hopefully someone will step in for
>  the post as the Fedora European Executive before LinuxTag 2007 Berlin.
>  
>  After LinuxTag the real work should get started.
>  
>  Subscription to the wikipage is adviced.
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Mirjam
>  
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>   
Excellent! I think that the base is perfect, now we have to work to
develop this draft with the help of ALL European Ambassadors and all
Ambassadors interested.

I have a "little" question: Will he be a permanent Coordinator?  If yes,
i agree, because i think that it's necessary continuity to make a work
well, not only, he would be a reference point to all Ambassadors. (In my
opinion a Central Europe's Ambassador would be perfect, because the big
events are there).

Regards

Francesco Ugolini
-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini

[Francesco Ugolini]

Francesco Ugolini ha scritto:
>  Mirjam Wäckerlin ha scritto:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Chitlesh and I we created the draft for Fedora European Infrastructure
> > with the help of some people on #fedora-mktg.
> > The Page still needs a lot of work, add your constructive comments and
> > proposals on:
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe
> >
> > This is the first draft as a result of the discussions at fosdem 2007.
> >
> > This draft should be completed and hopefully someone will step in for
> > the post as the Fedora European Executive before LinuxTag 2007 Berlin.
> >
> > After LinuxTag the real work should get started.
> >
> > Subscription to the wikipage is adviced.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mirjam
> >
> > -- 
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
> >
>  
>  Excellent! I think that the base is perfect, now we have to work to
>  develop this draft with the help of ALL European Ambassadors and all
>  Ambassadors interested.
>  
>  I have a "little" question: Will he be a permanent Coordinator?  If yes,
>  i agree, because i think that it's necessary continuity to make a work
>  well, not only, he would be a reference point to all Ambassadors. (In my
>  opinion a Central Europe's Ambassador would be perfect, because the big
>  events are there).
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Francesco Ugolini 
Sorry for the mistake:  when i use "he" i mean "he" and
"she" (in fact a
women would be the best choice for a Fedora European Coordinator). :)

Regards

Francesco Ugolini
-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini

[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H Francesco Ugolini έγραψε:
>  Mirjam Wäckerlin ha scritto:
> > Chitlesh and I we created the draft for Fedora European Infrastructure
> > with the help of some people on #fedora-mktg.
> > The Page still needs a lot of work, add your constructive comments and
> > proposals on:
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe
> >
> > This is the first draft as a result of the discussions at fosdem 2007.
> >
> > This draft should be completed and hopefully someone will step in for
> > the post as the Fedora European Executive before LinuxTag 2007 Berlin.
>  
>  Excellent! I think that the base is perfect, now we have to work to
>  develop this draft with the help of ALL European Ambassadors and all
>  Ambassadors interested.
>  
>  I have a "little" question: Will he be a permanent Coordinator?  If yes,
>  i agree, because i think that it's necessary continuity to make a work
>  well, not only, he would be a reference point to all Ambassadors. (In my
>  opinion a Central Europe's Ambassador would be perfect, because the big
>  events are there). 
Best thing would be to have a Steering Committee instead of one person, and find
a way these persons be chosen under meritocracy [1].

To ensure continuity, in the recent Docs elections, the four top vote receivers
serve on FDSCo for a larger period of time (say, 12 months) than the next three
vote receivers (6 months). This way we make sure active members on the FDSCo but
also a continuity of involvement. Maybe this is a good idea for a FEuSCo (Fedora
Europe Steering Committee).

I suggest we expand on the Draft to have a much clearer image on what the
proposal actually proposes. As I noted in Chitlesh's talk, Europe has some very
important characteristics (locality, multilinguality, different laws) that we
should make sure the new "Fedora Office" will strategically address.

Is there a compelling reason we should rush to do it before Linuxtag '07?

-d


[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy


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[Francesco Ugolini]

Dimitris Glezos ha scritto:
>  O/H Francesco Ugolini έγραψε:
> > Mirjam Wäckerlin ha scritto:
> >> Chitlesh and I we created the draft for Fedora European Infrastructure
> >> with the help of some people on #fedora-mktg.
> >> The Page still needs a lot of work, add your constructive comments and
> >> proposals on:
> >>
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe
> >>
> >> This is the first draft as a result of the discussions at fosdem 2007.
> >>
> >> This draft should be completed and hopefully someone will step in for
> >> the post as the Fedora European Executive before LinuxTag 2007 Berlin.
> > Excellent! I think that the base is perfect, now we have to work to
> > develop this draft with the help of ALL European Ambassadors and all
> > Ambassadors interested.
> >
> > I have a "little" question: Will he be a permanent Coordinator?  If yes,
> > i agree, because i think that it's necessary continuity to make a work
> > well, not only, he would be a reference point to all Ambassadors. (In my
> > opinion a Central Europe's Ambassador would be perfect, because the big
> > events are there).
>  
>  Best thing would be to have a Steering Committee instead of one person, and find
>  a way these persons be chosen under meritocracy [1].
>  
>  To ensure continuity, in the recent Docs elections, the four top vote receivers
>  serve on FDSCo for a larger period of time (say, 12 months) than the next three
>  vote receivers (6 months). This way we make sure active members on the FDSCo but
>  also a continuity of involvement. Maybe this is a good idea for a FEuSCo (Fedora
>  Europe Steering Committee).
>  
>  I suggest we expand on the Draft to have a much clearer image on what the
>  proposal actually proposes. As I noted in Chitlesh's talk, Europe has some very
>  important characteristics (locality, multilinguality, different laws) that we
>  should make sure the new "Fedora Office" will strategically address.
>  
>  Is there a compelling reason we should rush to do it before Linuxtag '07?
>  
>  -d
>  
>  
>  [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy
>  
>   
The idea behind the Fedora European Coordinator is to have an European
Reference point, he doesn't override all the other activity, he manage
the European Issue. A steering committee would be not useful at all, we
need a person who can represent all people, that have all the situation
in his hands and be the representative of Fedora European Infrastructure
   into the Fedora Project.

