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17:05 < fugolini> Hello
17:05 < fugolini> we can start
17:05 < kanarip> bon
17:05 < iWolf> hi fugolini
17:05 < iWolf> spevack and MrTom and fabian_a are around here somewhere.
17:05 < fugolini> sorry i had some people for dinner but now i'm free
17:06 < kanarip> roll-up?
17:06 * MrTom you did not give them mozzarella :)
17:06 < fugolini> kanarip: yes
17:06 < kanarip> JeroenVanMeeuwen
17:06 < MrTom> ThomasCanniot
17:06 < couf> fwiw: john probably can't make this meeting, he sent a
mail to fedora-docs-list but I think he was talking about this one
17:06 < fabian_a> FabianAffolter
17:06 < fugolini> FrancescoUgolini
17:07 < fugolini> couf: ok
17:07 < iWolf> JeffreyTadlock
17:08 < fugolini> Today agenda:
17:08 < fugolini> 1. Close open issues
17:08 < fugolini> 2. Start new ones
17:08 < fugolini> 1.
17:08 < fugolini> Actually we have three issue on discussion that need
to be complete
17:09 < fugolini> see
17:09 < fugolini> First one:
17:10 < fugolini> Define Fedora Event Budget criterias
17:10 < fugolini> at this point we haven't formalize anything
17:11 < fugolini> During this weekend we will able to close this issue
17:11 < kanarip> nice
17:12 < fugolini> and we will send to Ambs M-L for a review
17:12 < kanarip> even nicer ;-)
17:12 < fugolini> Someone want to say something?
17:12 < fugolini> spevack ? iWolf?
17:13 * kanarip does
17:13 < fugolini> kanarip:
17:13 < kanarip> as we have budget for LinuxTag, here's what we're
doing: we're going to break it down from a general budget for the
event to actual spendings
17:14 < kanarip> think of things like hotel, swag, booth (buildup),
the amount of square footage we have on the event, etc
17:14 < kanarip> although we're not actually spending the money, we're
going to try and keep track of what it is that is being spend exactly
17:15 < kanarip> is that useful for you regarding these guidelines?
17:15 < fugolini> i think we can discuss deeply about this in the next
issue: Event Reporting Guidelines
17:15 < fugolini> but yes
17:16 < kanarip> hmm
17:16 < fugolini> we are working to find some criterias based on the
event and regional activity
17:16 < iWolf> !
17:16 < fugolini> iWolf:
17:16 < iWolf> re: budget, yes, I think when Max posts to the
Ambassador list, that will move us towards being able to close that
17:16 < iWolf> eof
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17:17 < fugolini> So, we can move on the next topic: Event Reporting Guidelines
17:18 < iWolf> !
17:18 < fugolini> kanarip: can you send a detailed mail of what do you want ?
17:19 < fugolini> so we can discuss with more care in the list
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17:19 < fugolini> iWolf:
17:19 < kanarip> fugolini, i might, it's in the EMEA Board meeting minutes
17:19 < iWolf> I think we have the basis for the reporting guidelines
done. We just need to make sure we capture the metrics (i.e. the hard
17:20 < iWolf> I think Max made a few suggestions of what we would
want to capture in the last IRC meeting on Monday.
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17:20 < kanarip> see what it is now; we request budget and get some;
what we're targeting is to request budget with an actual break down on
what it is being spent on
17:20 < iWolf> We probably just need to take those, make sure we
approve and work from there.
17:20 < iWolf> eof
17:20 < fugolini> iWolf: ok, so we can put on vote
17:21 < iWolf> yep, a mailing list vote - we just need to dig the
things Max mentioned from the last meeting.
17:21 < fugolini> yes, that's what i mean
17:22 < fugolini> kanarip: i think this question is related
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17:22 < fugolini> to treasurery
17:22 < kanarip> fugolini, it might, but it's not the reporting we're
targeting with breaking down the budget
17:23 < fugolini> sorry, breaking down?
17:23 < kanarip> fugolini, suppose you see:
17:23 < kanarip> LinuxTag, $20k
17:23 < kanarip> breaking it down would be:
17:24 < kanarip> LinuxTag Hotel for people that help at the booth:
$3k, Booth Footage (hire): $2k, Booth itself: $2k, etc
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17:25 < fugolini> ok, i had understand another thing
17:25 < fugolini> so, it can really help
17:25 < kanarip> right ;-)
17:25 < kanarip> so that's what you'll be getting from us
17:26 * fugolini has a terrible headache (Influence)
17:26 < kanarip> as i think it's one of the majorly important aspects
for budgets assigned to events; you might be able to use it in your
guidelines for requesting and assigning budgets, right?
