Fedora store

[Ruth Suehle]

Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to being able to have an
online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some input on what we stock it with,
as we'll be responsible for things that don't sell. We're only able to stock
4-6 items to start with. A few questions: 

- What types of items are you most interested in having in the store? Think about price
points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if you need some inspiration:
https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com

- Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things like
pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do you think there are a
lot of people who never make it to conferences who would want to buy those things online?

- I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple shirt with the Fedora
logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do you want us to go to the design
team and have them work on something specifically for this purpose?

Thanks!
Ruth

[Paul RJ Mellors]

Hello All

Wow, that's fab news, I can see these being of interest, the obvious ones I
think

T-shirts
Stickers
Mouse Mats
Mugs
Pens/Pencils
Laptop Rucksack [ I did want a RedHat one of these, but I can't see it now
on the Cool Stuff Store]
 etc etc

Paul [MooDoo]




On 17 September 2014 18:27, Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to
> being
>  able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some
>  input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for things that
>  don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few
>  questions:
>
>  - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
>  Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if
>  you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
>
>  - Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things
>  like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
>  you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
>  would want to buy those things online?
>
>  - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple shirt
>  with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do
>  you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
>  specifically for this purpose?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Ruth
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[Lynn Dixon]

I would really like to see a nice laptop backpack.  Something along the
lines of OGIO quality or better. The Red Hat Brandfuel / "Cool Stuff" store
used to sell a really high quality backpack.

I would probably not use up one of the slots for stickers and pens if we
only have a limited number to work with at first. Moreover, something along
the lines of a "Welcome Kit" that includes some pens, stickers, buttons,
thumb drive, etc could be bundled together and only consume one slot.

I do like the idea of a nice T-shirt in one of the slots.

Hope that helps!

Lynn Dixon

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to
> being
>  able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some
>  input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for things that
>  don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few
>  questions:
>
>  - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
>  Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if
>  you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
>
>  - Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things
>  like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
>  you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
>  would want to buy those things online?
>
>  - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple shirt
>  with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do
>  you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
>  specifically for this purpose?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Ruth
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>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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[Elijah Hanson]

Hi All,

I think we could do with these too:

-CD case/bag
-T-shirt
-Lapel pins
-Brooches

And the Lynn's idea of a "Welcome Pack" is absolutely laudable.

Regards,
Elijah Hanson
about.me/paakwesi

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ruth Suehle" <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: ‎9/‎17/‎2014 17:27
To: &quot;ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&quot;
<ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora store

Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to being able to have an
online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some input on what we stock it with,
as we'll be responsible for things that don't sell. We're only able to stock
4-6 items to start with. A few questions: 

- What types of items are you most interested in having in the store? Think about price
points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if you need some inspiration:
https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com

- Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things like
pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do you think there are a
lot of people who never make it to conferences who would want to buy those things online?

- I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple shirt with the Fedora
logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do you want us to go to the design
team and have them work on something specifically for this purpose?

Thanks!
Ruth
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[Till Maas]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:

>  - What types of items are you most interested in having in the
> store?
>  Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat
>  store if you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com 
I would be interested in the Fedora 19 release shirt and I also got
positive feedback from others who would like to have a Fedora
anniversary shirt. But since there are dedicated shirt shops that print
shirts on-demand, it might be better to use one of these to sell
t-shirts. Shipping USB live media (preferable on a USB3 device) might be
a good addition to the free media program, if the shop targets
international customers. Another idea would be YubiKeys, if it is
possible to distribute them cheaper this way, to make it more
interesting for Fedora contributors to use them. This might also  be
something that would be worth selling on conferences, if this is legally
possible.

Another idea I just had, would be a Fedora mascot, not sure if this is
pursuit by someone, but at least looking at Fedora badges, a blue panda
bear might be a candidate.

>  - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
>  shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already
>  have, or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on
>  something specifically for this purpose? 
A shirt with just the logo might be problematic, as it might be
recognised as a Facebook shirt (I learned this from a designer at
Flock).

Regards
Till

[Giannis Konstantinidis]

I would personally love to see/purchase a Fedora hoodie and a fleece jacket
(with the fedora logo embroidered). And a high quality fedora-branded
laptop backpack would be a nice thing, too.


Giannis

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Till Maas <opensource(a)till.name&gt; wrote:

>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>
>  > - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
>  > Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat
>  > store if you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
>
>  I would be interested in the Fedora 19 release shirt and I also got
>  positive feedback from others who would like to have a Fedora
>  anniversary shirt. But since there are dedicated shirt shops that print
>  shirts on-demand, it might be better to use one of these to sell
>  t-shirts. Shipping USB live media (preferable on a USB3 device) might be
>  a good addition to the free media program, if the shop targets
>  international customers. Another idea would be YubiKeys, if it is
>  possible to distribute them cheaper this way, to make it more
>  interesting for Fedora contributors to use them. This might also  be
>  something that would be worth selling on conferences, if this is legally
>  possible.
>
>  Another idea I just had, would be a Fedora mascot, not sure if this is
>  pursuit by someone, but at least looking at Fedora badges, a blue panda
>  bear might be a candidate.
>
>  > - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
>  > shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already
>  > have, or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on
>  > something specifically for this purpose?
>
>  A shirt with just the logo might be problematic, as it might be
>  recognised as a Facebook shirt (I learned this from a designer at
>  Flock).
>
>  Regards
>  Till
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[Chaoyi Zha]

Agreed. A shirt or wearable attire would be nice.
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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Giannis Konstantinidis
<giankonstantinidis(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I would personally love to see/purchase a Fedora hoodie and a fleece
> jacket
>  (with the fedora logo embroidered). And a high quality fedora-branded laptop
>  backpack would be a nice thing, too.
>
>
>  Giannis
>
>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Till Maas <opensource(a)till.name&gt; wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
> >
> > > - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
> > > Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat
> > > store if you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
> >
> > I would be interested in the Fedora 19 release shirt and I also got
> > positive feedback from others who would like to have a Fedora
> > anniversary shirt. But since there are dedicated shirt shops that print
> > shirts on-demand, it might be better to use one of these to sell
> > t-shirts. Shipping USB live media (preferable on a USB3 device) might be
> > a good addition to the free media program, if the shop targets
> > international customers. Another idea would be YubiKeys, if it is
> > possible to distribute them cheaper this way, to make it more
> > interesting for Fedora contributors to use them. This might also  be
> > something that would be worth selling on conferences, if this is legally
> > possible.
> >
> > Another idea I just had, would be a Fedora mascot, not sure if this is
> > pursuit by someone, but at least looking at Fedora badges, a blue panda
> > bear might be a candidate.
> >
> > > - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
> > > shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already
> > > have, or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on
> > > something specifically for this purpose?
> >
> > A shirt with just the logo might be problematic, as it might be
> > recognised as a Facebook shirt (I learned this from a designer at
> > Flock).
> >
> > Regards
> > Till
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>
>
>
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[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think it would be an amazing possibility to get support from other
companies - I mean giving a chance to others to sell through our store
that we can buy - eg RSpi or other dev boards, hackable stuffs with
prepared Fedora images on it. That can boost ARM and other team
developments too. Of course any wearable stuff is a +1. So, allowing
other open source companies to sell through our store can be a win-win
for everyone - and with proper merchandising I think we can boost
other open source development, and ours too.

Thank you,

Zoltan

2014-09-17 21:04 GMT+02:00 Chaoyi Zha <summermontreal(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Agreed. A shirt or wearable attire would be nice.
>  --
>
>  Chaoyi Zha
>  summermontreal(a)gmail.com
>  http://cydrobolt.com
>
>
>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Giannis Konstantinidis
>  <giankonstantinidis(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > I would personally love to see/purchase a Fedora hoodie and a fleece jacket
> > (with the fedora logo embroidered). And a high quality fedora-branded laptop
> > backpack would be a nice thing, too.
> >
> >
> > Giannis
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Till Maas <opensource(a)till.name&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
> >>
> >> > - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
> >> > Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat
> >> > store if you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
> >>
> >> I would be interested in the Fedora 19 release shirt and I also got
> >> positive feedback from others who would like to have a Fedora
> >> anniversary shirt. But since there are dedicated shirt shops that print
> >> shirts on-demand, it might be better to use one of these to sell
> >> t-shirts. Shipping USB live media (preferable on a USB3 device) might be
> >> a good addition to the free media program, if the shop targets
> >> international customers. Another idea would be YubiKeys, if it is
> >> possible to distribute them cheaper this way, to make it more
> >> interesting for Fedora contributors to use them. This might also  be
> >> something that would be worth selling on conferences, if this is legally
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> Another idea I just had, would be a Fedora mascot, not sure if this is
> >> pursuit by someone, but at least looking at Fedora badges, a blue panda
> >> bear might be a candidate.
> >>
> >> > - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
> >> > shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already
> >> > have, or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on
> >> > something specifically for this purpose?
> >>
> >> A shirt with just the logo might be problematic, as it might be
> >> recognised as a Facebook shirt (I learned this from a designer at
> >> Flock).
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Till
> >> --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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[Rákosi Gergely]

Fedora mascot, oh my dream......I know its another topic, but 
ultimatelly yes we need a Fedora Mascot, and will be very cool in the 
store. Okey call this Subproject of the store.

