[legals] Media production out of the Fedora Project perspective

[Kévin Raymond]

Hi guys,
I could not find any docs about media production without ambassadors
involved (nor FamSco approval).
Fedora is free software, mostly under GPL, if an NPO ask me if they
could sell a DVD containing only Free Softwares, as well as the Fedora
Live CD included, is there any problem? I don't think so if the Fedora
Project iso is not altered.
Is there a difference between hundreds and thousands units?
What about selling respins?

Which wiki page details this?

Cheers,

[Tristan Santore]

On 29/10/11 10:16, Kévin Raymond wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I could not find any docs about media production without ambassadors
> involved (nor FamSco approval).
> Fedora is free software, mostly under GPL, if an NPO ask me if they
> could sell a DVD containing only Free Softwares, as well as the Fedora
> Live CD included, is there any problem? I don't think so if the Fedora
> Project iso is not altered.
> Is there a difference between hundreds and thousands units?
> What about selling respins?
>
> Which wiki page details this?
>
> Cheers,

Kevin,
Please refer to this document:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines
Regards,
Tristan

[David Nalley]

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Kévin Raymond
 wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I could not find any docs about media production without ambassadors
> involved (nor FamSco approval).
> Fedora is free software, mostly under GPL, if an NPO ask me if they
> could sell a DVD containing only Free Softwares, as well as the Fedora
> Live CD included, is there any problem? I don't think so if the Fedora
> Project iso is not altered.
> Is there a difference between hundreds and thousands units?
> What about selling respins?
>
> Which wiki page details this?
>
> Cheers,

Without seeking permission anyone may do the following:

Provided that it's only Fedora on the media - and it's the ISOs that
are distributed from fp.o, no permission is needed,
see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_Fedor...

If it is a combination of Fedora software and non-Fedora software -
then you may use the Secondary mark:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_combi...

--David
speaking only for myself.

[Kévin Raymond]

Le samedi 29 oct. 2011 à 11:02:45 (-0400), David Nalley a écrit :
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Kévin Raymond
>  wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > I could not find any docs about media production without ambassadors
> > involved (nor FamSco approval).
> > Fedora is free software, mostly under GPL, if an NPO ask me if they
> > could sell a DVD containing only Free Softwares, as well as the Fedora
> > Live CD included, is there any problem? I don't think so if the Fedora
> > Project iso is not altered.
> > Is there a difference between hundreds and thousands units?
> > What about selling respins?
> >
> > Which wiki page details this?
> >
> > Cheers,
>
> Without seeking permission anyone may do the following:
>
> Provided that it's only Fedora on the media - and it's the ISOs that
> are distributed from fp.o, no permission is needed,
> see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_Fedor...
>
> If it is a combination of Fedora software and non-Fedora software -
> then you may use the Secondary mark:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_combi...
>
> --David
> speaking only for myself.

Interesting.
Thank you guys, I would prefere to suggest avoiding respin.
Providing the original Fedora ISO is great. But does "software" includes
"ISO"?

If for example a DVD is burned including a Live ISO as well as some free
sofware aside (not preinstalled in the ISO, but could be other
distributions, free software sources…), will it needs the secondary
mark? If the secondary mark is not needed, what would be allowed in the
sleeves? "Fedora® included" as well as the trademark attribution
statement?

[David Nalley]

2011/11/4 Kévin Raymond :
> Le samedi 29 oct. 2011 à 11:02:45 (-0400), David Nalley a écrit :
> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Kévin Raymond
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi guys,
> > > I could not find any docs about media production without ambassadors
> > > involved (nor FamSco approval).
> > > Fedora is free software, mostly under GPL, if an NPO ask me if they
> > > could sell a DVD containing only Free Softwares, as well as the Fedora
> > > Live CD included, is there any problem? I don't think so if the Fedora
> > > Project iso is not altered.
> > > Is there a difference between hundreds and thousands units?
> > > What about selling respins?
> > >
> > > Which wiki page details this?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> >
> > Without seeking permission anyone may do the following:
> >
> > Provided that it's only Fedora on the media - and it's the ISOs that
> > are distributed from fp.o, no permission is needed,
> > see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_Fedor...
> >
> > If it is a combination of Fedora software and non-Fedora software -
> > then you may use the Secondary mark:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_combi...
> >
> > --David
> > speaking only for myself.
>
> Interesting.
> Thank you guys, I would prefere to suggest avoiding respin.
> Providing the original Fedora ISO is great. But does "software" includes
> "ISO"?
>
> If for example a DVD is burned including a Live ISO as well as some free
> sofware aside (not preinstalled in the ISO, but could be other
> distributions, free software sources…), will it needs the secondary
> mark? If the secondary mark is not needed, what would be allowed in the
> sleeves? "Fedora® included" as well as the trademark attribution
> statement?

Yes it would need to use the secondary mark in that situation.
Generally speaking, if you aren't burning one of the ISOs provided at
dl.fp.o then you need to use the secondary mark. Any additions or
changes to that would require either the secondary mark or blessing.

--David
speaking only for myself

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 29.10.2011, 11:16 +0200 schrieb Kévin Raymond:
> Hi guys,
> I could not find any docs about media production without ambassadors
> involved (nor FamSco approval).
> Fedora is free software, mostly under GPL, if an NPO ask me if they
> could sell a DVD containing only Free Softwares, as well as the Fedora
> Live CD included, is there any problem? I don't think so if the Fedora
> Project iso is not altered.

Even if Fedora is Free Software, the Fedora trademark is not free. This
means you have to follow
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines

The following page is outdated, still it contains some items to think
about: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_Handout_Requirements
> Is there a difference between hundreds and thousands units?

No, I don't think so.
> What about selling respins?

With respins you'll get a problem with the GPL and other FOSS licenses:
Respins contain updates and not only packages from the 'Fedora' or
'Everything' repos. The updates repository however only holds one or two
copies of each package - this includes the source package, too. So when
you see the respin, the corresponding src.rpm might not be available any
longer on the mirrors. This is a violation of the GPL: You must be able
to provide the source code, either from the mirrors or on request.

This being said: Respins are ok as long as you save the corresponding
src.rpm files and add a note that people can get the source from you.
Take a look at the F15 and F16 sleeves for an example.

Regards,
Christoph