Kevin et al:
OK, maybe my questions really are, "Can I do these things? How would this work? Anyone want to help with it?"
Idea:
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
Following a regular rhythm (:00, :20, :40?) people give short (4 to 7 minute) talks on topics related to the Fedora Project community. This is followed by Q&A and discussion until the next time period.
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
We can recruit talkers from the Teaching Open Source community.
With some publicity and clear signs, this will draw people to the booth throughout that time. If a talk and follow-up is short, that's OK, people will mingle, and in a few minutes another starts. The frequency can be dialed up or down depending on how many talkers we get. :)
This started in my mind because I want myself or Mel to give a short info talk on POSSE[1] at least once every hour. There will be other people at OSCON involved in the Teaching Open Source community, and I would like to see some of them come give talks, too.
In fact, we may be able to fill out a good portion of our slots with people talking about open source in education. I think that the mission and close relationship of the Teaching Open Source community and education in general are close enough to Fedora Project that I feel safe in making this request and idea to the Fedora Ambassadors running and attending this event.
What say ye?
- Karsten
[1] http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
I think the idea sounds great. We do need to take into consideration that Each 10x10 Booth Space Includes:
* 4' draped counter (pop-up booths are allowed) * One counter-height stool
SO even though we have a 10x10 area it sounds like we are being supplied with a 4' counter area "table?"
I do have a 6x2.5 fold up banquet table that we used for our Release party but i do not know if that is a 'pop-up booths are allowed'
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
I think this would work well if we have the wifi Iknow that we have to pay for the wifi this year. Would have to get with Larry about if we have payed for Wifi.
This started in my mind because I want myself or Mel to give a short info talk on POSSE[1] at least once every hour. There will be other people at OSCON involved in the Teaching Open Source community, and I would like to see some of them come give talks, too.
I think it be great since Portland's Graduating class from High school this year is only 68% {don't quote me on the stat but I know it was in the 60 percentile} of what it was last year; and since Washington state is committed to education reform and with Gov. Gregoire's announcement that Tacoma Public Schools is to join Washington’s Race to the Top application.
http://www.governor.wa.gov/news/news-view.asp?pressRelease=1490&newsType... http://www.waracetothetop.org/
This would be great to promo to the school boards and such I can work on some of that localy.
Are any of these 'Lightning Talks' going to be in the
http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/detail/14332 Ignite OSCON 7:00pm Tuesday, 07/20/2010 Event Location: Portland Ballroom
If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds? Would you pitch a project? Launch a web site? Teach a hack? We’re going to find out when we conduct our second Ignite event at OSCON.
I think given the space and some time to work out details this would benefit both Fedora and POSSE given there is a direct tie in such as the OLPC is based on Fedora. Just my thoughts but of course would have to get with the others also.
Oh yes I will be working on the wiki to update it to show the Event Hall times correctly.
Got to go now have to set up another computer with Fedora 13 on it for Share House Shelter.
Kevin Higgins said the following on 06/17/2010 10:51 AM Pacific Time:
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
I think the idea sounds great. We do need to take into consideration that Each 10x10 Booth Space Includes:
- 4' draped counter (pop-up booths are allowed)
- One counter-height stool
SO even though we have a 10x10 area it sounds like we are being supplied with a 4' counter area "table?"
I do have a 6x2.5 fold up banquet table that we used for our Release party but i do not know if that is a 'pop-up booths are allowed'
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
I think this would work well if we have the wifi Iknow that we have to pay for the wifi this year. Would have to get with Larry about if we have payed for Wifi.
Two years ago (last year the it was not in OSCON) we had an ethernet cable to the booth and we ran our own wired router--provided by Karsten I think.
I can help work the booth.
John
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:51:40AM -0700, Kevin Higgins wrote:
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
Sorry, slow to reply to my own thread.
I think the idea sounds great. We do need to take into consideration that Each 10x10 Booth Space Includes:
- 4' draped counter (pop-up booths are allowed)
- One counter-height stool
SO even though we have a 10x10 area it sounds like we are being supplied with a 4' counter area "table?"
I was thinking of a design where the speaker was outside of the booth space, directly in front with a semicircular crowd. This is based on what I recall about how OSCON booths were designed last time, which is rather typical for any show. You have a single table/counter that is about 42" on top (higher than a kitchen counter by a foot.) We can move it to any configuration.
