Talking points about open-source software

[Nemanja Milosevic]

Hello fellow ambassadors! :)

As discussed in our EMEA meeting, I will be invited (most likely) to a Microsoft
conference here in Belgrade, Serbia (1000+ developers are expected) to hold a presentation
about .NET developer toolchain on Linux. It will be a great opportunity to promote Fedora
and FOSS. The Fedora part I got covered, and I know what I will talk about. Mostly about
how Fedora plays nice with many developer tools, how developer friendly in general it is
and how it's fantastic with the frequency of tools updates. Also how nicely it
integrates into some of the already existing Microsoft Services (like Azure)

However the second part about open source software - I'm stumped. Does anyone here
have any talking points or prior presentations experience on trying to "sell"
the idea of FOSS to someone who is only making proprietary software? It's a pretty
hard topic and I would love to hear some of people with greater experience in promoting
the FOSS way of thinking than myself.
  
I just have no idea on where to even start. I thought about talking about some great open
source libraries for .NET developers and that would be fine since I am using many of them
and have only had great experiences with them, but than comes the issue of licensing and
selling open source software as a part of a closed software solution. Most of the
mentioned libraries are GPL licensed if I remember correctly so you see what is the
issue.

So in short, how would you present greatness that is the FOSS philosophy to developers who
make a living on selling custom-made business/enterprise software.

Any insights, tips or materials would be greatly appreciated. 
The conference is about a month away, and I think this is an interesting subject even if I
don't get to present it. :)

Thanks in advance to everyone.

Cheers!
Nemanja

[P J P]

>  On Thursday, 14 April 2016 3:30 AM, Nemanja Milosevic
> <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  As discussed in our EMEA meeting, I will be invited (most likely) to a Microsoft
>  conference here in Belgrade, Serbia (1000+ developers are expected) to hold a
>  presentation about .NET developer toolchain on Linux. It will be a great
>  opportunity to promote Fedora and FOSS. The Fedora part I got covered, and I
>  know what I will talk about. Mostly about how Fedora plays nice with many
>  developer tools, how developer friendly in general it is and how it's
>  fantastic with the frequency of tools updates. Also how nicely it integrates
>  into some of the already existing Microsoft Services (like Azure) 

  Cool!


>  However the second part about open source software - I'm stumped.
> Does
>  anyone here have any talking points or prior presentations experience on trying
>  to "sell" the idea of FOSS to someone who is only making proprietary
>  software? It's a pretty hard topic and I would love to hear some of people
>  with greater experience in promoting the FOSS way of thinking than myself. 

  I think we need not hard sell greatness of FOSS and/or its method anymore.
With majority of the internet powered by FOSS, thousands of people making
their living by working on(or around) FOSS and billions of devices running
Linux, that point is proved beyond doubt. Secondly, it could easily digress
into us(FOSS) Vs them(proprietary) territory, which is kind of futile IMO.


Considering both ways of development are here to stay, maybe it'll help
to talk about how we could benefit each other. How it is important
to have open standards and protocols so that there is greater
interoperability between tools. Proprietary software is known to use
FOSS, but without due attribution or against its licensing terms. How that
is not good for the community. Security is an important aspect, how two
parties could collaborate to have better CVE repository etc.

(just few points that come to mind)

---
  -P J P
http://feedmug.com

[Nemanja Milosevic]

>  
>    I think we need not hard sell greatness of FOSS and/or its method anymore.
>  With majority of the internet powered by FOSS, thousands of people making
>  their living by working on(or around) FOSS and billions of devices running
>  Linux, that point is proved beyond doubt. Secondly, it could easily digress
>  into us(FOSS) Vs them(proprietary) territory, which is kind of futile IMO.
>  
>  
>  Considering both ways of development are here to stay, maybe it'll help
>  to talk about how we could benefit each other. How it is important
>  to have open standards and protocols so that there is greater
>  interoperability between tools. Proprietary software is known to use
>  FOSS, but without due attribution or against its licensing terms. How that
>  is not good for the community. Security is an important aspect, how two
>  parties could collaborate to have better CVE repository etc.
>  
>  (just few points that come to mind)
>  
>  ---
>    -P J P
>  http://feedmug.com 
Well this is some solid advice! Thank you!