We have just a FAmSCo that is composed by European members, we haven't a
Leader...

That's my opinion

Francesco Ugolini
-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini

[Mirjam Wäckerlin]

On 3/6/07, Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt; wrote:
>  O/H Francesco Ugolini έγραψε:
>  > Mirjam Wäckerlin ha scritto:
>  >>
>  >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Drafts/Europe
>  >  [...]
>  > I have a "little" question: Will he be a permanent Coordinator?  If yes,
>  > i agree, because i think that it's necessary continuity to make a work
>  > well, not only, he would be a reference point to all Ambassadors. (In my
>  > opinion a Central Europe's Ambassador would be perfect, because the big
>  > events are there). 
I don't think that the exact geographical situation is important,
since most of the work will have to been done online. Of course, the
person should have some knowledge about the most important events and
also a good general knowledge about European countries.

>  Best thing would be to have a Steering Committee instead of one
> person, 
One person (or one person and a replacement person in case of
emergency) would IMO be best in terms of coordination. If you have
Steering Committee they always would have to communicate and
coordinate a lot between themselves and would lose a lot of time
instead of really moving forward.

>  and find
>  a way these persons be chosen under meritocracy [1]. 
Meritocracy is in general appreciated in FOSS but it's more important
to have someone who fits all the requirements,meaning someone with all
the needed competences, than to choose someone who's already very busy
within the Ambassadors project. The most merited people already have a
load of work and maybe not the time to invest constantly a lot of
time.

>  To ensure continuity, in the recent Docs elections, the four top vote
> receivers
>  serve on FDSCo for a larger period of time (say, 12 months) than the next three
>  vote receivers (6 months). This way we make sure active members on the FDSCo but
>  also a continuity of involvement. Maybe this is a good idea for a FEuSCo (Fedora
>  Europe Steering Committee). 
A reelection is a good idea, but a cycle of 6 months is too short for
such a task. I propose a cycle of one year.
FEuSCo sounds like a european localised subgroup/substitution for
FAMSCo but this is not the idea of the European Coordinator (I agree
with Francesco).

>  I suggest we expand on the Draft to have a much clearer image on what
> the
>  proposal actually proposes. As I noted in Chitlesh's talk, Europe has some very
>  important characteristics (locality, multilinguality, different laws) that we
>  should make sure the new "Fedora Office" will strategically address. 
The proposal is only a draft and should get more detailed (ideas are
appreciated!). But the task of the executive is not to organise the
events and know every detail (this will be left to the local
Ambassadors), but to coordinate them and distribute resources.

>  Is there a compelling reason we should rush to do it before Linuxtag
> '07? 
There will be a FudCon at LinuxTag where the final decision could be
made. If we can't make it by then, it may take a very long time to put
the idea into effect.

Regards,

Mirjam

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On 3/6/07, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  I suggest we expand on the Draft to have a much clearer image on what
> the
>  proposal actually proposes. 
Hello,
Sure, let's us know what is missing or simply edit the wiki page.

To start the process of _real_ talk, I would propose that the item
"Proposal: Fedora European Infrastructure" be listed on the weekly
meetings.

Francesco, can you lead this item during the weekly meetings ? Surely,
there must be more attendees as well to discuss that item and improve
its status.

regards,
Chitlesh
-- 
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[Francesco Ugolini]

Chitlesh GOORAH ha scritto:
>  On 3/6/07, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> > I suggest we expand on the Draft to have a much clearer image on what the
> > proposal actually proposes.
>  
>  Hello,
>  Sure, let's us know what is missing or simply edit the wiki page.
>  
>  To start the process of _real_ talk, I would propose that the item
>  "Proposal: Fedora European Infrastructure" be listed on the weekly
>  meetings.
>  
>  Francesco, can you lead this item during the weekly meetings ? Surely,
>  there must be more attendees as well to discuss that item and improve
>  its status.
>  
>  regards,
>  Chitlesh 
Ok, no problem.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini