Re: [KFI] Re: Re: FUDCon Depok, Indonesia 2017 Bidding Announcement

[ekoikhyar]

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Pada tanggal 8 Des 2016 20.05, "Bau Irfan" <bauirfanalfajri(a)gmail.com&gt;
menulis:
>  salam..
>  saya bisa gabung sebagai panitia?
>  
hi irfan

silahkan menghubungi prima yogi sebagai maintainer

oh iya list ini di cc ke grup ambassadors, biar teman2 yg diluar indo
ngerti pakai bahasa inggris (y)

>  2016-12-08 13:54 GMT+08:00 Prima Yogi Loviniltra <
jurankdankkal(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >
> > Hi Bex and Alick,
> >
> > We already add the goal of this FUDCon APAC 2017 and why we held in 
Depok City
in the wiki.
> >
> > Fo the concern about team :
> > We only two for now just for prepare bid proposal. After we get green 
light
about it. We plan ask student council in University to join as Local
Committee. And we plan open registration for volunteer. We need about 10%
from total participants, around 30-35 people.
> >
> > For Ticket sale like bex already mention before :
> > Ticket sale is commonly in Indonesia. Why not set as free? Because when 
we set
free, people just register but not come for event. It is make
difficult for local committee. This decision (Ticket Sale) base on our
experience from GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 at Depok, and openSUSE.Asia Summit
2016 last October in Yogyakarta.
> >
> > Travel  expense just for speaker and some people who make contribution 
for
Fedora (Amba, etc). For ordinary people, they just come with their
budget.
> > We will spend budget from ticket sale to t-shirt and meal. Why we
> cover 
meal for each attendee? Because it will save time for people search food
court and keep attendee in conference venue.
> >
> > Thank You.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 07:48 PM, Alick Zhao wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 2. Ticket sale. AFAIK FUDCon is always free for everyone to attend,
both as in "freedom" and "free beer". So "selling" a
ticket does not sound
quite right to me. I suggest free entrance while accepting donation
instead. Besides, you need to ensure the income is fully used to cover
logistics, travel expense of FUDCon.
> >>
> >>
> >> Leaving aside the how do we collect the money and ensure it is used
properly question, I think your second question merits further discussion.
> >>
> >> I recognize that we have traditionally said both forms of free. 
However, I
also recognize that in some cultures if an event is free it is
considered to have no value by the community and therefore will receive
poor attendance, attendance from individuals who are not in the target
audience and/or lots of  no-shows.
> >>
> >> I think we should explore whether breaking "free as in beer" while
preserving "free as in speech" is appropriate for some events.
> >>
> >> Ultimately, I think this may need to go to the council, but a healthy
debate here is critical as Ambassadors are the people most directly
knowledgeable about their regions and cultures.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> bex
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > PRIMA YOGI LOVINILTRA
> > > http://loviniltra.nyc/ <
> >
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[KFI] Re: Re: FUDCon Depok, Indonesia 2017 Bidding Announcement

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

Just some notes from my side.

1. We expected this bid back in September, can you explain why you come now?

2. We made at the last FAD in Kuala Lumpur a decision to couple the FAD
with the FUDCon as our region has only a 10k budget and we can not afford
to hold an FAD anymore with it as we have to pay this kind of FAD from our
regional budget. But we still need it. You was at least physical present
during that FAD so you should know it and you also know that the purpose
for this FAD is to make the budget planning what requires to do it July or
at least begin of August so that we can submit it in September.

Question here, why you simple go now for another date

3. We granted the indonesian community back at FAD in Singapore, 3.000$ for
an FAD to reactivate the indonesian community, which is a bit sleepy during
the last years. It was you who wanted to do this FAD, so now how can it be
that nobody else from them is involved? Do you have any plans to work with
the other Indonesians together?


Besides that there are some failures in the bid, like why you recommending
VoA, most will arrive definitive at JKT and can go for the Visa Waiver,
which costs nothing instead of paying 35$. I assume nobody of us wants to
extend his stay over a month.
There are also some calculation failures (or better you missed to clean it
as you copied) you calculating with 350 visitors and 10$ for the catering a
day, makes 350$ a day so for 2 days 700$ not 3.500$