I've been thinking about it the wrong way, and reading your email made me have that
"this makes sense" moment. I will be definitely focusing on the things you wrote
here like open standards and security.

Thank you again for your time, this is really huge help to me.

Cheers!

[Brian Monroe]

I tend to talk about how FOSS ties into a sense of Social Justice. I
recently gave a talk at a local christian university about how FOSS share
common values that should tie into theology and general social justice
issues. I don't have time to type it all out here, as I'm late for work,
but let me know if you're interested and I can write up something more
complete.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:14 AM Nemanja Milosevic <
nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  >
>  >   I think we need not hard sell greatness of FOSS and/or its method
>  anymore.
>  > With majority of the internet powered by FOSS, thousands of people making
>  > their living by working on(or around) FOSS and billions of devices
>  running
>  > Linux, that point is proved beyond doubt. Secondly, it could easily
>  digress
>  > into us(FOSS) Vs them(proprietary) territory, which is kind of futile
>  IMO.
>  >
>  >
>  > Considering both ways of development are here to stay, maybe it'll help
>  > to talk about how we could benefit each other. How it is important
>  > to have open standards and protocols so that there is greater
>  > interoperability between tools. Proprietary software is known to use
>  > FOSS, but without due attribution or against its licensing terms. How
>  that
>  > is not good for the community. Security is an important aspect, how two
>  > parties could collaborate to have better CVE repository etc.
>  >
>  > (just few points that come to mind)
>  >
>  > ---
>  >   -P J P
>  > http://feedmug.com
>
>  Well this is some solid advice! Thank you!
>
>  I've been thinking about it the wrong way, and reading your email made me
>  have that "this makes sense" moment. I will be definitely focusing on the
>  things you wrote here like open standards and security.
>
>  Thank you again for your time, this is really huge help to me.
>
>  Cheers!
>  --
>  ambassadors mailing list
>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]...

[Nemanja Milosevic]

Hello Brian, if you think that it is somehow related to the topic, please
do contribute. I'm looking to get all the help I can.

Thank you in advance!

Cheers!

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Brian Monroe <briancmonroe(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:

>  I tend to talk about how FOSS ties into a sense of Social Justice. I
>  recently gave a talk at a local christian university about how FOSS share
>  common values that should tie into theology and general social justice
>  issues. I don't have time to type it all out here, as I'm late for work,
>  but let me know if you're interested and I can write up something more
>  complete.
>
>  On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:14 AM Nemanja Milosevic <
>  nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>
> > >
> > >   I think we need not hard sell greatness of FOSS and/or its method
> > anymore.
> > > With majority of the internet powered by FOSS, thousands of people
> > making
> > > their living by working on(or around) FOSS and billions of devices
> > running
> > > Linux, that point is proved beyond doubt. Secondly, it could easily
> > digress
> > > into us(FOSS) Vs them(proprietary) territory, which is kind of futile
> > IMO.
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering both ways of development are here to stay, maybe it'll help
> > > to talk about how we could benefit each other. How it is important
> > > to have open standards and protocols so that there is greater
> > > interoperability between tools. Proprietary software is known to use
> > > FOSS, but without due attribution or against its licensing terms. How
> > that
> > > is not good for the community. Security is an important aspect, how two
> > > parties could collaborate to have better CVE repository etc.
> > >
> > > (just few points that come to mind)
> > >
> > > ---
> > >   -P J P
> > > http://feedmug.com
> >
> > Well this is some solid advice! Thank you!
> >
> > I've been thinking about it the wrong way, and reading your email made me
> > have that "this makes sense" moment. I will be definitely focusing on the
> > things you wrote here like open standards and security.
> >
> > Thank you again for your time, this is really huge help to me.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > --
> > ambassadors mailing list
> > ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]...
>
>
>  --
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>
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>

[P J P]

>  On Thursday, 14 April 2016 1:43 PM, Nemanja Milosevic wrote:
>  I've been thinking about it the wrong way, and reading your email made me
>  have that "this makes sense" moment. I will be definitely focusing on
>  the things you wrote here like open standards and security.
>
>  Thank you again for your time, this is really huge help to me. 