I threw up a few ideas in this SVG image:
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/fedora/events/OSCON-2010-booth-config.svg
The rectangle is the counter (tall table) and the square is the counter-height stool. In the first config I put it on the outside, which is one way of making sure at least one booth person doesn't get buried behind "The Desk" and is out front to talk with people. In the second config things are more opened, which invites people inside of the area making it harder for Ambassadors to "do stuff" in the booth except talk with people. (Harder to do a live USB station in the second config compared to the first config, for example.)
In both situations, the speaker is just forward enough to give room for existing activities to occur at the front of the booth. Ideally not conversations (2' away) but sometimes it will be. Then folks are really in a semi-circle and a few deep around the front of the speaker, but I drew in the full circle to give the bubble that we'll need.
Based on my experience in the past, that may work to not obstruct people walking by. I'm confident enough that we can make it work no matter what that I think we should just proceed with that plan and adjust on the fly if an OSCON staff notices we need to make a change.
I do have a 6x2.5 fold up banquet table that we used for our Release party but i do not know if that is a 'pop-up booths are allowed'
Hmm ... Is it a hassle to bring it down if we don't end up using it?
Have you read anything from O'Reilly about what we can bring? Can I bring camp chairs or other stools because 1 is not enough? Tables, etc.?
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
I think this would work well if we have the wifi Iknow that we have to pay for the wifi this year. Would have to get with Larry about if we have payed for Wifi.
I think John is right that we had a wired drop, and the West Coast Event Box should have a wifi AP (running OpenWRT). If it doesn't, it's my fault, so I'll find it and bring it.
What is the cost of connectivity? Are they only providing wireless or are wired drops optional?
This started in my mind because I want myself or Mel to give a short info talk on POSSE[1] at least once every hour. There will be other people at OSCON involved in the Teaching Open Source community, and I would like to see some of them come give talks, too.
I think it be great since Portland's Graduating class from High school this year is only 68% {don't quote me on the stat but I know it was in the 60 percentile} of what it was last year; and since Washington state is committed to education reform and with Gov. Gregoire's announcement that Tacoma Public Schools is to join Washington’s Race to the Top application.
http://www.governor.wa.gov/news/news-view.asp?pressRelease=1490&newsType... http://www.waracetothetop.org/
This would be great to promo to the school boards and such I can work on some of that localy.
OK, we can start putting the word out. I'll get organized with the Teaching Open Source (TOS) folks, write-up a few wiki pages, etc.
Are any of these 'Lightning Talks' going to be in the
Not per se, although I know some edu folks who submitted for these Ignite talks.
I think given the space and some time to work out details this would benefit both Fedora and POSSE given there is a direct tie in such as the OLPC is based on Fedora. Just my thoughts but of course would have to get with the others also.
+1 thanks for the support!
ciao - Karsten
Speaking of the OSCON booth, I need to get to O'Reilly a list of names of people working the booth by Monday. Going by the list on the wiki, I have the following people on the list:
Me (with Mirano as well) Matt McKenzie Tom Callaway Mel Chua John Poelstra Kevin Higgins (and Tammy?) Robyn Bergeron [Karsten Wade w/ Malakai and Saskia -- I don't see your names on there . . . :-) ]
O'Reilly originally said that booths get four passes each, but they're willing to give us as many as we need to staff the booth. However, in order not to abuse the privilege granted to us, I'd prefer to request booth passes for those who do not have admission to the expo floor for some other OSCON-related reason (i.e., you're already a presenter, etc.).
As an aside, the expo floor admission to OSCON is free, meaning you can register for admission here:
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2010/public/register
and you can still get in to the expo floor area (and still help out with the booth, too!).
Incidentally, there is one session pass that goes with the booth, so that can be passed around and I'd like to make it a requirement that if you use the pass for a session, you have to put in some time -- at least an hour? -- at the booth. Fair?
So . . . if you're on the list above, you're on the list for the booth. If you're already got admission to OSCON because you've already registered or are presenting (or for whatever reason gets you on the expo floorI ) =and= you're on the list above, I'll make a note of it.
Thanks, folks.
Larry Cafiero
2010/6/28 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:51:40AM -0700, Kevin Higgins wrote:
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
Sorry, slow to reply to my own thread.
I think the idea sounds great. We do need to take into consideration that Each 10x10 Booth Space Includes:
- 4' draped counter (pop-up booths are allowed)
- One counter-height stool
SO even though we have a 10x10 area it sounds like we are being supplied with a 4' counter area "table?"
