[FOSDEM 2019] Having additional Fedora event?

[Charles-Antoine Couret]

Hi all,

I discussed with several persons during FOSDEM this year about the
possibility to have a Fedora event around FOSDEM week-end, at Brussels
of course. Probably one day event.

Why?

In fact, many projects organized some events the Friday or Monday:
FreeBSD, CentOS, Buildroot, etc.

FOSDEM is very important in Europe (even in the world) and a lot of
contributors come from everywhere to assist or to present conferences
and workshops. It is one of the most important moment to meet each other
or to work on some subjects.

So, we can use this opportunity to organize something around Fedora with
less efforts (because a lot of people already organized their coming,
their talks, etc.). And maybe some other people should be interested in
coming at Brussels to follow FOSDEM + Fedora event (and not FOSDEM
only). In addition to this, we are often too busy during FOSDEM to spend
time for Fedora only and see everyone.

What?

From my point of view, this event could have some workshops:
translation, documentation, QA, marketing or development. To find some
issues, discuss how to improve some processes or tools and working
together to improve the content or the product. I guess talks should be
done during Flock and FOSDEM.

Maybe you have another point of view about this.

When?

CentOS Dojo (https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/) took place Friday.
Sharing the same date and the location could be nice to simplify the
organization and reduce the cost of the event. But CentOS community have
to accept this solution of course.

How?

I don't know how the Fedora Project handled the organization of FOSDEM
(I didn't have the time this year to help, sorry).

But, I'm living in Belgium now, no so far from Brussels. Next year I
will help. I guess we can organize FOSDEM + this kind of event with one
team.

Next step?

Before doing that, we need to discuss about it. Sharing ideas, having
feedback, etc. Maybe it is a bad idea and it will be forgotten.

If enough people are interested in organizing this event, we will plan it.

Do not hesitate to send your feedback about it, thank you.

Regards,

Charles-Antoine Couret - Renault

[Radka Janekova]

Hi,

Fedora generally organizes such events around devconf.cz as we have large
number of contributors based in the same city (Brno.) I personally don't
even know one contributor based directly in Brussels, yet someone to
organize such event, which may be a dealbreaker.

Radka

------------------------------
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*[e-mail] *
IRC: radka | Freenode: Rhea

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Charles-Antoine Couret <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I discussed with several persons during FOSDEM this year about the
> possibility to have a Fedora event around FOSDEM week-end, at Brussels
> of course. Probably one day event.
>
> Why?
>
> In fact, many projects organized some events the Friday or Monday:
> FreeBSD, CentOS, Buildroot, etc.
>
> FOSDEM is very important in Europe (even in the world) and a lot of
> contributors come from everywhere to assist or to present conferences
> and workshops. It is one of the most important moment to meet each other
> or to work on some subjects.
>
> So, we can use this opportunity to organize something around Fedora with
> less efforts (because a lot of people already organized their coming,
> their talks, etc.). And maybe some other people should be interested in
> coming at Brussels to follow FOSDEM + Fedora event (and not FOSDEM
> only). In addition to this, we are often too busy during FOSDEM to spend
> time for Fedora only and see everyone.
>
> What?
>
> From my point of view, this event could have some workshops:
> translation, documentation, QA, marketing or development. To find some
> issues, discuss how to improve some processes or tools and working
> together to improve the content or the product. I guess talks should be
> done during Flock and FOSDEM.
>
> Maybe you have another point of view about this.
>
> When?
>
> CentOS Dojo (https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/) took place Friday.
> Sharing the same date and the location could be nice to simplify the
> organization and reduce the cost of the event. But CentOS community have
> to accept this solution of course.
>
> How?
>
> I don't know how the Fedora Project handled the organization of FOSDEM
> (I didn't have the time this year to help, sorry).
>
> But, I'm living in Belgium now, no so far from Brussels. Next year I
> will help. I guess we can organize FOSDEM + this kind of event with one
> team.
>
> Next step?
>
> Before doing that, we need to discuss about it. Sharing ideas, having
> feedback, etc. Maybe it is a bad idea and it will be forgotten.
>
> If enough people are interested in organizing this event, we will plan it.
>
> Do not hesitate to send your feedback about it, thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles-Antoine Couret - Renault
> _______________________________________________
> ambassadors mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Jona Azizaj]

