Goodbye FAMSCO!!

[Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira]

Hello Guys,

Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.

I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and 
I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.

My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my 
participation here.

I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very 
disappointed and unmotivated.

So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.

By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in 
my region without any special role.

I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to 
our local ambassadors.

Best regards!

[Juan M. Rodriguez]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Rodrigo Padula <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hello Guys,
>
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
>
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
>
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> participation here.
>
> I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very
> disappointed and unmotivated.
>
> So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
>
> By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in
> my region without any special role.
>
> I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to
> our local ambassadors.
>
> Best regards!
>
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Sorry to hear Rodrigo, but at least you did a great job in FAMSCO, giving as
much support on LATAM as you could.

At least you're staying as an ambassador :-)

See ya around.

[sankarshan]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Rodrigo Padula
 wrote:
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
>
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
>
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> participation here.

Candidates to FAmSCo were voted with the expectation and the wish that
they are capable of driving things and, being agents of change. With
your decision, how does it impact the composition of FAmSCo and, does
this set a precedent that a member can actually arbitrarily decide to
quit FAmSCo after being elected ?

[Joerg Simon]

Hi Sankarshan,

Am 12.05.2010 07:10, schrieb sankarshan:
> With
> your decision, how does it impact the composition of FAmSCo and, does
> this set a precedent that a member can actually arbitrarily decide to
> quit FAmSCo after being elected ?

We have Maria Leandro as another LATAM FAmSCo Member to take care for
this Region.

From the "Rulebook" side -

Members can step down at any time for any reason by notifying the rest
of the committee as well as the Fedora Ambassadors community of their
decision.
There are 7 seats on FAmSCo, of which 5 must be filled at all times.

from

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules

cu Joerg

[itamar]

2010/5/12 Joerg Simon :
> Hi Sankarshan,
>
> We have Maria Leandro as another LATAM FAmSCo Member to take care for
> this Region.

Brazil is big and we have others ambassadors here.

Maria Leandro can take care of their own country and let Brazil for
Brazilian people.

------------

Itamar Reis Peixoto

[Joerg Simon]

Am 12.05.2010 13:55, schrieb Itamar Reis Peixoto:
> Brazil is big and we have others ambassadors here.
>
> Maria Leandro can take care of their own country and let Brazil for
> Brazilian people.

Sure you are right, but i was speaking about a LATAM "interface" to
FAmSCo which covers many countries in South and Middle America.

I am sure that the Brazil Community will have Rodrigo around as a
regional Leader!

cu Joerg

[María Leandro]

Hello.

We all know how much effort Rodrigo put on Fedora Brazil all this years, and
most recently on Latam. Thanks to his work all LATAM country leaders where
able to meet each other in Brazilian events and personally (even if I'm
aware that sometimes my relation with Rodrigo was conflictive) i'm really
thankfull for what Rodrigo has done, and I'm sure will remain doing.

Is clear that RH-Latam has only been supporting 2 or 3 countries the last 3
years, but things change and now all Latam is receiving help for their
excelent work.

I'm sure Rodrigo has some greats plans (he always does) and this is just a
"move on with some more important things". sometimes we put the Fedora
community over other responsabilities and in several cases that works; but
we all have lives to take care of... so I wish you luck Rodrigo 'cause I
know you're working hard to get a future to you.

Most of Rodrigo and I differences are because the small support our region
got, and only the countries with a RH office (and not all) where taking all
the attention.. but that's the past; and things are improoving. Sometimes
sacrifices must be done to make things happen.

To Igor: Yes, Rodrigo has been a rol model for all of us... don't you think
that because I think different than him he is not an important figure in
fedora for me.

To Itamar: Rodrigo has always take care of Brazil and I have always tried to
help with small things to that country (I'm even taking Prtuguese class
since I went) but I'm aware that Brazil is an example of success. We are
just trying to follow the steps that fits to LATAM situations. We all know
LATAM is a controvertial continent, so please... don't be so hard. Let
Rodrigo and I solve our problems and don't try to mediate our weird
relation.

To all: Sometimes our friends go against our decitions to convert ideas into
actions. Sometimes we believe that is a personal thing, but most of the time
a friend is the only person who can tell you the truth (even if it hurts or
the other person is a dumb who doesn't know how to talk properly, like
me)... but still a friend.

To Rodrigo: Hope to still see you on IRC, mail list and if we are luck..
catch each other in some event and have an oportunity to talk personally
again. I don't say goodbye, there is no point. You are still Fedora and you
will always be.

eof

2010/5/13 Joerg Simon
> Am 12.05.2010 13:55, schrieb Itamar Reis Peixoto:
> > Brazil is big and we have others ambassadors here.
> >
> > Maria Leandro can take care of their own country and let Brazil for
> > Brazilian people.
>
> Sure you are right, but i was speaking about a LATAM "interface" to
> FAmSCo which covers many countries in South and Middle America.
>
> I am sure that the Brazil Community will have Rodrigo around as a
> regional Leader!
> cu Joerg
>
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[Igor Pires Soares]

Em Qua, 2010-05-12 às 01:13 -0300, Rodrigo Padula escreveu:
> Hello Guys,
>
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
>
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and 
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
>
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my 
> participation here.
>
> I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very 
> disappointed and unmotivated.
>
> So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
>
> By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in 
> my region without any special role.
>
> I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to 
> our local ambassadors.
>
> Best regards!

Unfortunately, this is a huge lost for our LATAM community. Even
understanding the problems Rodrigo faced, I hope we can work things out
and improve how our local community works.

Fortunately, we keep the right way in order to make an awesome FUDCon at
Santiago de Chile in July with Rodrigo's support.

Regards,
Igor Pires Soares

[Joerg Simon]

Am 12.05.2010 06:13, schrieb Rodrigo Padula:
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and 
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my 
> participation here.
> I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very 
> disappointed and unmotivated.
> So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.

thanks Rodrigo for your work in the early days of Fedora and i wish you
a good future.
> By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in 
> my region without any special role.
> I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to 
> our local ambassadors.

my best wishes Joerg

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 01:13:44AM -0300, Rodrigo Padula wrote:
> Hello Guys,
>
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
>
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and 
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
>
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my 
> participation here.
>
> I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very 
> disappointed and unmotivated.
>
> So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
>
> By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in 
> my region without any special role.
>
> I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to 
> our local ambassadors.

Rodrigo, I'm disappointed that you feel you're not getting the support
you need from the part of Red Hat that's local to your area.  Max and
I want you to be able to be candid, and we'll reach out to you offlist
so you can do that effectively.  If we can identify and solve the
problems you're having, the entire LATAM community can benefit.

[alejandro perez]

Rodrigo,

This is going to be a great lost for LATAM and more important to you
Brazil, no matter our frustrations and disbelieve, to change one
organization we have to work inside it, you for years carried out that
labor alone, now with Tatica, we have great hopes that the two of you
could help us in Latam.  I'm new to Fedora organization, and one of the
thing I have learn in this short period as Ambassador is that there is
to much to be done. All around Linux communities in general, LATAM has a
few people working on Linux development, you work done in Brazil is
excellent were there is more people involve on Linux and Fedora, and
that must be the goal of all LATAM Ambassadors get developer,
translators and all kind of people to join and believe in our project
(Fedora).
Some time we lose heart on this, but we have to be strong and as part of
a community make the changes from inside. Of course thing will not
always go the way we wanted but that is how it has to be.

This is a sad news for us in LATAM as we lose one of the support and
ears in FAMSCO.

Hope you can solve it out and keep the good work, if not good luck and
keep working with Fedora Brasil.

Thanks for all your effort over the years.

On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 10:30 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 01:13:44AM -0300, Rodrigo Padula wrote:
> > Hello Guys,
> >
> > Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
> >
> > I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and 
> > I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
> >
> > My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my 
> > participation here.
> >
> > I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very 
> > disappointed and unmotivated.
> >
> > So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
> >
> > By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in 
> > my region without any special role.
> >
> > I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to 
> > our local ambassadors.
>
> Rodrigo, I'm disappointed that you feel you're not getting the support
> you need from the part of Red Hat that's local to your area.  Max and
> I want you to be able to be candid, and we'll reach out to you offlist
> so you can do that effectively.  If we can identify and solve the
> problems you're having, the entire LATAM community can benefit.

[Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira]

Thanks by your emotional support guys!

As I told, I will stay here working in Latam and specially in Brasil, 
but now not as a FAMSCO's member.

Best Regards!

Rodrigo Padula

Em 12-05-2010 12:52, Alejandro Perez escreveu:
> Rodrigo,
>
> This is going to be a great lost for LATAM and more important to you 
> Brazil, no matter our frustrations and disbelieve, to change one 
> organization we have to work inside it, you for years carried out that 
> labor alone, now with Tatica, we have great hopes that the two of you 
> could help us in Latam.  I'm new to Fedora organization, and one of 
> the thing I have learn in this short period as Ambassador is that 
> there is to much to be done. All around Linux communities in general, 
> LATAM has a few people working on Linux development, you work done in 
> Brazil is excellent were there is more people involve on Linux and 
> Fedora, and that must be the goal of all LATAM Ambassadors get 
> developer, translators and all kind of people to join and believe in 
> our project (Fedora).
> Some time we lose heart on this, but we have to be strong and as part 
> of a community make the changes from inside. Of course thing will not 
> always go the way we wanted but that is how it has to be.
>
> This is a sad news for us in LATAM as we lose one of the support and 
> ears in FAMSCO.
>
> Hope you can solve it out and keep the good work, if not good luck and 
> keep working with Fedora Brasil.
>
> Thanks for all your effort over the years.
>
> On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 10:30 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 01:13:44AM -0300, Rodrigo Padula wrote:
> > > Hello Guys,
> > >
> > > Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
> > >
> > > I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> > >  I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
> > >
> > > My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> > >  participation here.
> > >
> > > I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very
> > >  disappointed and unmotivated.
> > >
> > > So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
> > >
> > > By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in
> > >  my region without any special role.
> > >
> > > I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to
> > >  our local ambassadors.
> >
> > Rodrigo, I'm disappointed that you feel you're not getting the support
> > you need from the part of Red Hat that's local to your area.  Max and
> > I want you to be able to be candid, and we'll reach out to you offlist
> > so you can do that effectively.  If we can identify and solve the
> > problems you're having, the entire LATAM community can benefit.
>
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[Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira]