Glad to be of help.

It'll be helpful if you could post a write-up/blog about the event,
your experience there and in general how Fedora was received
by the audience. These inputs come handy to Ambassadors while
planning for events. (just a thought)


Thank you. Best wishes. :)

---  -P J P
http://feedmug.com

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 04/13/2016 05:59 PM, Nemanja Milosevic wrote:
>  Hello fellow ambassadors! :)
>  
>  As discussed in our EMEA meeting, I will be invited (most likely) to a Microsoft
> conference here in Belgrade, Serbia (1000+ developers are expected) to hold a presentation
> about .NET developer toolchain on Linux. It will be a great opportunity to promote Fedora
> and FOSS. The Fedora part I got covered, and I know what I will talk about. Mostly about
> how Fedora plays nice with many developer tools, how developer friendly in general it is
> and how it's fantastic with the frequency of tools updates. Also how nicely it
> integrates into some of the already existing Microsoft Services (like Azure)
>  
>  However the second part about open source software - I'm stumped. Does anyone here
> have any talking points or prior presentations experience on trying to "sell"
> the idea of FOSS to someone who is only making proprietary software? It's a pretty
> hard topic and I would love to hear some of people with greater experience in promoting
> the FOSS way of thinking than myself.
>    
>  I just have no idea on where to even start. I thought about talking about some great open
> source libraries for .NET developers and that would be fine since I am using many of them
> and have only had great experiences with them, but than comes the issue of licensing and
> selling open source software as a part of a closed software solution. Most of the
> mentioned libraries are GPL licensed if I remember correctly so you see what is the
> issue.
>  
>  So in short, how would you present greatness that is the FOSS philosophy to developers
> who make a living on selling custom-made business/enterprise software.
>  
>  Any insights, tips or materials would be greatly appreciated. 
>  The conference is about a month away, and I think this is an interesting subject even if
> I don't get to present it. :)
>  
>  Thanks in advance to everyone. 
I'm CC'ing the marketing list here because the marketing list is where
talking points usually should originate. (In collaboration with
Ambassadors.)

AFAIK, we've not written up any talking points on the general goodness
of open source for this kind of purpose. But, we *should* because it'd
be a really good idea for ambassadors to spend more time talking to
audiences we haven't reached vs. audiences we have already reached.

I will send a second email with some general ideas, and start a page on
the wiki...

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  I will send a second email with some general ideas, and start a page
> on
>  the wiki... 
Following up on this.

I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS

See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas, please.

Also, a general section for non-release related talking points:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics

Help welcome!

Best,

jzb


-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Nemanja Milosevic]

Hello there, and thank you for replying. As I said any help I can get is
well appreciated.

I also think that this is a very interesting topic and the wiki page is
going to be very helpful.

I've expanded the "Why FOSS" page (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS) a little bit, and I hope
others will also. If I think of anything else I will add it. Please modify
it if necessary.

Thank you again all for helping.

Cheers!
Nemanja

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  > I will send a second email with some general ideas, and start a page on
>  > the wiki...
>
>  Following up on this.
>
>  I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page here:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS
>
>  See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas, please.
>
>  Also, a general section for non-release related talking points:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics
>
>  Help welcome!
>
>  Best,
>
>  jzb
>
>
>  --
>  Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
>  jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
>  Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
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>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]...
>

[Nemanja Milosevic]

Hi everyone! A small update. I have been accepted as a speaker at the
forementioned conference. I think I have enough material for my
presentation, and I will write a blog post afterwards with my experiences.