On 02/25/2018 11:35 PM, Charles-Antoine Couret wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi,
> I discussed with several persons during FOSDEM this year about the
> possibility to have a Fedora event around FOSDEM week-end, at Brussels
> of course. Probably one day event.
>
> Why?
>
> In fact, many projects organized some events the Friday or Monday:
> FreeBSD, CentOS, Buildroot, etc.
>
> FOSDEM is very important in Europe (even in the world) and a lot of
> contributors come from everywhere to assist or to present conferences
> and workshops. It is one of the most important moment to meet each other
> or to work on some subjects.
>
> So, we can use this opportunity to organize something around Fedora with
> less efforts (because a lot of people already organized their coming,
> their talks, etc.). And maybe some other people should be interested in
> coming at Brussels to follow FOSDEM + Fedora event (and not FOSDEM
> only). In addition to this, we are often too busy during FOSDEM to spend
> time for Fedora only and see everyone.
>
> What?
>
> From my point of view, this event could have some workshops:
> translation, documentation, QA, marketing or development. To find some
> issues, discuss how to improve some processes or tools and working
> together to improve the content or the product. I guess talks should be
> done during Flock and FOSDEM.
>
> Maybe you have another point of view about this.
>
> When?
>
> CentOS Dojo (https://u4999934.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=PEGtk34F2vzY-2FdDEgdADyVfBMqWZ... took place Friday.
> Sharing the same date and the location could be nice to simplify the
> organization and reduce the cost of the event. But CentOS community have
> to accept this solution of course.

If we can do this together with CentOS community would be great.
> How?
>
> I don't know how the Fedora Project handled the organization of FOSDEM
> (I didn't have the time this year to help, sorry).
>
> But, I'm living in Belgium now, no so far from Brussels. Next year I
> will help. I guess we can organize FOSDEM + this kind of event with one
> team.

Thank you. I'm +1 to organize an event before (or after) FOSDEM, because
a lot of people already attend FOSDEM, and is easier for us having this
kind of events to gather all together in one place and have some
hands-on meetings, face-to-face conversations etc. In this way, we have
the possibility to organize this kind of events/meet-up not only for
Flock but also when we have big events where a lot of Fedora
contributors are there.
> Next step?
>
> Before doing that, we need to discuss about it. Sharing ideas, having
> feedback, etc. Maybe it is a bad idea and it will be forgotten.
>
> If enough people are interested in organizing this event, we will plan it.

I'm +1. Count me in.
> Do not hesitate to send your feedback about it, thank you.

Thank you.
Jona
> Regards,
>
> Charles-Antoine Couret - Renault
> _______________________________________________
> ambassadors mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Brian (bex) Exelbierd]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Jona Azizaj  wrote:
> On 02/25/2018 11:35 PM, Charles-Antoine Couret wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hi,
>
> I discussed with several persons during FOSDEM this year about the
>
> possibility to have a Fedora event around FOSDEM week-end, at Brussels
>
> of course. Probably one day event.
>
> Why?
>
> In fact, many projects organized some events the Friday or Monday:
>
> FreeBSD, CentOS, Buildroot, etc.
>
> FOSDEM is very important in Europe (even in the world) and a lot of
>
> contributors come from everywhere to assist or to present conferences
>
> and workshops. It is one of the most important moment to meet each other
>
> or to work on some subjects.
>
> So, we can use this opportunity to organize something around Fedora with
>
> less efforts (because a lot of people already organized their coming,
>
> their talks, etc.). And maybe some other people should be interested in
>
> coming at Brussels to follow FOSDEM + Fedora event (and not FOSDEM
>
> only). In addition to this, we are often too busy during FOSDEM to spend
>
> time for Fedora only and see everyone.
>
> What?
>
> From my point of view, this event could have some workshops:
>
> translation, documentation, QA, marketing or development. To find some
>
> issues, discuss how to improve some processes or tools and working
>
> together to improve the content or the product. I guess talks should be
>
> done during Flock and FOSDEM.
>
> Maybe you have another point of view about this.
>
> When?
>
> CentOS Dojo (https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/ https://u4999934.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=PEGtk34F2vzY-2FdDEgdADyVfBMqWZnkcrkPgVP5nfLaGm6jbrfXqRUj7xg7Lsouwt_ZptKP9ylnREVqwc-2BuvErWlGu-2Fxe1Os3n-2FfZ9wkjbx6t1-2BlUEoDTjU1j4vsm-2B2o5-2Bak4xmn8OBk44ZvKz8B7Y0sIFrBwzvtRTeQ7DCH9-2Fr04XEnBExeUsIM8osLr6lgbSPwOagJwoA3HWd6ZComlXi2yf9z3mEKoxRJ3GKH2Q-2FHp6U3TpqK6x4A0wpbyrhe9DaFIzUeq8GGdnI1-2F79L2m6dL0669Xi7gulMgLjB0T9Jc-3D) took place Friday.
>
> Sharing the same date and the location could be nice to simplify the
>
> organization and reduce the cost of the event. But CentOS community have
>
> to accept this solution of course.
>
> If we can do this together with CentOS community would be great.