Geri

2014-09-17 20:59 keltezéssel, Till Maas írta:
>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>
> > - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
> > Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat
> > store if you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
>  I would be interested in the Fedora 19 release shirt and I also got
>  positive feedback from others who would like to have a Fedora
>  anniversary shirt. But since there are dedicated shirt shops that print
>  shirts on-demand, it might be better to use one of these to sell
>  t-shirts. Shipping USB live media (preferable on a USB3 device) might be
>  a good addition to the free media program, if the shop targets
>  international customers. Another idea would be YubiKeys, if it is
>  possible to distribute them cheaper this way, to make it more
>  interesting for Fedora contributors to use them. This might also  be
>  something that would be worth selling on conferences, if this is legally
>  possible.
>
>  Another idea I just had, would be a Fedora mascot, not sure if this is
>  pursuit by someone, but at least looking at Fedora badges, a blue panda
>  bear might be a candidate.
>
> > - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
> > shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already
> > have, or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on
> > something specifically for this purpose?
>  A shirt with just the logo might be problematic, as it might be
>  recognised as a Facebook shirt (I learned this from a designer at
>  Flock).
>
>  Regards
>  Till
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>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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[Andrew Ward]

I would like to see a logo polo shirt, something that is a little more 
upscale

On 09/17/2014 01:27 PM, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to
> being able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some input on
> what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for things that don't sell.
> We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few questions:
>
>  - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store? Think about price
> points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if you need some inspiration:
> https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
>
>  - Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things like
> pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do you think there are a
> lot of people who never make it to conferences who would want to buy those things online?
>
>  - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple shirt with the
> Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do you want us to go to the
> design team and have them work on something specifically for this purpose?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Ruth
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[jiannis bonatakis]

Maybe not really usefull but it could be nice to make fedora passports for
conferences and events.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Andrew Ward <award3535(a)tds.net&gt; wrote:

>  I would like to see a logo polo shirt, something that is a little
> more
>  upscale
>
>
>  On 09/17/2014 01:27 PM, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>
> > Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to being
> > able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some
> > input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for things that
> > don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few
> > questions:
> >
> > - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
> > Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if
> > you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
> >
> > - Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things
> > like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
> > you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
> > would want to buy those things online?
> >
> > - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
> > shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have,
> > or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
> > specifically for this purpose?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Ruth
> > --
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> >
>
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[Jukka Palander, IT Development Spain]

Where would Fedora be shown the most?

(T-)shrts, mugs etc. and on smartphone covers!

At least the most used models such as samsung...

Then sunglasses, usb-sticks and whatever some can get from the
"chinastore" ;-)

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On 18/09/14 10:09, jiannis bonatakis wrote:
>  Maybe not really usefull but it could be nice to make fedora
> passports for
>  conferences and events.
>  
>  On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Andrew Ward <award3535(a)tds.net&gt; wrote:
>  
> > I would like to see a logo polo shirt, something that is a little more
> > upscale
> >
> >
> > On 09/17/2014 01:27 PM, Ruth Suehle wrote:
> >
> >> Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to being
> >> able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some
> >> input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for things that
> >> don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few
> >> questions:
> >>
> >> - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
> >> Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if
> >> you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
> >>
> >> - Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small
> things
> >> like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
> >> you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
> >> would want to buy those things online?
> >>
> >> - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
> >> shirt with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have,
> >> or do you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
> >> specifically for this purpose?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Ruth
> >> --
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> >> ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
> >>
> >
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> >
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[Emmanuel Seyman]

* jiannis bonatakis [18/09/2014 11:09] :
>  Maybe not really usefull but it could be nice to make fedora passports for
>  conferences and events. 
I'll second that if use a person's badges instead of visas. :-)

Emmanuel

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to
> being
>  able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some 
This is awesome! Thanks for working on this!

>  input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for
> things that
>  don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few
>  questions: 
Oooh. Does that mean that high cost items (fancy backpacks, say) are more of
a risk? What's the quantity-per-time for "doesn't sell"?


>  Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for
> small things
>  like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
>  you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
>  would want to buy those things online? 
I think *normal* stickers are out, but people seem to _love_ the shiny metal
ones (like case stickers). If those are an option I'd be in favor.

I like pens. And pencils. But I'm not sure of their value for the store.

Clothing is good. In addition to the assumed t-shirt, I'd like to see a
hoodie or light jacket. Ideally of higher quality -- embroidered Fedora logo
instead of printed? -- with the t-shirt being the lower-cost apparel option.

This might be my personal bias, but I'd love to see some kids' sizes too --
maybe even something designed for kids?

Mugs are good.

I like the idea of lanyards, too -- it's a way to show your Fedora identity
at non-Fedora conferences.

Possibly some sort of keychain gadget? Although I personally will not be
changing my Lego minifig keychains for anything.


>  - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
> shirt
>  with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do
>  you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
>  specifically for this purpose? 
Because we have such an awesome design team, I'd like to see custom,
limited-edition designs. Maybe we could do two, and then replace whichever
is selling more slowly?

