Best choice for DVD CD 9 give away

[Joerg Simon]

Hello Fellows,

There is a question, RH-Germany will produce and sponsor F9 Media for us in 
Europe. What F9 DVD/CD we want to have. I talked with some of you via IRC but 
i will take the chance to hear your voices in that matter.
Please give me a answer in the next two days, because i must prepare the 
MediaArt for the German Agency.

cu
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[Joerg Simon]

Am Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 20:41:18 schrieb JoergSimon:
>  Hello Fellows,
>
>  There is a question, RH-Germany will produce and sponsor F9 Media for us in
>  Europe. What F9 DVD/CD we want to have. I talked with some of you via IRC
>  but i will take the chance to hear your voices in that matter. 
Ah, i forgot - we can have only two different types of Media!

cu Joerg


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[Gerold]

500 x i386
250 x X84
250 x PPC

from my perspective and the look in the past ...

Regards

gerold


Am Dienstag, den 13.05.2008, 20:41 +0200 schrieb JoergSimon:
>  Hello Fellows,
>  
>  There is a question, RH-Germany will produce and sponsor F9 Media for us in 
>  Europe. What F9 DVD/CD we want to have. I talked with some of you via IRC but 
>  i will take the chance to hear your voices in that matter.
>  Please give me a answer in the next two days, because i must prepare the 
>  MediaArt for the German Agency.
>  
>  cu
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Gerold Kassube wrote:
>  500 x i386
>  250 x X84
>  250 x PPC
>  
>  from my perspective and the look in the past ...
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  gerold 
250 PPC? I wouldn't think we had anywhere close to the same amount of 
PPC users as x86_64 users. All our stats point to completely different 
figures. Take a look at

http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html

Rahul

[Baris Cicek]

On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 21:02 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote:
>  500 x i386
>  250 x X84
>  250 x PPC
>  
>  from my perspective and the look in the past ... 
Really there need that much PPC
copies? Macs with PPC is fading away and
newer Macs are already x86_64. 

According to smolt statistics[1] PPC consists only 0.4 % of the total
installations. If we bases smolt statistics as decision basis it should
be:

750 x i386
250 x x86_64

Though I think x86_64 architecture should have more media.

Regards,
Baris Cicek
TR - ANKARA Ambassador


[1] http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/static/stats/stats.html


>  
>  Regards
>  
>  gerold
>  
>  
>  Am Dienstag, den 13.05.2008, 20:41 +0200 schrieb JoergSimon:
>  > Hello Fellows,
>  > 
>  > There is a question, RH-Germany will produce and sponsor F9 Media for us in 
>  > Europe. What F9 DVD/CD we want to have. I talked with some of you via IRC but 
>  > i will take the chance to hear your voices in that matter.
>  > Please give me a answer in the next two days, because i must prepare the 
>  > MediaArt for the German Agency.
>  > 
>  > cu
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 22:11 +0300, Baris Cicek wrote:
>  On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 21:02 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote:
>  > 500 x i386
>  > 250 x X84
>  > 250 x PPC
>  > 
>  > from my perspective and the look in the past ...
>  Really there need that much PPC copies? Macs with PPC is fading away and
>  newer Macs are already x86_64. 
>  
>  According to smolt statistics[1] PPC consists only 0.4 % of the total
>  installations. If we bases smolt statistics as decision basis it should
>  be:
>  
>  750 x i386
>  250 x x86_64 
Agreed, PPC is not really something I'd recommend producing in this
case.  And I'd aim for Live CD media instead of DVD if you have to
choose.  Not only can people install from them, but they can also turn
their images into Live USB without having to download many hundreds of
MB first. :-)

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[Thomas Canniot]

Le Wed, 14 May 2008 14:46:19 +0000,
"Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; a écrit :

>  On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 22:11 +0300, Baris Cicek wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 21:02 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote:
>  > > 500 x i386
>  > > 250 x X84
>  > > 250 x PPC
>  > > 
>  > > from my perspective and the look in the past ...
>  > Really there need that much PPC copies? Macs with PPC is fading
>  > away and newer Macs are already x86_64. 
>  > 
>  > According to smolt statistics[1] PPC consists only 0.4 % of the
>  > total installations. If we bases smolt statistics as decision basis
>  > it should be:
>  > 
>  > 750 x i386
>  > 250 x x86_64
>  
>  Agreed, PPC is not really something I'd recommend producing in this
>  case.  And I'd aim for Live CD media instead of DVD if you have to
>  choose.  Not only can people install from them, but they can also turn
>  their images into Live USB without having to download many hundreds of
>  MB first. :-)
>   
Couldn't the number of media be produced according to the upcoming
events in Europe ?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents?highlight=(events)#head-856eb4...

I was thinking of about 250-300 give away livecds for the upcoming
French Install Party (22th June) and for the Rencontres Mondiales du
Logiciel Libre (Worldwide FOSS Meetings) in Mont-de-Marsan in July
(about 3 000 attendees each year).

Is it doable that they be available before the 22nd of June (I guess
this is too close a date...) :/

Thomas

[Max Spevack]

On Wed, 14 May 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote:

>  Agreed, PPC is not really something I'd recommend producing in
> this 
>  case.  And I'd aim for Live CD media instead of DVD if you have to 
>  choose.  Not only can people install from them, but they can also turn 
>  their images into Live USB without having to download many hundreds of 
>  MB first. :-) 
Once, long ago, we produced x86_64 and ppc DVDs.  We stopped, not 
because those architectures aren't important, but because the people who 
*asked for media* never wanted those.  Just make as many Live CDs as 
possible, and a few DVDs.

