[Fedora-ambassadors-list] First day at Solutions Linux

[Aurelien Bompard]

Hi all,

Today I spent my first day presenting Fedora at Solutions Linux in Paris. 
This is a primary report.

* About Fedora :
- Most people have already heard of Fedora
- Usually people know that Fedora is the successor of Red Hat Linux
- They don't usually know that there Red Hat is still working on it
- They don't usually know that there is also a community behind it now
- They don't usually know about other sub-projects, not even Fedora Extras.

* Technically :
- People have a worse hardware detection experience with Fedora than with 
Ubuntu or Mandriva (very popular in France), usually as regards to Wi-Fi 
cards. This is (IMHO) because non-official drivers (as in "not in 
upstream's kernel) are not included in Fedora, and most WiFi drivers are 
still young, thus not included upstream. Hardware detection is still very 
important when choosing a distribution
- Most people don't know about SELinux
- Some people are interested in Xen and virtualization (it seems in the 
current hype)
- I've had a very interesting argument with a python developer about the 
fact that there is only one version of python in Fedora, what to do to make 
multiple versions installable, and what would the advantages be (mainly two 
words : Zope & Plone). I currently maintain Zope and Plone in Extras, and I 
confirm its a mess with the very up-to-date version of python that Fedora 
ships. I'll post on fedora-devel-list about that, and see if something can 
be done.

* Logistics
- DVDs where distributed very fast, I had to ration visitors
- T-shirts are slower, people don't expect them to be free so they don't ask 
for it. I'm confident I'll give them all away before tomorrow evening 
though. A small "Free T-Shirts" sign should do the trick :)
- Beeing on another association's booth is ok, but it's much much better to 
have a Fedora booth.
- The Fedora Ambassadors Project should recruit as much as possible to be 
able to correctly man the boothes. Having several ambassadors in the same 
zone is not a problem.
- People like the business cards :) We should add the URL on the template. 
What is the font used for the logo by the way ? I'll post my modified 
template for the only business card paper I could find (Canson) after the 
event.

I'll post the slides I've made for the event when it's over (I make small 
fixes from time to time). They're in french, and it's a general Fedora 
presentation.

If you have questions or things you think I should do tomorrow (last day), 
feel free to ask.

Cheers,

Aurélien

[Thomas Chung]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:22:21 +0100, Aurelien Bompard wrote
> People like the business cards :) We should add the URL on the template.
>
> What is the font used for the logo by the way ? I'll post my modified 
> template for the only business card paper I could find (Canson) after the 
> event.

Aurelien,

Thank you for your excellent report.

I used "Bitstream Vera Sans" which is commonly available font with OpenOffice.org 2.0

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/BusinessCards

--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Aurelien Bompard]

> I used "Bitstream Vera Sans" which is commonly available font with
> OpenOffice.org 2.0
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/BusinessCards

I mean the font for the official Fedora Logo :
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo

It seems close to URW Gothic, but not quite (the "a" is different)

Aurélien.

[Thomas Chung]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:06:49 +0100, Aurelien Bompard wrote
> > I used "Bitstream Vera Sans" which is commonly available font with
> > OpenOffice.org 2.0
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/BusinessCards
>
> I mean the font for the official Fedora Logo :
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo
>
> It seems close to URW Gothic, but not quite (the "a" is different)
>
> Aurélien.

I believe you'll need to contact Greg or Alex.
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Rahul Sundaram]

Aurelien Bompard wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Today I spent my first day presenting Fedora at Solutions Linux in Paris. 
> This is a primary report.
> About Fedora :
> Most people have already heard of Fedora
> Usually people know that Fedora is the successor of Red Hat Linux
> They don't usually know that there Red Hat is still working on it
> They don't usually know that there is also a community behind it now
> They don't usually know about other sub-projects, not even Fedora Extras.
> Technically :
> People have a worse hardware detection experience with Fedora than with
>
> Ubuntu or Mandriva (very popular in France), usually as regards to Wi-Fi 
> cards. This is (IMHO) because non-official drivers (as in "not in 
> upstream's kernel) are not included in Fedora, and most WiFi drivers are 
> still young, thus not included upstream. Hardware detection is still very 
> important when choosing a distribution