17:27 < fugolini> yes, it can help Fedora Event Budget
17:27 < fugolini> we split the budget in two three: 1. have some
guidelines 2. determine the budget (usgin guidelines)
17:28 < fugolini> *the budget issue
17:28 < fugolini> *tree
17:28 < fugolini> is ok?
17:29 < fugolini> so, starting the 2nd issue:
17:29 < fugolini> *finishing
17:29 < fugolini> Event Reporting Guidelines: we will vote on M-L and
then we will report Ambs list
17:30 < fugolini> ok?
17:30 < iWolf> +1
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17:30 < fabian_a> +1
17:30 < fugolini> +1
17:30 < MrTom> +1
17:31 < fugolini> next topic: Ambassadors' pages list
17:31 < fugolini> fabian_a makes review many pages
17:32 < fugolini> and i tried to make the best i could
17:32 < fugolini> there are several issues open:
17:32 < fugolini> Local pages
17:32 < fugolini> i found two big trees: EMEA and french pages
17:33 < fabian_a> ?
17:33 < fugolini> Personally i didn't list them in the page
17:33 < fugolini> ok, i try to explain
17:33 < fugolini> if you searxh page under /Ambassadors
17:34 < fugolini> you will find the pages i listed and other pages
like /Ambassadors/EMEA or /Ambassadors/French
17:34 < fugolini> or something similar
17:34 < fugolini> i think due to the type of content to split those
two from the list
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17:35 < fugolini> asking (see the bottom of
17:35 < fugolini> to make their own lists
17:35 < fugolini> i think it the most correctly way to respect the
17:36 < fugolini> It's ok?
17:36 < iWolf> +1
17:36 < fabian_a> +1
17:36 < fugolini> so, i have sent an email to FAmSCo (in the cleanup
thread) asking for help in this way
17:37 < fugolini> fortunately we have MrTom president of Fedora France
and fabian_a VP of Fedora EMEA
17:37 < iWolf> :)
17:37 < fugolini> i'm asking you to take the reposnability to inform
your respective members
17:38 < fugolini> now we have kanarip
17:38 < fugolini> VP of Fedora EMEA
17:38 < kanarip> pong?
17:38 < MrTom> !
17:38 < fugolini> MrTom
17:38 < MrTom> what do you mena by "make their own list" ?
17:38 < MrTom> eof
17:39 < fugolini> to list all the page in the /ambassadors/french
17:39 < MrTom> ah ok
17:39 < fugolini> and review them
17:39 < MrTom> ok
17:39 < GeroldKa> fugolini, what's up?
17:39 < fugolini> hi mr.president :)
17:40 < fugolini> GeroldKa: is president of fedora EMEA
17:40 < GeroldKa> hello Mr. Chair
17:40 < GeroldKa> fugolini, is chair of FAMSCo
17:40 < fugolini> i was talking about the ambassadors wiki pages under
17:40 < GeroldKa> what can I do for you?
17:41 < GeroldKa> btw. ......
17:41 < GeroldKa> Mr. Chair ....
17:41 < fugolini> we are making a list of /Ambassadors
17:41 < GeroldKa> fabian_a, is DOUBLE-Vice
17:41 < fabian_a> Ambassadors/EMEA there are only 6 pages...
17:42 < GeroldKa> 6 pages of what?
17:42 < fugolini> that's why i'm asking you
17:43 < iWolf> let
17:43 < iWolf> 's move on if we can.
17:44 < fugolini> So i will send a mail with more clarification
17:44 < fugolini> just stay tuned
17:44 < iWolf> +1
17:44 < MrTom> we will :)
17:44 < fugolini> Next week i will send an email to invite the whole community
17:45 < fugolini> to partecipate in the updating process
17:45 < fugolini> some pages, like hp, /SteeringCommittee etc... will
directly managed by FAmSCo
17:46 < fugolini> you can see this in the link i show you before
17:46 < fugolini> Any objection?
17:46 < fugolini> Ok. We can start, briefly, the second part of our meeting
17:47 < fugolini> After a month we have closed our first issues
17:47 < fugolini> but we have to face new ones
17:47 < fugolini> I spoke a lot, i want, first of all, your ideas
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17:48 < iWolf> !
17:48 < fugolini> iWolf:
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17:48 < iWolf> I think FAmSCo needs to put some energy behind your
release parties suggestion.
17:49 < iWolf> we need to make sure to push this idea to the
ambassador community and do whatever we can to help facilitate these
17:49 < iWolf> help them get some flyers, ideas as to what to do at a
release party, etc, etc.
17:49 < fugolini> Yes. I agree with you.
17:49 < iWolf> So I would suggest we work on that in the next few days
on the famsco list and then push those ideas to the ambassadors list.
17:49 < iWolf> eof
17:49 < MrTom> +1
17:49 < fabian_a> +1
17:50 < iWolf> so let's brainstorm some on the list and get some
energy going on that.