--Max

[Francesco Ugolini]

2008/5/13 Baris Cicek <baris(a)teamforce.name.tr&gt;:
>  
> According to smolt statistics[1] PPC consists only 0.4 % of the total
> installations. If we bases smolt statistics as decision basis it should
> be:
>  
> 750 x i386
> 250 x x86_64
>  
> Though I think x86_64 architecture should have more
media.

There are still many people using PPC, i think burn 50 of them, could
help people who are still using a obsolete system to use Fedora.

That's my perspective.

Francesco

p.s. i've two PPC pcs and i'm using F9 on both machines.

[Matt Domsch]

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 02:12:26PM +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  2008/5/13 Baris Cicek <baris(a)teamforce.name.tr&gt;:
>  >
>  
>  > According to smolt statistics[1] PPC consists only 0.4 % of the total
>  > installations. If we bases smolt statistics as decision basis it should
>  > be:
>  >
>  > 750 x i386
>  > 250 x x86_64
>  >
>  > Though I think x86_64 architecture should have more media.
>  
>  There are still many people using PPC, i think burn 50 of them, could
>  help people who are still using a obsolete system to use Fedora.
>  
>  That's my perspective.
>  
>  Francesco
>  
>  p.s. i've two PPC pcs and i'm using F9 on both machines. 

No one is denying that there are some ppc Fedora users.  I sure hope
there are, for the efforts the ppc architcture team and
release-engineering put into it.

However, producing media costs money; producing pressed media for
small batches (e.g. 50) costs more per-unit than producing larger
batches (~1000).

A quick look at the number of Unique IP addresses downloading Fedora 9
media this week shows:

ppc:     4201  ( 2.6%)
x86_64: 37074  (23.0%)
i386:  119845  (74.4%)

So, a split of 75% i386 and 25% x86_64 seems entirely appropriate to
me, and a good use of the money.

If Ambassadors wish to burn ppc media themselves to bring, they are of
course welcome and encouraged to do so.

-Matt

[Rashadul Islam]

Hi

Is there any Offcial Cover for Fedora 9 DVD?
If possible send all the ambassador the link of the official cover for
Fedora 9 dvd/cd?

Regards,
Rashadul Islam
Fedora Ambassador, Montreal
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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Matt Domsch <matt(a)domsch.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 02:12:26PM +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  > 2008/5/13 Baris Cicek <baris(a)teamforce.name.tr&gt;:
>  > >
>  >
>  > > According to smolt statistics[1] PPC consists only 0.4 % of the total
>  > > installations. If we bases smolt statistics as decision basis it should
>  > > be:
>  > >
>  > > 750 x i386
>  > > 250 x x86_64
>  > >
>  > > Though I think x86_64 architecture should have more media.
>  >
>  > There are still many people using PPC, i think burn 50 of them, could
>  > help people who are still using a obsolete system to use Fedora.
>  >
>  > That's my perspective.
>  >
>  > Francesco
>  >
>  > p.s. i've two PPC pcs and i'm using F9 on both machines.
>
>
>  No one is denying that there are some ppc Fedora users.  I sure hope
>  there are, for the efforts the ppc architcture team and
>  release-engineering put into it.
>
>  However, producing media costs money; producing pressed media for
>  small batches (e.g. 50) costs more per-unit than producing larger
>  batches (~1000).
>
>  A quick look at the number of Unique IP addresses downloading Fedora 9
>  media this week shows:
>
>  ppc:     4201  ( 2.6%)
>  x86_64: 37074  (23.0%)
>  i386:  119845  (74.4%)
>
>  So, a split of 75% i386 and 25% x86_64 seems entirely appropriate to
>  me, and a good use of the money.
>
>  If Ambassadors wish to burn ppc media themselves to bring, they are of
>  course welcome and encouraged to do so.
>
>  -Matt
>
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[Gianluca Varisco]

Rashadul Islam wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  Is there any Offcial Cover for Fedora 9 DVD?
>  If possible send all the ambassador the link of the official cover for 
>  Fedora 9 dvd/cd?
>   
Hi Rashadul,

Did you already checked out 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9 ? ;-)

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[Max Spevack]

On Fri, 16 May 2008, Matt Domsch wrote:

>  No one is denying that there are some ppc Fedora users.  I sure hope
>
>  there are, for the efforts the ppc architcture team and 
>  release-engineering put into it.
>
>  However, producing media costs money; producing pressed media for 
>  small batches (e.g. 50) costs more per-unit than producing larger 
>  batches (~1000).
>
>  A quick look at the number of Unique IP addresses downloading Fedora 9 
>  media this week shows:
>
>  ppc:     4201  ( 2.6%)
>  x86_64: 37074  (23.0%)
>  i386:  119845  (74.4%)
>
>  So, a split of 75% i386 and 25% x86_64 seems entirely appropriate to 
>  me, and a good use of the money.
>
>  If Ambassadors wish to burn ppc media themselves to bring, they are of 
>  course welcome and encouraged to do so. 
For what it's worth, I agree with Matt.  And I'll add this observation: 
while about 25% of the *downloads* are for x86_64, I would say that 
about 5% of the *requests at shows* are for x86_64.  It is almost 
entirely not worth it to print anything en masse other than x86 Live CDs 
and DVDs.

I learned that the hard way, back in FC6, when I couldn't get rid of the 
x86_64 and PPC stuff that we printed to save my life.  Except for that 
one dude at FOSDEM who paid us 2 Euros for a PPC DVD.  That was 
awesome.

--Max