It is very unlikely that Fedora packages especially the kernel would be 
heavily patched but there has been Red Hat developers stepping up to do 
the right thing which is of course to get a real maintainer for the 
wireless drivers in the kernel.

http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/30664.html
http://lwn.net/Articles/167270/
http://lwn.net/Articles/167272/
> Most people don't know about SELinux

Daniel Walsh has been working on the wiki recently. Check out 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux. It should be pretty helpful to 
get this information across widely.
> Some people are interested in Xen and virtualization (it seems in the
>
> current hype)

True. This one has a huge amount of potential.
> I've had a very interesting argument with a python developer about the
>
> fact that there is only one version of python in Fedora, what to do to make 
> multiple versions installable, and what would the advantages be (mainly two 
> words : Zope & Plone). I currently maintain Zope and Plone in Extras, and I 
> confirm its a mess with the very up-to-date version of python that Fedora 
> ships. I'll post on fedora-devel-list about that, and see if something can 
> be done.

We probably need better packaging guidelines for parallel installation 
of packages and not just specific to python. Go ahead and initiate the 
discussion.
> Logistics
> DVDs where distributed very fast, I had to ration visitors

Was this FC4?. I hope they dont run into the garbage bug.
> T-shirts are slower, people don't expect them to be free so they don't ask
>
> for it. I'm confident I'll give them all away before tomorrow evening 
> though. A small "Free T-Shirts" sign should do the trick :)

We arent distributing T-shirts anymore as part of the kit but otherwise 
similar banners are handy.
> Beeing on another association's booth is ok, but it's much much better to
>
> have a Fedora booth.
> The Fedora Ambassadors Project should recruit as much as possible to be
>
> able to correctly man the boothes. Having several ambassadors in the same 
> zone is not a problem.

Yes. If you are the regional ambassador now hire associates ;-)
> People like the business cards :) We should add the URL on the template.
>
> What is the font used for the logo by the way ?

Proprietary one. We are getting a Free voice font pretty soon.
> I'll post my modified 
> template for the only business card paper I could find (Canson) after the 
> event.

Cool.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Slides
> I'll post the slides I've made for the event when it's over (I make small 
> fixes from time to time). They're in french, and it's a general Fedora 
> presentation.

Any chance for a English translation?
> If you have questions or things you think I should do tomorrow (last day), 
> feel free to ask.

How about a FC5 Preview?. Refer to

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView for the major changes.  Have I missed any?

[Tom Callaway]

On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 11:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> We probably need better packaging guidelines for parallel installation 
> of packages and not just specific to python. Go ahead and initiate the 
> discussion.

Well, right now we don't really have _any_ packaging guidelines for
parallel installation of similar packages, but I don't see why following
the openssl model for libraries and using alternatives for binaries
wouldn't suffice for the majority of cases.

~spot

[Rahul Sundaram]

Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 11:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > We probably need better packaging guidelines for parallel installation 
> > of packages and not just specific to python. Go ahead and initiate the 
> > discussion.
>
> Well, right now we don't really have _any_ packaging guidelines for
> parallel installation of similar packages, but I don't see why following
> the openssl model for libraries and using alternatives for binaries
> wouldn't suffice for the majority of cases.
>
> ~spot

We need to document them specifically. Assuming that everyone would know 
how openssl is packaged to mimic that model wouldnt work. Might be a 
naive question but why not always stick the version number in front of 
the packages instead of using compat-* and obsoleting older versions 
like we do currently?

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

Outstanding report, Aurelien.  Many thanks.