As for swag, I am planning to produce some Workstation DVDs (around 10) and
I have some leftover stickers and badges which were sent to me with my
ambassador's shirt. I realize that there is no F23 media left in EMEA, but
if there is some other swag left I would love to hand it out at the
conference. The conference is on the May 7th, so the timetable is a bit
tight. Please let me know.

Our EMEA meeting is in a week, so that is too late because of poor shipping
here.

Again, thanks to all who helped with the talking points!

Cheers!
Nemanja

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016, 13:28 Nemanja Milošević <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  Hello there, and thank you for replying. As I said any help I can get
> is
>  well appreciated.
>
>  I also think that this is a very interesting topic and the wiki page is
>  going to be very helpful.
>
>  I've expanded the "Why FOSS" page (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS) a little bit, and I
>  hope others will also. If I think of anything else I will add it. Please
>  modify it if necessary.
>
>  Thank you again all for helping.
>
>  Cheers!
>  Nemanja
>
>  On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > > I will send a second email with some general ideas, and start a page on
> > > the wiki...
> >
> > Following up on this.
> >
> > I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page here:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS
> >
> > See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas, please.
> >
> > Also, a general section for non-release related talking points:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics
> >
> > Help welcome!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > jzb
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
> > jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
> > Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]...
> >
>
>

[Corey Sheldon]

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On 04/20/2016 03:51 AM, Nemanja Milošević wrote:
>  Hi everyone! A small update. I have been accepted as a speaker at the 
forementioned
conference. I think I have enough material for my
presentation, and I will write a blog post afterwards with my experiences.
>  As for swag, I am planning to produce some Workstation DVDs (around 
10) and I have
some leftover stickers and badges which were sent to me
with my ambassador's shirt. I realize that there is no F23 media left in
EMEA, but if there is some other swag left I would love to hand it out
at the conference. The conference is on the May 7th, so the timetable is
a bit tight. Please let me know.
>  Our EMEA meeting is in a week, so that is too late because of poor 
shipping here.
>  Again, thanks to all who helped with the talking points!
>
>  Cheers!
>  Nemanja
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 15, 2016, 13:28 Nemanja Milošević 
<nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org
<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>      Hello there, and thank you for replying. As I said any help I can 
get is well
appreciated.
>      I also think that this is a very interesting topic and the wiki 
page is going
to be very helpful.
>      I've expanded the "Why FOSS" page
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS) a little bit, and I
hope others will also. If I think of anything else I will add it. Please
modify it if necessary.
>      Thank you again all for helping.
>
>      Cheers!
>      Nemanja
>
>      On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com
<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>          On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>          > I will send a second email with some general ideas, and 
start a page
on
>          > the wiki...
>
>          Following up on this.
>
>          I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page here:
>
>          https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS
>
>          See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas, please.
>
>          Also, a general section for non-release related talking points:
>
>          https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics
>
>          Help welcome!
>
>          Best,
>
>          jzb
>
>
>          --
>          Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
>          jzb(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]> |
http://community.redhat.com/
>          Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
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Jzb,


While I'm not a EMEA Ambassador, You could do  23  updated media from
the lives Ben (Southern_Gentlemen|VileGent|kk4ewt)  and  a few others of
us  in the NA region make available @ http://tinyurl.live-respins. 
(which is a  shorten-er for
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ ). We should have 
20160420 updated copies up later today or  early in the am (US/EDT
time|utc-5).  Those  can be  on  dvds if you have  blanks OR usbs.   On
my  people space  i  host a  x64 Multi Boot using those same ISOs
https://corey84.fedorapeople.org/live-respins/  (sha512sum included
there as well).

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[Nemanja Milosevic]

Hello Corey!

I am aware of the live respins and I mention them a lot on r/Fedora. I
think they are fantastic (great job guys!) and I was actually planning on
using them for this conference media.