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[S.Kemter]

Hi,

2014-09-18 22:22 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:27:32PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  > Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to being
>  > able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. I just need some
>
>  This is awesome! Thanks for working on this!
>
>  > input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible for things that
>  > don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start with. A few
>  > questions:
>
>  Oooh. Does that mean that high cost items (fancy backpacks, say) are more
>  of
>  a risk? What's the quantity-per-time for "doesn't sell"?
>
>
>  > Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for small things
>  > like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
>  > you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
>  > would want to buy those things online?
>
>  I think *normal* stickers are out, but people seem to _love_ the shiny
>  metal
>  ones (like case stickers). If those are an option I'd be in favor.
>
>  I like pens. And pencils. But I'm not sure of their value for the store.
>
>  Clothing is good. In addition to the assumed t-shirt, I'd like to see a
>  hoodie or light jacket. Ideally of higher quality -- embroidered Fedora
>  logo
>  instead of printed? -- with the t-shirt being the lower-cost apparel
>  option.
>
>  This might be my personal bias, but I'd love to see some kids' sizes too --
>  maybe even something designed for kids?
>
>  Mugs are good.
>
>  I like the idea of lanyards, too -- it's a way to show your Fedora identity
>  at non-Fedora conferences.
>
>  Possibly some sort of keychain gadget? Although I personally will not be
>  changing my Lego minifig keychains for anything.
>
>
>  > - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple
>  shirt
>  > with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do
>  > you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
>  > specifically for this purpose?
>
>  Because we have such an awesome design team, I'd like to see custom,
>  limited-edition designs. Maybe we could do two, and then replace whichever
>  is selling more slowly?
>  

Sure, we can try to do for each version one, its not a problem. We did for
last 2 releases shirts, as Till mentioned before and it looks they are
loved a lot. They was given away to good contributors, before you moan I
was not responsible for the selection who got one. Nor was Jiri Eischmann
and Gabriele Trombini, who did the work collecting the names from team
leads and FAmSCo, FESCo and send them out.

But I fear they are loved a lot because not everybody has one, so we should
measure here what has more value for us, award them furthermore to good
contributors or the dollar signs in the eyes of donald duck ;) I hope we
can do a shirt for F21 to, I already work it and waive it again to good
contributors. So start to think about doing a release party, that was
always the easiest way to get one.

br gnokii




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On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Yes! You read the subject line correctly! We are much closer now to
> being
>  able to have an online store stocked with Fedora goods. 

Woot! That's super news!


>  I just need some input on what we stock it with, as we'll be responsible
>  for things that don't sell. We're only able to stock 4-6 items to start
>  with. A few questions:
>
>  - What types of items are you most interested in having in the store?
>  Think about price points, shipping weight, etc. Here's the Red Hat store if
>  you need some inspiration: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com
>
>  
If nobody brought this up before (it's grown into a long thread now) - I'd
like to see non gender & size-specific stuff like caps, wristbands,
backpacks, even notebooks maybe?


>  - Is it worth "using up" one of the items we can stock for
> small things
>  like pens or stickers that are frequently acquired at conferences, or do
>  you think there are a lot of people who never make it to conferences who
>  would want to buy those things online?
>
>  - I assume at least one item will be a t-shirt. Do you want a simple shirt
>  with the Fedora logo on it, more of a shirt design we already have, or do
>  you want us to go to the design team and have them work on something
>  specifically for this purpose? 

Am I the only one who can smell an upcoming design contest? :-)


>  Thanks!
>  Ruth
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[Matthew Miller]

I just thought of something that would be cool if we can do it, but may not
be possible depending on the vendor. Can we include a piece of paper with
each order with a QR code which takes you to a badge for "I shopped at the
Fedora Store!"?

(Or, less optimistically, get something linked to the actual web store. But
I don't expect that'll be possible.)


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[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think this time also would be nice option to buy through the shop
the ambassadors starter kit :)

With this option our new ambassadors would be able to run events, and
would be a nice touch for the community.

IMHO,

Zoltan

2014-09-19 18:58 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  I just thought of something that would be cool if we can do it, but
> may not
>  be possible depending on the vendor. Can we include a piece of paper with
>  each order with a QR code which takes you to a badge for "I shopped at the
>  Fedora Store!"?
>
>  (Or, less optimistically, get something linked to the actual web store. But
>  I don't expect that'll be possible.)
>
>
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Zoltan+1

2014-09-19 12:01 GMT-05:00 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  I think this time also would be nice option to buy through the shop
>  the ambassadors starter kit :)
>
>  With this option our new ambassadors would be able to run events, and
>  would be a nice touch for the community.
>
>  IMHO,
>
>  Zoltan
>
>  2014-09-19 18:58 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > I just thought of something that would be cool if we can do it, but may
>  not
>  > be possible depending on the vendor. Can we include a piece of paper with
>  > each order with a QR code which takes you to a badge for "I shopped at
>  the
>  > Fedora Store!"?
>  >
>  > (Or, less optimistically, get something linked to the actual web store.
>  But
>  > I don't expect that'll be possible.)
>  >
>  >
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[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 07:01:26PM +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
>  I think this time also would be nice option to buy through the shop
>  the ambassadors starter kit :)
>  With this option our new ambassadors would be able to run events, and
>  would be a nice touch for the community. 
As I understand it, the individual items will be priced... individually.
That means it's well-suited for a single person who wants to get some
Fedora-branded stuff, but that we'll still do our bulk swag for events in
bulk. Ruth, tell me if I'm off-base here.

