Fedora Screencasting Project - once again

[Pawel Sadowski]

Hi,

I am sending this e-mail again, cos nobody has responde. Maybe it's
because it is a bad idea, I don't know... maybe it was lost in tons of
mails... :) Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could give me a
feedback on this :>

I have an idea for a new project in the Fedora World. It would be called
Fedora Screencasting, as in the topic :) We would prepare movies with
presentations how to do particular tasks in Fedora Core. Someting like
Red Hat's Linux is Easy. I have prepared the examplary movie, you can
get it at: http://republika.pl/mcgiwer/video.ogg. The videos would be in
the .ogg format. We could also prepare e.g. flash or .avi animations to
play directly from the website. I think it would be much helpful for new
Fedora users. We could also prepare localized versions for different
languages, I think it would not be many work and there would be people
willing to do it :)

I am waiting for your opinions. If you think it is a good idea, I will
prepare a Wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org and let's start! :)


Regards,
Pawel Sadowski

[Alex]

Pawel,

I like the idea, and I think it is great that you have made the first
step and created a prototype.

I think video tutorials really have potential in teaching less
technical users to perfom basic tasks on their machines and taking the
fear away that you need to use command line all the time if you work
under Linux.

Let's start a list of simple tutorials we need to cover, all in videos
under 3 minutes duration:

- install fedora
- install new software package
- remove package
- configure network (wired)
- confgure network (wireless)
-
-
-

Folks, please help fill in the blanks! :)

When we have the list, Pawel can share his know-how in producing these
demo videos and we can divvy up the work and knock them out one by
one. Just make sure the sound quality is a bit better in the ones we
release.

Cheers,
a

On 7/20/06, Pawel Sadowski <mcgiwer(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I am sending this e-mail again, cos nobody has responde. Maybe it's
>  because it is a bad idea, I don't know... maybe it was lost in tons of
>  mails... :) Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could give me a
>  feedback on this :>
>
>  I have an idea for a new project in the Fedora World. It would be called
>  Fedora Screencasting, as in the topic :) We would prepare movies with
>  presentations how to do particular tasks in Fedora Core. Someting like
>  Red Hat's Linux is Easy. I have prepared the examplary movie, you can
>  get it at: http://republika.pl/mcgiwer/video.ogg. The videos would be in
>  the .ogg format. We could also prepare e.g. flash or .avi animations to
>  play directly from the website. I think it would be much helpful for new
>  Fedora users. We could also prepare localized versions for different
>  languages, I think it would not be many work and there would be people
>  willing to do it :)
>
>  I am waiting for your opinions. If you think it is a good idea, I will
>  prepare a Wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org and let's start! :)
>
>
>  Regards,
>  Pawel Sadowski
>
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[Rahul Sundaram]

[This is probably better discusssed in fedora-marketing list]

Pawel Sadowski wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I am sending this e-mail again, cos nobody has responde. Maybe it's
>  because it is a bad idea, I don't know... maybe it was lost in tons of
>  mails... :) Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could give me a
>  feedback on this :> 
The video should fit the whole screen and it is too slow. If you are 
using Istanbul, you can change the preferences to fix this.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting

>  
>  I have an idea for a new project in the Fedora World. It would be called
>  Fedora Screencasting, as in the topic :) We would prepare movies with
>  presentations how to do particular tasks in Fedora Core. Someting like
>  Red Hat's Linux is Easy. I have prepared the examplary movie, you can
>  get it at: http://republika.pl/mcgiwer/video.ogg. The videos would be in
>  the .ogg format. We could also prepare e.g. flash or .avi animations to
>  play directly from the website. I think it would be much helpful for new
>  Fedora users. We could also prepare localized versions for different
>  languages, I think it would not be many work and there would be people
>  willing to do it :) 
Not a new idea but it's always a effort.
>  
>  I am waiting for your opinions. If you think it is a good idea, I will
>  prepare a Wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org and let's start! :)
>   
There is already some videos and screenshots in 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours

Concentrating on the new features in Fedora Core 6 would be quite useful 
at this point for a friendly introduction to new users. Most of the new 
features would be there in test 2 release

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule

Rahul

[Max Spevack]

> > I am sending this e-mail again, cos nobody has responde. Maybe
> it's 
> > because it is a bad idea, I don't know... maybe it was lost in tons of 
> > mails... :) Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could give me a 
> > feedback on this :> 
I just downloaded and watched your video Pawel, and I'm very impressed.  I 
love it when someone *take action* to make something happen, and this 
video is a perfect example.

It's a great prototype -- Rahul had some suggestions about size or speed, 
or whatever, but those are just details of the program that was used.  I 
think it's a great example of how we can build a library of videos that 
can teach people Fedora.

The key, in my opinion, is to talk slowly, and very clearly, in whatever 
language you are using, so that people can understand what is being said 
as easily as possible.

