On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 22:42 +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
And it does exist as a verb, but since I'm not an expert in
grammar. I'll pass the debate.
Well, doesn't matter if you agree or not, just search google images on
O.G.'s and such and you will find it.
I'm not sure how Google Images is a better authority than Wikipedia,
which you criticized earlier.
That wasn't exactly what I had in mind... neither it should
used in that way. I know GNOME is having a rough time having artistic
contributions, as Fedora most likely could use some more artists. That
probably would help you in that way, to get a more accurate perspective
of factors that would lead more people to join our project. See it as a
qualitative approach and not quantitative.
I'm sorry, but it seems I am not understanding you clearly here - can
you explain then why you propose to set up survey software? What exactly
would you survey about, and who would you survey?
> If an Italian in Germany makes a hang loose sign though....
It was pointed in the "Vatican" context.
But I'm pretty sure that if a
Buddhist displays a swastika in germany, he might get problems, while a
swastika is a 4000 year old symbol for Buddhists and represents exactly
the oppose that any german would see it.
And used in a Buddhist context, not interpreted out-of-context, it is
It's a common thing on building logos and stuff. For instance the
"blue" would be a great color for Portugal, as it is the blue of the
Monarchy and the blue of "Our Lady of Conception", Queen of Portugal. So
would be a win. While a purple would probably send us to the "mourning"
Either if we explore it or not, doesn't matter, but it has it's
relevance and has scientific basis and a whole lot of studies to back it
This just doesn't seem useful to me, sorry.
> Criticizing the photo of Samuele as being offensive specifically
> not set a good tone.
I have not critized the photo, neither the person. I've criticized the
usage of such content that can be harmful in a "flagship" communication.
It's a first approach for possible new users, those things should be a
bit more thinked of.
Yes you did. You said the photo could be interpreted as supporting
Satan. That's a critique for sure.
Like no one interpreted Nike flame logo... when it reached middle
it was chaos and havoc, while in the Western world was seen as a nice
logo with lots of studies backing it up. Eventually it went wrong.
I doubt anyone would interpret Samuele's photo that way, sorry.
No one can assure that people will be mindful of it. Though we should
try to not to commit them.
Being mindful only gets you so far. I think many of us are fairly
mindful of such things.
> No, not at all. Rather, I feel like you're ruminating on an
> problem without providing any solutions to solve it -
seems a bit ironical. Not nice. We have always to believe in the
possibility of the impossible to happen.
Curing cancer? Sure, go for it. This? The cost/benefit here is really
out of whack.
> Why worry about it if it's not a
> problem? It's really quite a stretch of the imagination to be offended
> by a picture of three happy guys laughing, wearing Fedora shirts, in the
> context of Fedora release notes, with no indications whatsoever of
> anything having to do with Satan.
The horns are usually associated with Satan worlwide.
I'm sorry but I associate actual horns with farm animals, not Satan. For
someone proporting to provide a cross-culturallys-ensitive view, harping
on a highly improbably Satanic connotation is really biased towards the
Judeo-Christian worldview. In China alone, by various estimates there
are 1 billion non-Christian people, so please don't tell me Satans are
associated with Satan worldwide. If you want to talk in a data-centric
manner, then don't make statements that cannot be backed by data.
I know it isn't promoting Satanism. But I also know that some
might took advantage of it to launch an attack. That is a part of
Marketing, preveting that a brand might be hurt by something out of
context or wrongly interpreted. Anyone can actually verify this easilly
if they contact the AMA (American Marketing Association). It's just a
simple email, they will backup most things I said.
If people want to launch an attack, they will launch an attack. They'll
find a way.
"Those who can't remember the past are condemned to repeat it" -
Though it's a nice quote, I getting the feeling it doesn't fit.
On a personal level I would like to consider that we are both working
towards the same goal and not opposite.
I'm done with this thread. Cheers