(Or if there's some point where the overhead of smallish swag orders is
enough that using the store for this would actually make sense.)




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[Ruth Suehle]

>  As I understand it, the individual items will be priced...
> individually.
>  That means it's well-suited for a single person who wants to get some
>  Fedora-branded stuff, but that we'll still do our bulk swag for events in
>  bulk. Ruth, tell me if I'm off-base here.
>  
>  (Or if there's some point where the overhead of smallish swag orders is
>  enough that using the store for this would actually make sense.) 
I'm hedging on this only because I don't know what the item prices will be.
They're working up that deck for me now. If it's comparably cheap, then they can
drop ship directly to events and make my life SO NICE. But if it's not, then obviously
we'll keep bulk ordering.

[Jon]

Here is a list of swag items that came to mind:

T-shirts (his & hers)
Hoodies
Stickers (multi packs)
Case badges
Ink pens
Pins & iron-on badges.
Hats (baseball, army style, beanie, etc)
Stress balls
Tea cups & coffee mugs


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[lorsyatenea]

I ordered a mug of Fedora with a local company, custom nade of course, anda
costa me like 6 dollars.

Also ordered a polo t-shirt at other company anda cost me like 20 dollars.

When they'll delivered to me, if u want I'll show you some pics.

I would like to buy an oficcial one at Fedora store.

Lorsy Julio de la Espriella
Instructor Sistemas
Centro para la Industria Petroquimica
Embajador Fedora
El sep 20, 2014 6:05 PM, "Jon" <jdisnard(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  Here is a list of swag items that came to mind:
>
>  T-shirts (his & hers)
>  Hoodies
>  Stickers (multi packs)
>  Case badges
>  Ink pens
>  Pins & iron-on badges.
>  Hats (baseball, army style, beanie, etc)
>  Stress balls
>  Tea cups & coffee mugs
>
>
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[Ruth Suehle]

>  I just thought of something that would be cool if we can do it, but
> may not
>  be possible depending on the vendor. Can we include a piece of paper with
>  each order with a QR code which takes you to a badge for "I shopped at the
>  Fedora Store!"? 
I'm not sure, but I'll ask when I talk to her again. If not, I guess there could
be a more manual process where you forward someone your receipt in exchange for the link?
Or simply the honor system. 

As to the rest of the input, thanks for your ideas! Again, right now we can start with 4-6
items. Some of you are aiming a little loftier. :-) I'll probably put a poll some time
next week for a bit more scientific survey of what people are interested in purchasing. 

Ruth

[Erick Ocrospoma]

Is this store official or something like that?

On 19 September 2014 12:10, Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  > I just thought of something that would be cool if we can do it, but may
>  not
>  > be possible depending on the vendor. Can we include a piece of paper with
>  > each order with a QR code which takes you to a badge for "I shopped at
>  the
>  > Fedora Store!"?
>
>  I'm not sure, but I'll ask when I talk to her again. If not, I guess there
>  could be a more manual process where you forward someone your receipt in
>  exchange for the link? Or simply the honor system.
>
>  As to the rest of the input, thanks for your ideas! Again, right now we
>  can start with 4-6 items. Some of you are aiming a little loftier. :-) I'll
>  probably put a poll some time next week for a bit more scientific survey of
>  what people are interested in purchasing.
>
>  Ruth
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[Ruth Suehle]

>  Is this store official or something like that? 
I'm going to go with "yes," but I'm not sure what you're looking for
by "official or something like that."

[Zoltan Hoppar]

I just hope that I don't have to enjoy the EU tax if I have to order
every time from US. At least would be nice to have at least a single
storage perhaps in Brno that Jiri can handle towards to the EU
communities. Btw - with this option I think we can make really easy
calculations according to necessary swag if the community votes that
yeah we would like to order our fedora stuff from the store.
Also in my dreams, and my head there is a thin chance, but how cool
would be to have "humble bundle indie payment slide" or "I would like
to toss coins to the fedora project" within the site, and if pay x
dollar more for charity or for the fedora project events/swag/hw
donation/$whatnot. With this, we can ease the pain when we have to
support people to attend, or when we put together the Flock. I know
legal issues around, but just this fallen into my mind.

IMHO, am I right? Or just wrong?