br gnokii

2016-12-08 19:23 GMT+07:00 ekoikhyar <ikhyar.com(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  - i am mobile now -
>
>  Eko Ikhyar
>
>  Fermentis & Kombucha brewer
>  Mobile: [phone]
>
>
>  Pada tanggal 8 Des 2016 20.05, "Bau Irfan" <bauirfanalfajri(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  menulis:
>  >
>  > salam..
>  > saya bisa gabung sebagai panitia?
>  >
>  hi irfan
>
>  silahkan menghubungi prima yogi sebagai maintainer
>
>  oh iya list ini di cc ke grup ambassadors, biar teman2 yg diluar indo
>  ngerti pakai bahasa inggris (y)
>
>  > 2016-12-08 13:54 GMT+08:00 Prima Yogi Loviniltra <
>  jurankdankkal(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >>
>  >> Hi Bex and Alick,
>  >>
>  >> We already add the goal of this FUDCon APAC 2017 and why we held in
>  Depok City in the wiki.
>  >>
>  >> Fo the concern about team :
>  >> We only two for now just for prepare bid proposal. After we get green
>  light about it. We plan ask student council in University to join as Local
>  Committee. And we plan open registration for volunteer. We need about 10%
>  from total participants, around 30-35 people.
>  >>
>  >> For Ticket sale like bex already mention before :
>  >> Ticket sale is commonly in Indonesia. Why not set as free? Because when
>  we set free, people just register but not come for event. It is make
>  difficult for local committee. This decision (Ticket Sale) base on our
>  experience from GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 at Depok, and openSUSE.Asia Summit
>  2016 last October in Yogyakarta.
>  >>
>  >> Travel  expense just for speaker and some people who make contribution
>  for Fedora (Amba, etc). For ordinary people, they just come with their
>  budget.
>  >> We will spend budget from ticket sale to t-shirt and meal. Why we cover
>  meal for each attendee? Because it will save time for people search food
>  court and keep attendee in conference venue.
>  >>
>  >> Thank You.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 07:48 PM, Alick Zhao wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>> 2. Ticket sale. AFAIK FUDCon is always free for everyone to attend,
>  both as in "freedom" and "free beer". So "selling" a ticket
> does not sound
>  quite right to me. I suggest free entrance while accepting donation
>  instead. Besides, you need to ensure the income is fully used to cover
>  logistics, travel expense of FUDCon.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Leaving aside the how do we collect the money and ensure it is used
>  properly question, I think your second question merits further discussion.
>  >>>
>  >>> I recognize that we have traditionally said both forms of free.
>  However, I also recognize that in some cultures if an event is free it is
>  considered to have no value by the community and therefore will receive
>  poor attendance, attendance from individuals who are not in the target
>  audience and/or lots of  no-shows.
>  >>>
>  >>> I think we should explore whether breaking "free as in beer"
> while
>  preserving "free as in speech" is appropriate for some events.
>  >>>
>  >>> Ultimately, I think this may need to go to the council, but a healthy
>  debate here is critical as Ambassadors are the people most directly
>  knowledgeable about their regions and cultures.
>  >>>
>  >>> regards,
>  >>>
>  >>> bex
>  >>>
>  >>> _______________________________________________
>  >>> ambassadors mailing list -- ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ambassadors-leave@lists.
>  fedoraproject.org
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >> Best Regards,
>  >>
>  >> PRIMA YOGI LOVINILTRA
>  >> > http://loviniltra.nyc/ <
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >> id-community mailing list -- id-community(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >> To unsubscribe send an email to id-community-leave@lists.
>  fedoraproject.org
>  >>
>  >
>  >
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[KFI] Re: Re: FUDCon Depok, Indonesia 2017 Bidding Announcement

[Brian Exelbierd]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 09:06 AM, S.Kemter wrote:

>  2. We made at the last FAD in Kuala Lumpur a decision to couple the
>     FAD with the FUDCon as our region has only a 10k budget and we can
>     not afford to hold an FAD anymore with it as we have to pay this
>     kind of FAD from our regional budget. But we still need it. You was
>     at least physical present during that FAD so you should know it and
>     you also know that the purpose for this FAD is to make the budget
>     planning what requires to do it July or at least begin of August so
>     that we can submit it in September. 

The budget process is changing and this date is no longer fixed this
way.  If it helps, I would encourage this group to think about the FAD
and FUDCon separately.  Hopefully a way can be found to drive more of
your budget planning virtually with the FAD being used for action, not
discussion.  However, the point is valid, and perhaps this point can
used as part of the decision matrix with regards to FADs as those are
available.




>  3. We granted the indonesian community back at FAD in Singapore,
>     3.000$ for an FAD to reactivate the indonesian community, which is
>     a bit sleepy during the last years. It was you who wanted to do
>     this FAD, so now how can it be that nobody else from them is
>     involved? Do you have any plans to work with the other Indonesians
>     together? 

I think it is important than an event like a FUDCon have multiple
supporting organizers.  I am sure that previous FUDCon organizers will
tell you how much work is involved.  Your comment that no one else from
Indonesia is supporting you is worrisome.


>  Besides that there are some failures in the bid, like why you
>  recommending VoA, most will arrive definitive at JKT and can go for
>  the Visa Waiver, which costs nothing instead of paying 35$. I assume
>  nobody of us wants to extend his stay over a month. 

Sirko, I didn't see anything in the Wiki recommending one visa type
over another.  Can you point out the suggestion and then use the wiki
to make an edit?


>  There are also some calculation failures (or better you missed to
>  clean it as you copied) you calculating with 350 visitors and 10$ for
>  the catering a day, makes 350$ a day so for 2 days 700$ not 3.500$ 

Actually $10 per day for 350 people is $3500.  However, at least as of
now, the wiki says $10 for 2 days.  For 350 estimated attendees at a 2
day conference this is $3500.


regards,



bex