I was thinking of a design where the speaker was outside of the booth space, directly in front with a semicircular crowd. This is based on what I recall about how OSCON booths were designed last time, which is rather typical for any show. You have a single table/counter that is about 42" on top (higher than a kitchen counter by a foot.) We can move it to any configuration.
I threw up a few ideas in this SVG image:
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/fedora/events/OSCON-2010-booth-config.svg
The rectangle is the counter (tall table) and the square is the counter-height stool. In the first config I put it on the outside, which is one way of making sure at least one booth person doesn't get buried behind "The Desk" and is out front to talk with people. In the second config things are more opened, which invites people inside of the area making it harder for Ambassadors to "do stuff" in the booth except talk with people. (Harder to do a live USB station in the second config compared to the first config, for example.)
In both situations, the speaker is just forward enough to give room for existing activities to occur at the front of the booth. Ideally not conversations (2' away) but sometimes it will be. Then folks are really in a semi-circle and a few deep around the front of the speaker, but I drew in the full circle to give the bubble that we'll need.
Based on my experience in the past, that may work to not obstruct people walking by. I'm confident enough that we can make it work no matter what that I think we should just proceed with that plan and adjust on the fly if an OSCON staff notices we need to make a change.
I do have a 6x2.5 fold up banquet table that we used for our Release
party
but i do not know if that is a 'pop-up booths are allowed'
Hmm ... Is it a hassle to bring it down if we don't end up using it?
Have you read anything from O'Reilly about what we can bring? Can I bring camp chairs or other stools because 1 is not enough? Tables, etc.?
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
I think this would work well if we have the wifi Iknow that we have to pay for the wifi this year. Would have to get with Larry about if we have payed for Wifi.
I think John is right that we had a wired drop, and the West Coast Event Box should have a wifi AP (running OpenWRT). If it doesn't, it's my fault, so I'll find it and bring it.
What is the cost of connectivity? Are they only providing wireless or are wired drops optional?
This started in my mind because I want myself or Mel to give a short info talk on POSSE[1] at least once every hour. There will be other people at OSCON involved in the Teaching Open Source community, and I would like to see some of them come give talks, too.
I think it be great since Portland's Graduating class from High school this year is only 68% {don't quote me on the stat but I know it was in the 60 percentile} of what it was last year; and since Washington state is committed to education reform and with Gov. Gregoire's announcement that Tacoma Public Schools is to join Washington’s Race to the Top application.
http://www.governor.wa.gov/news/news-view.asp?pressRelease=1490&newsType...
http://www.waracetothetop.org/
This would be great to promo to the school boards and such I can work on some of that localy.
OK, we can start putting the word out. I'll get organized with the Teaching Open Source (TOS) folks, write-up a few wiki pages, etc.
Are any of these 'Lightning Talks' going to be in the
Not per se, although I know some edu folks who submitted for these Ignite talks.
I think given the space and some time to work out details this would
benefit
both Fedora and POSSE given there is a direct tie in such as the OLPC is based on Fedora. Just my thoughts but of course would have to get with the others also.
+1 thanks for the support!
ciao - Karsten
name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki gpg: AD0E0C41
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I can help out at the Fedora table for at least a few hours. Put me on the list :)
2010/6/30 Larry Cafiero larry.cafiero@gmail.com
Speaking of the OSCON booth, I need to get to O'Reilly a list of names of people working the booth by Monday. Going by the list on the wiki, I have the following people on the list:
Me (with Mirano as well) Matt McKenzie Tom Callaway Mel Chua John Poelstra Kevin Higgins (and Tammy?) Robyn Bergeron [Karsten Wade w/ Malakai and Saskia -- I don't see your names on there . . . :-) ]
O'Reilly originally said that booths get four passes each, but they're willing to give us as many as we need to staff the booth. However, in order not to abuse the privilege granted to us, I'd prefer to request booth passes for those who do not have admission to the expo floor for some other OSCON-related reason (i.e., you're already a presenter, etc.).
As an aside, the expo floor admission to OSCON is free, meaning you can register for admission here:
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2010/public/register
and you can still get in to the expo floor area (and still help out with the booth, too!).
Incidentally, there is one session pass that goes with the booth, so that can be passed around and I'd like to make it a requirement that if you use the pass for a session, you have to put in some time -- at least an hour? -- at the booth. Fair?
So . . . if you're on the list above, you're on the list for the booth. If you're already got admission to OSCON because you've already registered or are presenting (or for whatever reason gets you on the expo floorI ) =and= you're on the list above, I'll make a note of it.
Thanks, folks.