I think this is very possible.  What would be great is to brainstorm what
an event would look like.  Are we talking a social? talks (about what?)?
etc.

Let's envision success and plan backwards to get there.

Now is the time to start this conversation a we need to start looking for
space ASAP around FOSDEM.

regards,

bex
> How?
>
> I don't know how the Fedora Project handled the organization of FOSDEM
>
> (I didn't have the time this year to help, sorry).
>
> But, I'm living in Belgium now, no so far from Brussels. Next year I
>
> will help. I guess we can organize FOSDEM + this kind of event with one
>
> team.
>
> Thank you. I'm +1 to organize an event before (or after) FOSDEM, because a
> lot of people already attend FOSDEM, and is easier for us having this kind
> of events to gather all together in one place and have some hands-on
> meetings, face-to-face conversations etc. In this way, we have the
> possibility to organize this kind of events/meet-up not only for Flock but
> also when we have big events where a lot of Fedora contributors are there.
>
> Next step?
>
> Before doing that, we need to discuss about it. Sharing ideas, having
>
> feedback, etc. Maybe it is a bad idea and it will be forgotten.
>
> If enough people are interested in organizing this event, we will plan it.
>
> I'm +1. Count me in.
>
> Do not hesitate to send your feedback about it, thank you.
>
> Thank you.
> Jona
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles-Antoine Couret - Renault
>
> ambassadors mailing list -- [e-mail]
>
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
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[Tom Callaway]

Is the goal for this event to have a chance for existing Fedora
Contributors to get work done together (mini-Flock/FAD), or is it about
promoting Fedora to new users/potential contributors (ubucon)? While it's
possible to do both, that almost always backfires, and leaves both groups
dissatisfied, so I would suggest we choose one.