Em 12-05-2010 11:30, Paul W. Frields escreveu:
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 01:13:44AM -0300, Rodrigo Padula wrote:
> > Hello Guys,
> >
> > Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
> >
> > I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> > I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
> >
> > My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> > participation here.
> >
> > I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very
> > disappointed and unmotivated.
> >
> > So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
> >
> > By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in
> > my region without any special role.
> >
> > I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to
> > our local ambassadors.
>
> Rodrigo, I'm disappointed that you feel you're not getting the support
> you need from the part of Red Hat that's local to your area.  Max and
> I want you to be able to be candid, and we'll reach out to you offlist
> so you can do that effectively.  If we can identify and solve the
> problems you're having, the entire LATAM community can benefit.

Hello Paul,

My main problem is with the way that Red Hat Brasil and Latam is dealing 
with the community. We didn't receive any significant support in the 
region from they, from years!!

Since 2005 all my efforts was applied here based on support received 
from Fedora Project and Red Hat USA.

Red Hat Brasil is selling millions of dollars by year to the Brazilian 
government and is helping us with nothing!

I can't stay here working for free for a company that are interested 
only in suck money from my government without any support to the local 
community.... as a Brazilian and as a patriot, it isn't acceptable!

We are opening doors for Red Hat in Latin America for years and we see 
the doors being slammed in our face!

The other problem is the way that Fedora is going in Latam, with a wrong 
focus and wrong meritocracy model! I tryed to stay at FAMSCO, but is 
very complicated to be in a meeting where I can't send one word without 
some people start a big fight from nothing!

Despite the growing use of free software in the world, the fedora is 
losing power . We're losing users and contributos to projects like 
Ubuntu, CentOS and OpenSuse.

I think we need to review many ideas, focus and make a decision! We will 
continue to focus only on the Red Hat Engineering decisions or will work 
to better serve our community and users?

In my opinion, Fedora is out of focus! We are not for servers, we are 
not for Desktop, we are not for production machines, so we are not able 
to be used by a large quantity of users seriously! It's very complicated 
to do a lecture in big conferences talking about the Fedora Focus.

I'm still here, helping as an ambassador and as a collaborator in the 
region, but now prioritizing other projects like GNOME and Mozilla.

I will not answer more to that topic, because in some minutes someone 
will start another fight!

Best regards!

[Eduardo Villagrán Morales]

2010/5/12 Rodrigo Padula
> Hello Guys,
>
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.

Thanks Rodrigo for you great work on FAMSCO.
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
>
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> participation here.
>
> I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very
> disappointed and unmotivated.
>
> So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
>
> By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in
> my region without any special role.
>
> I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to
> our local ambassadors.
>
> Best regards!
>
> --
>
> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
> http://www.rodrigopadula.com
> http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula
>
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[Juan Carlos Lin]

Sorry to hear from you this news, but any way, I am pleased to meet you and
share with you good times.

2010/5/12 Rodrigo Padula
> Hello Guys,
>
> Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
>
> I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
>
> My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> participation here.
>
> I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very
> disappointed and unmotivated.
>
> So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
>
> By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in
> my region without any special role.
>
> I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to
> our local ambassadors.
>
> Best regards!
>
> --
>
> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
> http://www.rodrigopadula.com
> http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula
>
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[Steban Baez]

It is a shame that this happens for administrative and organization, I start
fedora ambassador Rodrigo helped me, it remains an example for many.
Good luck with your projects!

2010/5/13 Juan Carlos Lin
> Sorry to hear from you this news, but any way, I am pleased to meet you and
> share with you good times.
>
> 2010/5/12 Rodrigo Padula
> > Hello Guys,
> >
> > Unfortunately I am sending this email to inform that I'm leaving FAMSCO.
> >
> > I am very upset by the 0 support from Red Hat Brasil/Latin America and
> > I'm not happy with the way that decisions are being taken here.
> >
> > My relationship with some FAMSCO members also impossibility my
> > participation here.
> >
> > I had good times at FAMSCO since the fisrt election, but now I'm very
> > disappointed and unmotivated.
> >
> > So, I leave my position and I apologize for any inconvenience created.
> >
> > By now, I will stay here only as Ambassador, helping to spread Fedora in
> > my region without any special role.
> >
> > I will keep working in the Fudcon Latam, providing all support needed to
> > our local ambassadors.
> >
> > Best regards!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
> > http://www.rodrigopadula.com
> > http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula
> >
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