Larry Cafiero
2010/6/28 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:51:40AM -0700, Kevin Higgins wrote:
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
Sorry, slow to reply to my own thread.
I think the idea sounds great. We do need to take into consideration that Each 10x10 Booth Space Includes:
- 4' draped counter (pop-up booths are allowed)
- One counter-height stool
SO even though we have a 10x10 area it sounds like we are being supplied with a 4' counter area "table?"
I was thinking of a design where the speaker was outside of the booth space, directly in front with a semicircular crowd. This is based on what I recall about how OSCON booths were designed last time, which is rather typical for any show. You have a single table/counter that is about 42" on top (higher than a kitchen counter by a foot.) We can move it to any configuration.
I threw up a few ideas in this SVG image:
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/fedora/events/OSCON-2010-booth-config.svg
The rectangle is the counter (tall table) and the square is the counter-height stool. In the first config I put it on the outside, which is one way of making sure at least one booth person doesn't get buried behind "The Desk" and is out front to talk with people. In the second config things are more opened, which invites people inside of the area making it harder for Ambassadors to "do stuff" in the booth except talk with people. (Harder to do a live USB station in the second config compared to the first config, for example.)
In both situations, the speaker is just forward enough to give room for existing activities to occur at the front of the booth. Ideally not conversations (2' away) but sometimes it will be. Then folks are really in a semi-circle and a few deep around the front of the speaker, but I drew in the full circle to give the bubble that we'll need.
Based on my experience in the past, that may work to not obstruct people walking by. I'm confident enough that we can make it work no matter what that I think we should just proceed with that plan and adjust on the fly if an OSCON staff notices we need to make a change.
I do have a 6x2.5 fold up banquet table that we used for our Release
party
but i do not know if that is a 'pop-up booths are allowed'
Hmm ... Is it a hassle to bring it down if we don't end up using it?
Have you read anything from O'Reilly about what we can bring? Can I bring camp chairs or other stools because 1 is not enough? Tables, etc.?
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
I think this would work well if we have the wifi Iknow that we have to pay for the wifi this year. Would have to get with Larry about if we have payed for Wifi.
I think John is right that we had a wired drop, and the West Coast Event Box should have a wifi AP (running OpenWRT). If it doesn't, it's my fault, so I'll find it and bring it.
What is the cost of connectivity? Are they only providing wireless or are wired drops optional?
This started in my mind because I want myself or Mel to give a short info talk on POSSE[1] at least once every hour. There will be other people at OSCON involved in the Teaching Open Source community, and I would like to see some of them come give talks, too.
I think it be great since Portland's Graduating class from High school this year is only 68% {don't quote me on the stat but I know it was in the 60 percentile} of what it was last year; and since Washington state is committed to education reform and with Gov. Gregoire's announcement that Tacoma Public Schools is to join Washington’s Race to the Top application.
http://www.governor.wa.gov/news/news-view.asp?pressRelease=1490&newsType...
http://www.waracetothetop.org/
This would be great to promo to the school boards and such I can work on some of that localy.
OK, we can start putting the word out. I'll get organized with the Teaching Open Source (TOS) folks, write-up a few wiki pages, etc.
Are any of these 'Lightning Talks' going to be in the
Not per se, although I know some edu folks who submitted for these Ignite talks.
I think given the space and some time to work out details this would
benefit
both Fedora and POSSE given there is a direct tie in such as the OLPC is based on Fedora. Just my thoughts but of course would have to get with the others also.
+1 thanks for the support!
ciao - Karsten
name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki gpg: AD0E0C41
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Actually, Mark, it's a self-serve list at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2010 -- go ahead and add yourself to the chart.
Thanks for stepping up.
Larry Cafiero
2010/7/2 Mark Terranova mark@gidgetkitchen.org
I can help out at the Fedora table for at least a few hours. Put me on the list :)
2010/6/30 Larry Cafiero larry.cafiero@gmail.com
Speaking of the OSCON booth, I need to get to O'Reilly a list of names of
people working the booth by Monday. Going by the list on the wiki, I have the following people on the list:
Me (with Mirano as well) Matt McKenzie Tom Callaway Mel Chua John Poelstra Kevin Higgins (and Tammy?) Robyn Bergeron [Karsten Wade w/ Malakai and Saskia -- I don't see your names on there . . . :-) ]
O'Reilly originally said that booths get four passes each, but they're willing to give us as many as we need to staff the booth. However, in order not to abuse the privilege granted to us, I'd prefer to request booth passes for those who do not have admission to the expo floor for some other OSCON-related reason (i.e., you're already a presenter, etc.).