~tom

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:22 AM Brian (bex) Exelbierd 
wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Jona Azizaj 
> wrote:
> > On 02/25/2018 11:35 PM, Charles-Antoine Couret wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I discussed with several persons during FOSDEM this year about the
> >
> > possibility to have a Fedora event around FOSDEM week-end, at Brussels
> >
> > of course. Probably one day event.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > In fact, many projects organized some events the Friday or Monday:
> >
> > FreeBSD, CentOS, Buildroot, etc.
> >
> > FOSDEM is very important in Europe (even in the world) and a lot of
> >
> > contributors come from everywhere to assist or to present conferences
> >
> > and workshops. It is one of the most important moment to meet each other
> >
> > or to work on some subjects.
> >
> > So, we can use this opportunity to organize something around Fedora with
> >
> > less efforts (because a lot of people already organized their coming,
> >
> > their talks, etc.). And maybe some other people should be interested in
> >
> > coming at Brussels to follow FOSDEM + Fedora event (and not FOSDEM
> >
> > only). In addition to this, we are often too busy during FOSDEM to spend
> >
> > time for Fedora only and see everyone.
> >
> > What?
> >
> > From my point of view, this event could have some workshops:
> >
> > translation, documentation, QA, marketing or development. To find some
> >
> > issues, discuss how to improve some processes or tools and working
> >
> > together to improve the content or the product. I guess talks should be
> >
> > done during Flock and FOSDEM.
> >
> > Maybe you have another point of view about this.
> >
> > When?
> >
> > CentOS Dojo (https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/ https://u4999934.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=PEGtk34F2vzY-2FdDEgdADyVfBMqWZnkcrkPgVP5nfLaGm6jbrfXqRUj7xg7Lsouwt_ZptKP9ylnREVqwc-2BuvErWlGu-2Fxe1Os3n-2FfZ9wkjbx6t1-2BlUEoDTjU1j4vsm-2B2o5-2Bak4xmn8OBk44ZvKz8B7Y0sIFrBwzvtRTeQ7DCH9-2Fr04XEnBExeUsIM8osLr6lgbSPwOagJwoA3HWd6ZComlXi2yf9z3mEKoxRJ3GKH2Q-2FHp6U3TpqK6x4A0wpbyrhe9DaFIzUeq8GGdnI1-2F79L2m6dL0669Xi7gulMgLjB0T9Jc-3D) took place Friday.
> >
> > Sharing the same date and the location could be nice to simplify the
> >
> > organization and reduce the cost of the event. But CentOS community have
> >
> > to accept this solution of course.
> >
> > If we can do this together with CentOS community would be great.
>
> I think this is very possible.  What would be great is to brainstorm what
> an event would look like.  Are we talking a social? talks (about what?)?
> etc.
>
> Let's envision success and plan backwards to get there.
>
> Now is the time to start this conversation a we need to start looking for
> space ASAP around FOSDEM.
>
> regards,
>
> bex
> > How?
> >
> > I don't know how the Fedora Project handled the organization of FOSDEM
> >
> > (I didn't have the time this year to help, sorry).
> >
> > But, I'm living in Belgium now, no so far from Brussels. Next year I
> >
> > will help. I guess we can organize FOSDEM + this kind of event with one
> >
> > team.
> >
> > Thank you. I'm +1 to organize an event before (or after) FOSDEM, because
> > a lot of people already attend FOSDEM, and is easier for us having this
> > kind of events to gather all together in one place and have some hands-on
> > meetings, face-to-face conversations etc. In this way, we have the
> > possibility to organize this kind of events/meet-up not only for Flock but
> > also when we have big events where a lot of Fedora contributors are there.
> >
> > Next step?
> >
> > Before doing that, we need to discuss about it. Sharing ideas, having
> >
> > feedback, etc. Maybe it is a bad idea and it will be forgotten.
> >
> > If enough people are interested in organizing this event, we will plan it.
> >
> > I'm +1. Count me in.
> >
> > Do not hesitate to send your feedback about it, thank you.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Jona
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Charles-Antoine Couret - Renault
> >
> > ambassadors mailing list -- [e-mail]
> >
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> >
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>
> --
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> Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator
> @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
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[Brian (bex) Exelbierd]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Tom Callaway  wrote:
> Is the goal for this event to have a chance for existing Fedora
> Contributors to get work done together (mini-Flock/FAD), or is it about
> promoting Fedora to new users/potential contributors (ubucon)? While it's
> possible to do both, that almost always backfires, and leaves both groups
> dissatisfied, so I would suggest we choose one.

+1  Personally, I suggest that we focus this event on gaining new
contributors and users.