Zoltan

2014-09-19 19:10 GMT+02:00 Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt;:
> > I just thought of something that would be cool if we can do it, but may not
> > be possible depending on the vendor. Can we include a piece of paper with
> > each order with a QR code which takes you to a badge for "I shopped at the
> > Fedora Store!"?
>
>  I'm not sure, but I'll ask when I talk to her again. If not, I guess there could
> be a more manual process where you forward someone your receipt in exchange for the link?
> Or simply the honor system.
>
>  As to the rest of the input, thanks for your ideas! Again, right now we can start with
> 4-6 items. Some of you are aiming a little loftier. :-) I'll probably put a poll some
> time next week for a bit more scientific survey of what people are interested in
> purchasing.
>
>  Ruth
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[Ruth Suehle]

>  Also in my dreams, and my head there is a thin chance, but how cool
>  would be to have "humble bundle indie payment slide" or "I would like
>  to toss coins to the fedora project" within the site, and if pay x
>  dollar more for charity or for the fedora project events/swag/hw
>  donation/$whatnot. With this, we can ease the pain when we have to
>  support people to attend, or when we put together the Flock. I know
>  legal issues around, but just this fallen into my mind.
>  
>  IMHO, am I right? Or just wrong? 
If you go back and read my original email, at this time, this is simply a swag store with
several Fedora-branded items you will be able to purchase. I do not know at this time what
the shipping situation outside of the US will be. If it is not simple and inexpensive,
then we can start exploring options for outside of the US. One step at a time. :-)

Things like buying the Humble Bundle (I'm not even sure how this is relevant?) are
definitely out of scope, and the Fedora Project does not accept donations.

[Zoltan Hoppar]

Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
possible to make wonders?

Zoltan

2014-09-19 19:35 GMT+02:00 Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt;:
> > Also in my dreams, and my head there is a thin chance, but how cool
> > would be to have "humble bundle indie payment slide" or "I would like
> > to toss coins to the fedora project" within the site, and if pay x
> > dollar more for charity or for the fedora project events/swag/hw
> > donation/$whatnot. With this, we can ease the pain when we have to
> > support people to attend, or when we put together the Flock. I know
> > legal issues around, but just this fallen into my mind.
> >
> > IMHO, am I right? Or just wrong?
>
>  If you go back and read my original email, at this time, this is simply a swag store with
> several Fedora-branded items you will be able to purchase. I do not know at this time what
> the shipping situation outside of the US will be. If it is not simple and inexpensive,
> then we can start exploring options for outside of the US. One step at a time. :-)
>
>  Things like buying the Humble Bundle (I'm not even sure how this is relevant?) are
> definitely out of scope, and the Fedora Project does not accept donations. 


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[Ruth Suehle]

----- Original Message -----
>  Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
>  charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
>  to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
>  the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
>  can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
>  any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
>  possible to make wonders? 
One of the challenges in having a store is that the Fedora Project cannot accept money.
Everything will be offered at cost, which is also a win for the people buying it. We will
be piggybacking on Red Hat's Cool Stuff Store, so the infrastructure costs of that are
already covered.

[Jukka Palander, IT Development Spain]

Hmmm.

This sound something you haven't thought when starting this!

In Europe, you just cannot start doing this without the permission
(operating in Europe =having a store here).

Whatever it is -charity (especially) or profit making store. You will
need a "VAT" number and that requires some actions by European country
to be able to operate!

Also I refer the earlier post of Zoltan: "I just hope that I don't have
to enjoy the EU tax if I have to order every time from US."

It is something we must understand, that everything coming outside
European Union are under inspection of import tax!

--
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On 19/09/14 20:24, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
> > charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
> > to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
> > the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
> > can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
> > any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
> > possible to make wonders?
>  
>  One of the challenges in having a store is that the Fedora Project cannot accept money.
> Everything will be offered at cost, which is also a win for the people buying it. We will
> be piggybacking on Red Hat's Cool Stuff Store, so the infrastructure costs of that are
> already covered. 
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[Jiri Eischmann]

Hi,
from what I've read Ruth has found out a way to use the current US cool
stuff store of Red Hat to sell Fedora branded stuff.
I don't think there has ever been a "let's build a great online store
solution which can sell and ship Fedora branded stuff to anyone in the
world easily" plan, so I wouldn't blame Ruth for not thinking it
through.
I suppose the plan is to start in the US and if it works and if there
are possible solutions in other parts of the world we can expand it
eventually.
BTW Red Hat has a cool stuff store in Europe, too:
https://redhat.verticasshop.de/
It might be one of the options.

Jiri
 
Jukka Palander píše v Po 22. 09. 2014 v 13:34 +0200:
>  Hmmm.
>  
>  This sound something you haven't thought when starting this!
>  
>  In Europe, you just cannot start doing this without the permission
>  (operating in Europe =having a store here).
>  
>  Whatever it is -charity (especially) or profit making store. You will
>  need a "VAT" number and that requires some actions by European country
>  to be able to operate!
>  
>  Also I refer the earlier post of Zoltan: "I just hope that I don't have
>  to enjoy the EU tax if I have to order every time from US."
>  
>  It is something we must understand, that everything coming outside
>  European Union are under inspection of import tax!
>  
>  --
>  Jukka
>  
>  
>  On 19/09/14 20:24, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  >> Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
>  >> charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
>  >> to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
>  >> the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
>  >> can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
>  >> any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
>  >> possible to make wonders?
>  > 
>  > One of the challenges in having a store is that the Fedora Project cannot accept
> money. Everything will be offered at cost, which is also a win for the people buying it.
> We will be piggybacking on Red Hat's Cool Stuff Store, so the infrastructure costs of
> that are already covered. 
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[Jukka Palander, IT Development Spain]

OK, I did not know about the store in Germany. That might be the place if:

1) it would be multilingual, not just German (at least these are
required in Europe to be successful:

English, Spanish, French, Italian...