I was not aware of your Multi boot iso, even though I was looking for such
iso recently. It's going straight to my flash drive. :)

Are you maybe planning on doing a bit smaller iso which would fit on a
normal dvd (4.5GB)? Maybe GNOME+KDE+ some lighter DE like Xfce, LXDE,
Cinnamon or MATE? I realize that it is difficult already and that your iso
is mostly aimed for USB drives, but wanted to ask you anyway.

Thanks for the suggestion. :)
Cheers

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 15:38 Corey Sheldon <sheldon.corey(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

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>
>  On 04/20/2016 03:51 AM, Nemanja Milošević wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi everyone! A small update. I have been accepted as a speaker at the
>  forementioned conference. I think I have enough material for my
>  presentation, and I will write a blog post afterwards with my experiences.
>  >
>  > As for swag, I am planning to produce some Workstation DVDs (around 10)
>  and I have some leftover stickers and badges which were sent to me with my
>  ambassador's shirt. I realize that there is no F23 media left in EMEA, but
>  if there is some other swag left I would love to hand it out at the
>  conference. The conference is on the May 7th, so the timetable is a bit
>  tight. Please let me know.
>  >
>  > Our EMEA meeting is in a week, so that is too late because of poor
>  shipping here.
>  >
>  > Again, thanks to all who helped with the talking points!
>  >
>  > Cheers!
>  > Nemanja
>  >
>  >
>  > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016, 13:28 Nemanja Milošević <
>  nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >     Hello there, and thank you for replying. As I said any help I can
>  get is well appreciated.
>  >
>  >     I also think that this is a very interesting topic and the wiki page
>  is going to be very helpful.
>  >
>  >     I've expanded the "Why FOSS" page (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS) a little bit, and I
>  hope others will also. If I think of anything else I will add it. Please
>  modify it if necessary.
>  >
>  >     Thank you again all for helping.
>  >
>  >     Cheers!
>  >     Nemanja
>  >
>  >     On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]> <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt;&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >         On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  >         > I will send a second email with some general ideas, and start
>  a page on
>  >         > the wiki...
>  >
>  >         Following up on this.
>  >
>  >         I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page here:
>  >
>  >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS
>  >
>  >         See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas, please.
>  >
>  >         Also, a general section for non-release related talking points:
>  >
>  >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics
>  >
>  >         Help welcome!
>  >
>  >         Best,
>  >
>  >         jzb
>  >
>  >
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>
>  While I'm not a EMEA Ambassador, You could do  23  updated media from the
>  lives Ben (Southern_Gentlemen|VileGent|kk4ewt)  and  a few others of us  in
>  the NA region make available @ http://tinyurl.live-respins.  (which is a
>  shorten-er for https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ ). We
>  should have  20160420 updated copies up later today or  early in the am
>  (US/EDT time|utc-5).  Those  can be  on  dvds if you have  blanks OR
>  usbs.   On my  people space  i  host a  x64 Multi Boot using those same
>  ISOs https://corey84.fedorapeople.org/live-respins/  (sha512sum included
>  there as well).
>
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[Emmanuel Seyman]

* Nemanja Milošević [20/04/2016 07:51] :
>  As for swag, I am planning to produce some Workstation DVDs (around 10) and
>  I have some leftover stickers and badges which were sent to me with my
>  ambassador's shirt. I realize that there is no F23 media left in EMEA, but
>  if there is some other swag left I would love to hand it out at the
>  conference. The conference is on the May 7th, so the timetable is a bit
>  tight. Please let me know. 
Hi, Nemanja.

If you can send me a shipping address off-list, I can send some Workstation
DVDs out to you tomorrow morning. With luck, you might get them before your
event.