As an aside, the expo floor admission to OSCON is free, meaning you can register for admission here:
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2010/public/register
and you can still get in to the expo floor area (and still help out with the booth, too!).
Incidentally, there is one session pass that goes with the booth, so that can be passed around and I'd like to make it a requirement that if you use the pass for a session, you have to put in some time -- at least an hour? -- at the booth. Fair?
So . . . if you're on the list above, you're on the list for the booth. If you're already got admission to OSCON because you've already registered or are presenting (or for whatever reason gets you on the expo floorI ) =and= you're on the list above, I'll make a note of it.
Thanks, folks.
Larry Cafiero
2010/6/28 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:51:40AM -0700, Kevin Higgins wrote:
During open floor hours at OSCON (when conf attendees can go out to walk around), schedule a series of short informative talks at the Fedora booth.
Sorry, slow to reply to my own thread.
I think the idea sounds great. We do need to take into consideration that Each 10x10 Booth Space Includes:
- 4' draped counter (pop-up booths are allowed)
- One counter-height stool
SO even though we have a 10x10 area it sounds like we are being supplied with a 4' counter area "table?"
I was thinking of a design where the speaker was outside of the booth space, directly in front with a semicircular crowd. This is based on what I recall about how OSCON booths were designed last time, which is rather typical for any show. You have a single table/counter that is about 42" on top (higher than a kitchen counter by a foot.) We can move it to any configuration.
I threw up a few ideas in this SVG image:
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/fedora/events/OSCON-2010-booth-config.svg
The rectangle is the counter (tall table) and the square is the counter-height stool. In the first config I put it on the outside, which is one way of making sure at least one booth person doesn't get buried behind "The Desk" and is out front to talk with people. In the second config things are more opened, which invites people inside of the area making it harder for Ambassadors to "do stuff" in the booth except talk with people. (Harder to do a live USB station in the second config compared to the first config, for example.)
In both situations, the speaker is just forward enough to give room for existing activities to occur at the front of the booth. Ideally not conversations (2' away) but sometimes it will be. Then folks are really in a semi-circle and a few deep around the front of the speaker, but I drew in the full circle to give the bubble that we'll need.
Based on my experience in the past, that may work to not obstruct people walking by. I'm confident enough that we can make it work no matter what that I think we should just proceed with that plan and adjust on the fly if an OSCON staff notices we need to make a change.
I do have a 6x2.5 fold up banquet table that we used for our Release
party
but i do not know if that is a 'pop-up booths are allowed'
Hmm ... Is it a hassle to bring it down if we don't end up using it?
Have you read anything from O'Reilly about what we can bring? Can I bring camp chairs or other stools because 1 is not enough? Tables, etc.?
We can get this on the various RSS and mblog feeds (#oscon, etc.), clear signs, and other things that occur as we are there.
I think this would work well if we have the wifi Iknow that we have to pay for the wifi this year. Would have to get with Larry about if we have payed for Wifi.
I think John is right that we had a wired drop, and the West Coast Event Box should have a wifi AP (running OpenWRT). If it doesn't, it's my fault, so I'll find it and bring it.
What is the cost of connectivity? Are they only providing wireless or are wired drops optional?
This started in my mind because I want myself or Mel to give a short info talk on POSSE[1] at least once every hour. There will be other people at OSCON involved in the Teaching Open Source community, and I would like to see some of them come give talks, too.
I think it be great since Portland's Graduating class from High school this year is only 68% {don't quote me on the stat but I know it was in the 60 percentile} of what it was last year; and since Washington state is committed to education reform and with Gov. Gregoire's announcement that Tacoma Public Schools is to join Washington’s Race to the Top application.
http://www.governor.wa.gov/news/news-view.asp?pressRelease=1490&newsType...
http://www.waracetothetop.org/
This would be great to promo to the school boards and such I can work on some of that localy.
OK, we can start putting the word out. I'll get organized with the Teaching Open Source (TOS) folks, write-up a few wiki pages, etc.
Are any of these 'Lightning Talks' going to be in the
Not per se, although I know some edu folks who submitted for these Ignite talks.
I think given the space and some time to work out details this would
benefit
both Fedora and POSSE given there is a direct tie in such as the OLPC is based on Fedora. Just my thoughts but of course would have to get with the others also.
+1 thanks for the support!
ciao - Karsten
name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki gpg: AD0E0C41
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