..and it would be an advantage to have:

Dutch, Portugese, Greek, Swedish (Norwegian/Danish), Finnish, Estonian,
Polish....)


2) it allow people to see the products before registering in!!!!

Sorry, but for me it will never ever succeed if it requires an user
account before you even see the products available!

--
Jukka



On 22/09/14 14:58, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  Hi,
>  from what I've read Ruth has found out a way to use the current US cool
>  stuff store of Red Hat to sell Fedora branded stuff.
>  I don't think there has ever been a "let's build a great online store
>  solution which can sell and ship Fedora branded stuff to anyone in the
>  world easily" plan, so I wouldn't blame Ruth for not thinking it
>  through.
>  I suppose the plan is to start in the US and if it works and if there
>  are possible solutions in other parts of the world we can expand it
>  eventually.
>  BTW Red Hat has a cool stuff store in Europe, too:
>  https://redhat.verticasshop.de/
>  It might be one of the options.
>  
>  Jiri
>   
>  Jukka Palander píše v Po 22. 09. 2014 v 13:34 +0200:
> > Hmmm.
> >
> > This sound something you haven't thought when starting this!
> >
> > In Europe, you just cannot start doing this without the permission
> > (operating in Europe =having a store here).
> >
> > Whatever it is -charity (especially) or profit making store. You will
> > need a "VAT" number and that requires some actions by European country
> > to be able to operate!
> >
> > Also I refer the earlier post of Zoltan: "I just hope that I don't have
> > to enjoy the EU tax if I have to order every time from US."
> >
> > It is something we must understand, that everything coming outside
> > European Union are under inspection of import tax!
> >
> > --
> > Jukka
> >
> >
> > On 19/09/14 20:24, Ruth Suehle wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
> >>> charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
> >>> to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
> >>> the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
> >>> can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
> >>> any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
> >>> possible to make wonders?
> >>
> >> One of the challenges in having a store is that the Fedora Project cannot accept
> money. Everything will be offered at cost, which is also a win for the people buying it.
> We will be piggybacking on Red Hat's Cool Stuff Store, so the infrastructure costs of
> that are already covered. 
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[Nuno Rodrigues]

I can help on the Portuguese language ;) .
Also I would like to collaborate in finding suppliers for the store.

Nuno Rodrigues

>  Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:18:35 +0200
>  From: jukka(a)devspain.com
>  To: ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora store
>  
>  
>  OK, I did not know about the store in Germany. That might be the place if:
>  
>  1) it would be multilingual, not just German (at least these are
>  required in Europe to be successful:
>  
>  English, Spanish, French, Italian...
>  
>  ..and it would be an advantage to have:
>  
>  Dutch, Portugese, Greek, Swedish (Norwegian/Danish), Finnish, Estonian,
>  Polish....)
>  
>  
>  2) it allow people to see the products before registering in!!!!
>  
>  Sorry, but for me it will never ever succeed if it requires an user
>  account before you even see the products available!
>  
>  --
>  Jukka
>  
>  
>  
>  On 22/09/14 14:58, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > from what I've read Ruth has found out a way to use the current US cool
>  > stuff store of Red Hat to sell Fedora branded stuff.
>  > I don't think there has ever been a "let's build a great online store
>  > solution which can sell and ship Fedora branded stuff to anyone in the
>  > world easily" plan, so I wouldn't blame Ruth for not thinking it
>  > through.
>  > I suppose the plan is to start in the US and if it works and if there
>  > are possible solutions in other parts of the world we can expand it
>  > eventually.
>  > BTW Red Hat has a cool stuff store in Europe, too:
>  > https://redhat.verticasshop.de/
>  > It might be one of the options.
>  > 
>  > Jiri
>  >  
>  > Jukka Palander píše v Po 22. 09. 2014 v 13:34 +0200:
>  >> Hmmm.
>  >>
>  >> This sound something you haven't thought when starting this!
>  >>
>  >> In Europe, you just cannot start doing this without the permission
>  >> (operating in Europe =having a store here).
>  >>
>  >> Whatever it is -charity (especially) or profit making store. You will
>  >> need a "VAT" number and that requires some actions by European
> country
>  >> to be able to operate!
>  >>
>  >> Also I refer the earlier post of Zoltan: "I just hope that I don't
> have
>  >> to enjoy the EU tax if I have to order every time from US."
>  >>
>  >> It is something we must understand, that everything coming outside
>  >> European Union are under inspection of import tax!
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >> Jukka
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On 19/09/14 20:24, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  >>> ----- Original Message -----
>  >>>> Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
>  >>>> charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
>  >>>> to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
>  >>>> the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
>  >>>> can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
>  >>>> any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
>  >>>> possible to make wonders?
>  >>>
>  >>> One of the challenges in having a store is that the Fedora Project cannot
> accept money. Everything will be offered at cost, which is also a win for the people
> buying it. We will be piggybacking on Red Hat's Cool Stuff Store, so the
> infrastructure costs of that are already covered. 
>  >>> --
>  >>> ambassadors mailing list
>  >>> ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  >>>
>  >> --
>  >> ambassadors mailing list
>  >> ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  > 
>  > 
>  > --
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>  > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
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[Jiri Eischmann]

Sure,
the store is not currently designed for general public, but they have a
legal entity in the EU, infrastructure for producing and selling swag
and they ship all over Europe. That's something we can build on.