Emmanuel

[Corey Sheldon]

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On 04/20/2016 10:49 AM, Nemanja Milošević wrote:
>  Hello Corey!
>
>  I am aware of the live respins and I mention them a lot on r/Fedora. I 
think they
are fantastic (great job guys!) and I was actually planning
on using them for this conference media.
>  I was not aware of your Multi boot iso, even though I was looking for 
such iso
recently. It's going straight to my flash drive. :)
>  Are you maybe planning on doing a bit smaller iso which would fit on a 
normal dvd
(4.5GB)? Maybe GNOME+KDE+ some lighter DE like Xfce, LXDE,
Cinnamon or MATE? I realize that it is difficult already and that your
iso is mostly aimed for USB drives, but wanted to ask you anyway.
>  Thanks for the suggestion. :)
>  Cheers
>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 15:38 Corey Sheldon <sheldon.corey(a)gmail.com
<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  On 04/20/2016 03:51 AM, Nemanja Milošević wrote:
>
>
>        > Hi everyone! A small update. I have been accepted as a
>        speaker at the forementioned conference. I think I have enough
>        material for my presentation, and I will write a blog post
>        afterwards with my experiences.
>
>
>
>        > As for swag, I am planning to produce some Workstation DVDs
>        (around 10) and I have some leftover stickers and badges which
>        were sent to me with my ambassador's shirt. I realize that there
>        is no F23 media left in EMEA, but if there is some other swag left
>        I would love to hand it out at the conference. The conference is
>        on the May 7th, so the timetable is a bit tight. Please let me
>        know.
>
>
>
>        > Our EMEA meeting is in a week, so that is too late because of
>        poor shipping here.
>
>
>
>        > Again, thanks to all who helped with the talking points!
>
>
>
>        > Cheers!
>
>        > Nemanja
>
>
>
>
>
>        > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016, 13:28 Nemanja Milošević
>        <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]
> >  
>        <mailto:[e-mail]>
<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>        >     Hello there, and thank you for replying. As I said any
>        help I can get is well appreciated.
>
>
>
>        >     I also think that this is a very interesting topic and
>        the wiki page is going to be very helpful.
>
>
>
>        >     I've expanded the "Why FOSS" page
>        (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS) a little bit,
>        and I hope others will also. If I think of anything else I will
>        add it. Please modify it if necessary.
>
>
>
>        >     Thank you again all for helping.
>
>
>
>        >     Cheers!
>
>        >     Nemanja
>
>
>
>        >     On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Joe Brockmeier
>        <jzb(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>
<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>        >         On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>
>        >         > I will send a second email with some general
>        ideas, and start a page on
>
>        >         > the wiki...
>
>
>
>        >         Following up on this.
>
>
>
>        >         I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page here:
>
>
>
>        >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS
>
>
>
>        >         See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas,
>        please.
>
>
>
>        >         Also, a general section for non-release related
>        talking points:
>
>
>
>
>        https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics
>
>
>
>        >         Help welcome!
>
>
>
>        >         Best,
>
>
>
>        >         jzb
>
>
>
>
>
>        >         --
>
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>
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>  Jzb,
>
>
>  While I'm not a EMEA Ambassador, You could do  23  updated media from 
the lives
Ben (Southern_Gentlemen|VileGent|kk4ewt)  and  a few others of
us  in the NA region make available @ http://tinyurl.live-respins. 
(which is a  shorten-er for
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ ). We should have 
20160420 updated copies up later today or  early in the am (US/EDT
time|utc-5).  Those  can be  on  dvds if you have  blanks OR usbs.   On
my  people space  i  host a  x64 Multi Boot using those same ISOs
https://corey84.fedorapeople.org/live-respins/  (sha512sum included
there as well).
>  
As a default  multi  not  likely  but if you'd like one or  two like
that  I'd be glad to make up and  host one and teach how to use 
https://pagure.io/multiboot-media-creator for  making your own.
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[Nemanja Milosevic]

Emmanuel, I've sent you my address. Thank you in advance!

Corey, I didn't know such tool exists, I will look into it, thank you!