--g

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Aurelien Bompard wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Today I spent my first day presenting Fedora at Solutions Linux in Paris. 
> This is a primary report.
> About Fedora :
> Most people have already heard of Fedora
> Usually people know that Fedora is the successor of Red Hat Linux
> They don't usually know that there Red Hat is still working on it
> They don't usually know that there is also a community behind it now
> They don't usually know about other sub-projects, not even Fedora Extras.
> Technically :
> People have a worse hardware detection experience with Fedora than with
>
> Ubuntu or Mandriva (very popular in France), usually as regards to Wi-Fi 
> cards. This is (IMHO) because non-official drivers (as in "not in 
> upstream's kernel) are not included in Fedora, and most WiFi drivers are 
> still young, thus not included upstream. Hardware detection is still very 
> important when choosing a distribution
> Most people don't know about SELinux
> Some people are interested in Xen and virtualization (it seems in the
>
> current hype)
> I've had a very interesting argument with a python developer about the
>
> fact that there is only one version of python in Fedora, what to do to make 
> multiple versions installable, and what would the advantages be (mainly two 
> words : Zope & Plone). I currently maintain Zope and Plone in Extras, and I 
> confirm its a mess with the very up-to-date version of python that Fedora 
> ships. I'll post on fedora-devel-list about that, and see if something can 
> be done.
> Logistics
> DVDs where distributed very fast, I had to ration visitors
> T-shirts are slower, people don't expect them to be free so they don't ask
>
> for it. I'm confident I'll give them all away before tomorrow evening 
> though. A small "Free T-Shirts" sign should do the trick :)
> Beeing on another association's booth is ok, but it's much much better to
>
> have a Fedora booth.
> The Fedora Ambassadors Project should recruit as much as possible to be
>
> able to correctly man the boothes. Having several ambassadors in the same 
> zone is not a problem.
> People like the business cards :) We should add the URL on the template.
>
> What is the font used for the logo by the way ? I'll post my modified 
> template for the only business card paper I could find (Canson) after the 
> event.
>
> I'll post the slides I've made for the event when it's over (I make small 
> fixes from time to time). They're in french, and it's a general Fedora 
> presentation.
>
> If you have questions or things you think I should do tomorrow (last day), 
> feel free to ask.
>
> Cheers,
> Aurélien
>
> http://aurelien.bompard.org  ~~~~  Jabber : [e-mail]
> "We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of
> life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be
> enthusiastic about." -- Albert Einstein
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[Alex]

Rock and roll!
a

On 2/1/06, Aurelien Bompard  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Today I spent my first day presenting Fedora at Solutions Linux in Paris.
> This is a primary report.
> About Fedora :
> Most people have already heard of Fedora
> Usually people know that Fedora is the successor of Red Hat Linux
> They don't usually know that there Red Hat is still working on it
> They don't usually know that there is also a community behind it now
> They don't usually know about other sub-projects, not even Fedora Extras.
> Technically :
> People have a worse hardware detection experience with Fedora than with
>
> Ubuntu or Mandriva (very popular in France), usually as regards to Wi-Fi
> cards. This is (IMHO) because non-official drivers (as in "not in
> upstream's kernel) are not included in Fedora, and most WiFi drivers are
> still young, thus not included upstream. Hardware detection is still very
> important when choosing a distribution
> Most people don't know about SELinux
> Some people are interested in Xen and virtualization (it seems in the
>
> current hype)
> I've had a very interesting argument with a python developer about the
>
> fact that there is only one version of python in Fedora, what to do to make
> multiple versions installable, and what would the advantages be (mainly two
> words : Zope & Plone). I currently maintain Zope and Plone in Extras, and I
> confirm its a mess with the very up-to-date version of python that Fedora
> ships. I'll post on fedora-devel-list about that, and see if something can
> be done.
> Logistics
> DVDs where distributed very fast, I had to ration visitors
> T-shirts are slower, people don't expect them to be free so they don't ask
>
> for it. I'm confident I'll give them all away before tomorrow evening
> though. A small "Free T-Shirts" sign should do the trick :)
> Beeing on another association's booth is ok, but it's much much better to
>
> have a Fedora booth.
> The Fedora Ambassadors Project should recruit as much as possible to be
>
> able to correctly man the boothes. Having several ambassadors in the same
> zone is not a problem.
> People like the business cards :) We should add the URL on the template.
>
> What is the font used for the logo by the way ? I'll post my modified
> template for the only business card paper I could find (Canson) after the
> event.
>
> I'll post the slides I've made for the event when it's over (I make small
> fixes from time to time). They're in french, and it's a general Fedora
> presentation.
>
> If you have questions or things you think I should do tomorrow (last day),
> feel free to ask.
>
> Cheers,
> Aurélien
>
> http://aurelien.bompard.org  ~~~~  Jabber : [e-mail]
> "We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of
> life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be
> enthusiastic about." --AlbertEinstein
>
> --
> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list

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