Jiri

Jukka Palander píše v Po 22. 09. 2014 v 15:18 +0200:
>  OK, I did not know about the store in Germany. That might be the
> place if:
>  
>  1) it would be multilingual, not just German (at least these are
>  required in Europe to be successful:
>  
>  English, Spanish, French, Italian...
>  
>  ..and it would be an advantage to have:
>  
>  Dutch, Portugese, Greek, Swedish (Norwegian/Danish), Finnish, Estonian,
>  Polish....)
>  
>  
>  2) it allow people to see the products before registering in!!!!
>  
>  Sorry, but for me it will never ever succeed if it requires an user
>  account before you even see the products available!
>  
>  --
>  Jukka
>  
>  
>  
>  On 22/09/14 14:58, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > from what I've read Ruth has found out a way to use the current US cool
>  > stuff store of Red Hat to sell Fedora branded stuff.
>  > I don't think there has ever been a "let's build a great online store
>  > solution which can sell and ship Fedora branded stuff to anyone in the
>  > world easily" plan, so I wouldn't blame Ruth for not thinking it
>  > through.
>  > I suppose the plan is to start in the US and if it works and if there
>  > are possible solutions in other parts of the world we can expand it
>  > eventually.
>  > BTW Red Hat has a cool stuff store in Europe, too:
>  > https://redhat.verticasshop.de/
>  > It might be one of the options.
>  > 
>  > Jiri
>  >  
>  > Jukka Palander píše v Po 22. 09. 2014 v 13:34 +0200:
>  >> Hmmm.
>  >>
>  >> This sound something you haven't thought when starting this!
>  >>
>  >> In Europe, you just cannot start doing this without the permission
>  >> (operating in Europe =having a store here).
>  >>
>  >> Whatever it is -charity (especially) or profit making store. You will
>  >> need a "VAT" number and that requires some actions by European
> country
>  >> to be able to operate!
>  >>
>  >> Also I refer the earlier post of Zoltan: "I just hope that I don't
> have
>  >> to enjoy the EU tax if I have to order every time from US."
>  >>
>  >> It is something we must understand, that everything coming outside
>  >> European Union are under inspection of import tax!
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >> Jukka
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On 19/09/14 20:24, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  >>> ----- Original Message -----
>  >>>> Sure, one step at a time. Okay, I understand the Indie slide and
>  >>>> charity concept is wrong for the Project, but would be possible to say
>  >>>> to the peope that if you would like to support us - buy something from
>  >>>> the store? With that - who purchase, gets the ordered stuff, and we
>  >>>> can gain some money for eg. covering/reducing server/shop costs and
>  >>>> any other infra costs? Maybe added 10 extra cent after every swag
>  >>>> possible to make wonders?
>  >>>
>  >>> One of the challenges in having a store is that the Fedora Project cannot
> accept money. Everything will be offered at cost, which is also a win for the people
> buying it. We will be piggybacking on Red Hat's Cool Stuff Store, so the
> infrastructure costs of that are already covered. 
>  >>> --
>  >>> ambassadors mailing list
>  >>> ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  >>>
>  >> --
>  >> ambassadors mailing list
>  >> ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  > 
>  > 
>  > --
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>  > ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  > 
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[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 01:34:30PM +0200, Jukka Palander wrote:
>  In Europe, you just cannot start doing this without the permission
>  (operating in Europe =having a store here).
>  Whatever it is -charity (especially) or profit making store. You will
>  need a "VAT" number and that requires some actions by European country
>  to be able to operate! 
All of this is why we're going with a vendor rather than trying to set up
something ourselves. We *aren't* going to get into the business of selling
goods in any region. If it is really successful in a smaller market, we can
see what we can do to make it international — which, of course, we all
*want*.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Jiri Eischmann]

Zoltan Hoppar píše v Pá 19. 09. 2014 v 19:30 +0200:
>  At least would be nice to have at least a single
>  storage perhaps in Brno that Jiri can handle towards to the EU
>  communities.  
Hi,
I'm going to change a job soon and I don't think I will have so much
time for such activities in the new one and we'll be lucky if I can keep
the level of my support for the EMEA community on the same level as it
is now. So please don't count on me while planning any extra activities.
I'm OK with producing swag in bulk since I have reliable suppliers and
I've already offered that to Ruth, but I certainly can't run a shop with
swag.

Jiri