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 19:16 Corey Sheldon <sheldon.corey(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
>
>  On 04/20/2016 10:49 AM, Nemanja Milošević wrote:
>  >
>  > Hello Corey!
>  >
>  > I am aware of the live respins and I mention them a lot on r/Fedora. I
>  think they are fantastic (great job guys!) and I was actually planning on
>  using them for this conference media.
>  >
>  > I was not aware of your Multi boot iso, even though I was looking for
>  such iso recently. It's going straight to my flash drive. :)
>  >
>  > Are you maybe planning on doing a bit smaller iso which would fit on a
>  normal dvd (4.5GB)? Maybe GNOME+KDE+ some lighter DE like Xfce, LXDE,
>  Cinnamon or MATE? I realize that it is difficult already and that your iso
>  is mostly aimed for USB drives, but wanted to ask you anyway.
>  >
>  > Thanks for the suggestion. :)
>  > Cheers
>  >
>  >
>  > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 15:38 Corey Sheldon <sheldon.corey(a)gmail.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]> <sheldon.corey(a)gmail.com&gt;&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 04/20/2016 03:51 AM, Nemanja Milošević wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >       > Hi everyone! A small update. I have been accepted as a
>  >       speaker at the forementioned conference. I think I have enough
>  >       material for my presentation, and I will write a blog post
>  >       afterwards with my experiences.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       > As for swag, I am planning to produce some Workstation DVDs
>  >       (around 10) and I have some leftover stickers and badges which
>  >       were sent to me with my ambassador's shirt. I realize that there
>  >       is no F23 media left in EMEA, but if there is some other swag left
>  >       I would love to hand it out at the conference. The conference is
>  >       on the May 7th, so the timetable is a bit tight. Please let me
>  >       know.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       > Our EMEA meeting is in a week, so that is too late because of
>  >       poor shipping here.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       > Again, thanks to all who helped with the talking points!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       > Cheers!
>  >
>  >       > Nemanja
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016, 13:28 Nemanja Milošević
>  >       <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  >       <mailto:[e-mail]> <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  <mailto:[e-mail]> <nmilosev(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >     Hello there, and thank you for replying. As I said any
>  >       help I can get is well appreciated.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >     I also think that this is a very interesting topic and
>  >       the wiki page is going to be very helpful.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >     I've expanded the "Why FOSS" page
>  >       (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS) a little bit,
>  >       and I hope others will also. If I think of anything else I will
>  >       add it. Please modify it if necessary.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >     Thank you again all for helping.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >     Cheers!
>  >
>  >       >     Nemanja
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >     On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Joe Brockmeier
>  >       <jzb(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]> <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  <mailto:[e-mail]> <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt;&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         On 04/14/2016 01:55 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>  >
>  >       >         > I will send a second email with some general
>  >       ideas, and start a page on
>  >
>  >       >         > the wiki...
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         Following up on this.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         I've started a "Why Foss?" talking points page
> here:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Why_FOSS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         See the "Business Reasons" section to add ideas,
>  >       please.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         Also, a general section for non-release related
>  >       talking points:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Talking_Points_Topics
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         Help welcome!
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         Best,
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >       >         jzb
>  >
>  >
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>  > While I'm not a EMEA Ambassador, You could do  23  updated media from
>  the lives Ben (Southern_Gentlemen|VileGent|kk4ewt)  and  a few others of
>  us  in the NA region make available @ http://tinyurl.live-respins.
>  (which is a  shorten-er for
>  https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ ). We should have
>  20160420 updated copies up later today or  early in the am (US/EDT
>  time|utc-5).  Those  can be  on  dvds if you have  blanks OR usbs.   On my
>  people space  i  host a  x64 Multi Boot using those same ISOs
>  https://corey84.fedorapeople.org/live-respins/  (sha512sum included there
>  as well).
>  >
>
>
>  As a default  multi  not  likely  but if you'd like one or  two like that
>  I'd be glad to make up and  host one and teach how to use
>  https://pagure.io/multiboot-media-creator for  making your own.
>
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