regards,

bex
> ~tom
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:22 AM Brian (bex) Exelbierd 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Jona Azizaj 
> > wrote:
> > > On 02/25/2018 11:35 PM, Charles-Antoine Couret wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I discussed with several persons during FOSDEM this year about the
> > >
> > > possibility to have a Fedora event around FOSDEM week-end, at Brussels
> > >
> > > of course. Probably one day event.
> > >
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > In fact, many projects organized some events the Friday or Monday:
> > >
> > > FreeBSD, CentOS, Buildroot, etc.
> > >
> > > FOSDEM is very important in Europe (even in the world) and a lot of
> > >
> > > contributors come from everywhere to assist or to present conferences
> > >
> > > and workshops. It is one of the most important moment to meet each other
> > >
> > > or to work on some subjects.
> > >
> > > So, we can use this opportunity to organize something around Fedora with
> > >
> > > less efforts (because a lot of people already organized their coming,
> > >
> > > their talks, etc.). And maybe some other people should be interested in
> > >
> > > coming at Brussels to follow FOSDEM + Fedora event (and not FOSDEM
> > >
> > > only). In addition to this, we are often too busy during FOSDEM to spend
> > >
> > > time for Fedora only and see everyone.
> > >
> > > What?
> > >
> > > From my point of view, this event could have some workshops:
> > >
> > > translation, documentation, QA, marketing or development. To find some
> > >
> > > issues, discuss how to improve some processes or tools and working
> > >
> > > together to improve the content or the product. I guess talks should be
> > >
> > > done during Flock and FOSDEM.
> > >
> > > Maybe you have another point of view about this.
> > >
> > > When?
> > >
> > > CentOS Dojo (https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/ https://u4999934.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=PEGtk34F2vzY-2FdDEgdADyVfBMqWZnkcrkPgVP5nfLaGm6jbrfXqRUj7xg7Lsouwt_ZptKP9ylnREVqwc-2BuvErWlGu-2Fxe1Os3n-2FfZ9wkjbx6t1-2BlUEoDTjU1j4vsm-2B2o5-2Bak4xmn8OBk44ZvKz8B7Y0sIFrBwzvtRTeQ7DCH9-2Fr04XEnBExeUsIM8osLr6lgbSPwOagJwoA3HWd6ZComlXi2yf9z3mEKoxRJ3GKH2Q-2FHp6U3TpqK6x4A0wpbyrhe9DaFIzUeq8GGdnI1-2F79L2m6dL0669Xi7gulMgLjB0T9Jc-3D) took place Friday.
> > >
> > > Sharing the same date and the location could be nice to simplify the
> > >
> > > organization and reduce the cost of the event. But CentOS community have
> > >
> > > to accept this solution of course.
> > >
> > > If we can do this together with CentOS community would be great.
> >
> > I think this is very possible.  What would be great is to brainstorm what
> > an event would look like.  Are we talking a social? talks (about what?)?
> > etc.
> >
> > Let's envision success and plan backwards to get there.
> >
> > Now is the time to start this conversation a we need to start looking for
> > space ASAP around FOSDEM.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > bex
> > > How?
> > >
> > > I don't know how the Fedora Project handled the organization of FOSDEM
> > >
> > > (I didn't have the time this year to help, sorry).
> > >
> > > But, I'm living in Belgium now, no so far from Brussels. Next year I
> > >
> > > will help. I guess we can organize FOSDEM + this kind of event with one
> > >
> > > team.
> > >
> > > Thank you. I'm +1 to organize an event before (or after) FOSDEM, because
> > > a lot of people already attend FOSDEM, and is easier for us having this
> > > kind of events to gather all together in one place and have some hands-on
> > > meetings, face-to-face conversations etc. In this way, we have the
> > > possibility to organize this kind of events/meet-up not only for Flock but
> > > also when we have big events where a lot of Fedora contributors are there.
> > >
> > > Next step?
> > >
> > > Before doing that, we need to discuss about it. Sharing ideas, having
> > >
> > > feedback, etc. Maybe it is a bad idea and it will be forgotten.
> > >
> > > If enough people are interested in organizing this event, we will plan it.
> > >
> > > I'm +1. Count me in.
> > >
> > > Do not hesitate to send your feedback about it, thank you.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > > Jona
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Charles-Antoine Couret - Renault
> > >
> > > ambassadors mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > >
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> > > fedoraproject.org
> >
> > --
> > Brian (bex) Exelbierd | [e-mail] | [e-mail]
> > Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator
> > @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
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[Charles-Antoine Couret]

Le 12/04/2018 à 14:39, Brian (bex) Exelbierd a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Tom Callaway <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> Is the goal for this event to have a chance for existing Fedora
> Contributors to get work done together (mini-Flock/FAD), or is it
> about promoting Fedora to new users/potential contributors
> (ubucon)? While it's possible to do both, that almost always
> backfires, and leaves both groups dissatisfied, so I would suggest
> we choose one.
>
>
> +1  Personally, I suggest that we focus this event on gaining new 
> contributors and users.

I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty sure that the people in FOSDEM 
seemed already busy for other projects and the profile seems too 
technical to use this kind of event as "user promotion".

In that case, a mini-Flock is more relevant. But someone like Tom could 
explain the profile of visitor on the Fedora stand to make the good choice?

Regards,
Charles-Antoine Couret