17:50 < fugolini> In fact, uring the Marketing meeting, we were asked
to give some updates over this initiative
17:50 * iWolf wonders if we could stage a contest of sorts
17:51 < fugolini> i expect before thursday to have something to report
17:51 < fugolini> iWolf: great idea!
17:52 < fugolini> i think we have first of all to have a map of our action
17:52 < fugolini> i think something like
17:53 < fugolini> 1.Event Organization 2. "Promotional" material 3.
Reporting 4. FAmSCo support
17:53 < fugolini> maybe a wiki could help this brainstorm
17:53 < fugolini> ehehe
17:53 < iWolf> :)
17:54 < fugolini> tomorrow i will send a mail to Ambs M-L
17:55 < fugolini> asking for ideas etc... meanwhile i will create a
wiki page to be used like a sand box
17:55 < fugolini> sounds good?
17:55 < iWolf> that sounds good to me - brainstorming is good and the
wiki will work to bring that together.
17:56 < fugolini> For agenda purpose i need the owners, i think iWolf
you need to be one
17:56 < iWolf> we'll need to move fast on this though, in order to
give people time to plan and announce their party.
17:56 < iWolf> that's fine, you can assign me as an owner.
17:56 < MrTom> !
17:56 < fugolini> the deadline is next mktg meeting
17:56 < fugolini> i will take care of the wiki
17:56 < iWolf> okat
17:57 < fugolini> MrTom:
17:57 < iWolf> s/okat/okay/
17:57 < MrTom> we have to take care of one important information i
think before *announcing parties*
17:57 < MrTom> we are used to make release parties here and i'll be
glad to help on this issue
17:58 < MrTom> but we often had problem concerning the release date
and the release party date
17:58 < fugolini> i read about this concern in the list
17:58 < fugolini> that's true
17:58 < MrTom> as the fedora project has the habit to delay releases,
it is sometimes difficult to benefit from the release happiness for a
17:58 < MrTom> eof
18:00 < fugolini> That's a good question, i think we could ask spot
18:00 < fugolini> but i think we couldn't be sure with 100%
18:00 < iWolf> for parties we do, we sort of announce when we are sure
of a release date
18:00 < iWolf> and usually even then, the party isn't on the actual
release date, but within the following week.
18:00 < MrTom> but we can warn about not making release party the next
day of a general release
18:00 < MrTom> or even a week later
18:00 < iWolf> +1
18:01 < fugolini> What are the main problems:
18:01 < MrTom> as we'll never now, we have to warn and inform
18:02 < fugolini> 1. with a 60% the realease could be delaied
18:02 < fugolini> (that's a number, don't take care of it)
18:02 < fugolini> 2. we could risk to make a party without F9
18:02 < fugolini> but we could use a less stable rawhied or RC
18:03 < fugolini> with all the problem it could have
18:03 < fugolini> *s
18:03 < fugolini> 3. people have to book a place to organize the event
18:03 < fugolini> 4. people have to announce their own events
18:04 < fugolini> i summarize what we have said
18:04 < fugolini> i think we have to decide a deadline
18:04 < fugolini> to say a day
18:04 < fugolini> *a/the
18:05 < fugolini> if we will not sure about the date we will see
18:05 < fugolini> ok?
18:06 < MrTom> ok
18:06 < fugolini> so at this point we have to:
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18:06 < fugolini> 1. Ambs brainstorming on flyers, activites etc.
18:07 < fugolini> 2. Pay attention to the development process and try
to foresee a date
18:08 < fugolini> iWolf: for the contest etc... i think we could
discuss about it in the list, to have more "space"
18:08 < iWolf> fugolini: sounds good to me.
18:08 < fugolini> what's the next?
18:09 < fugolini> i think this week we have just a lot of stuff to
close and a big one to start
18:09 < iWolf> I agree.
18:09 < fugolini> try to focuse on those ones and then see what will happen
18:09 < fugolini> Have you something to say before adjourn the meeting?
18:09 < iWolf> nothing from me.
18:09 < fugolini> Some complaints :), ideas, etc?
18:10 < EvilBob> !
18:10 < fugolini> EvilBob:
18:10 < EvilBob> Just so you know release engineering is concerned
about screwing up release parties
18:10 < EvilBob> it was brought up in their meeting this week
18:10 < EvilBob> EOF
18:10 < iWolf> good deal!
18:11 < MrTom> yep :)
18:11 < fugolini> good
18:12 < fugolini> i think release parties could help the "branding
process" and the "community development"
18:13 < fugolini> community devellopment: creation of a strenght community
18:13 < fugolini> 3
18:13 < fugolini> 2
18:13 < fugolini> 1
18:13 < fugolini> == Meeting Adjourned ==