I'd love to see you work on this more, and integrate with the 
ScreenCasting page that's already up on the wiki.  It's good stuff.

My recommendation -- take Alex's list of topics that she started, and 
let's make a few videos using the fc6-test1 or -test2 install, so that we 
can have some video tutorials to roll out on the same day as fc6 -- we can 
link to them off of the redhat.com/fedora page, and off of fp.o, and add 
it to the "Tours" videos that already exist.

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[Pawel Sadowski]

On 20-07-2006, thu at 15:54 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
>  >> I am sending this e-mail again, cos nobody has responde.
> Maybe it's 
>  >> because it is a bad idea, I don't know... maybe it was lost in tons of 
>  >> mails... :) Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could give me a 
>  >> feedback on this :>
>  
>  I just downloaded and watched your video Pawel, and I'm very impressed.  I 
>  love it when someone *take action* to make something happen, and this 
>  video is a perfect example.
>  
>  It's a great prototype -- Rahul had some suggestions about size or speed, 
>  or whatever, but those are just details of the program that was used.  I 
>  think it's a great example of how we can build a library of videos that 
>  can teach people Fedora.
>  
>  The key, in my opinion, is to talk slowly, and very clearly, in whatever 
>  language you are using, so that people can understand what is being said 
>  as easily as possible.
>  
>  I'd love to see you work on this more, and integrate with the 
>  ScreenCasting page that's already up on the wiki.  It's good stuff.
>  
>  My recommendation -- take Alex's list of topics that she started, and 
>  let's make a few videos using the fc6-test1 or -test2 install, so that we 
>  can have some video tutorials to roll out on the same day as fc6 -- we can 
>  link to them off of the redhat.com/fedora page, and off of fp.o, and add 
>  it to the "Tours" videos that already exist. 
Thanks for your opinion, Max :) There are two short sound interrupts - I
think it's because of too slow computer or something. I have used
xvidcap, because it captures and records video and sound in the same
time. I have seen the videos Rahul has mentioned, but it was just
installation and presentation of the system, so the howtos on
particulart topics can be very valuable. I will prepare more videos on
the topics Alex has mentioned in her mail. I will integrate it with the
existing ScreenCasting page and install one of FC6 test versions and
perform it for the new release. I will also strive to speak as clearly
as I am able to :)

So let's start! :)

Regards,
Pawel

[Thomas Canniot]

Le jeudi 20 juillet 2006 à 21:15 +0200, Pawel Sadowski a écrit :
>  Hi,
>  
>  I am sending this e-mail again, cos nobody has responde. Maybe it's
>  because it is a bad idea, I don't know... maybe it was lost in tons of
>  mails... :) Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could give me a
>  feedback on this :>
>  
>  I have an idea for a new project in the Fedora World. It would be called
>  Fedora Screencasting, as in the topic :) We would prepare movies with
>  presentations how to do particular tasks in Fedora Core. Someting like
>  Red Hat's Linux is Easy. I have prepared the examplary movie, you can
>  get it at: http://republika.pl/mcgiwer/video.ogg. The videos would be in
>  the .ogg format. We could also prepare e.g. flash or .avi animations to
>  play directly from the website. I think it would be much helpful for new
>  Fedora users. We could also prepare localized versions for different
>  languages, I think it would not be many work and there would be people
>  willing to do it :)
>  
>  I am waiting for your opinions. If you think it is a good idea, I will
>  prepare a Wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org and let's start! :)
>  
>  
>  Regards,
>  Pawel Sadowski 
What I made several months ago :

http://mrtomlinux.org/pub/

From a technical point of view, I think that chosing ogg will prevent
users to have easy access to the video. I'm not talking about Linux
users, but about windows users, that these video would help to convince
of the ease of use of some distributions.

Flash is not free and requieres a plug-in.

Gif image format is not free, no more patented and supported by all web
browser. The easier to use. However, we will lack sound.

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas Canniot
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot

[Pawel Sadowski]

Ok, I am already downloading FC6 test 2. For better sound I will use an
external microphone (now I have used a built-in notebook microphone). I
will also inegrate the already existing wiki page with my idea and in
the morning you should see the effects :)

Cheers,
Pawel

[Rahul Sundaram]

Pawel Sadowski wrote:
>  Ok, I am already downloading FC6 test 2. For better sound I will use
> an
>  external microphone (now I have used a built-in notebook microphone). I
>  will also inegrate the already existing wiki page with my idea and in
>  the morning you should see the effects :)
>   
FC6 Test 2 release is not available yet and is expected only a week 
later. You are probably downloading either the Test 1 or a development 
version. Just FYI

Rahul

[Pawel Sadowski]

On 21-07-2006, fri at 02:48 +0530, Rahul wrote:
>  Pawel Sadowski wrote:
>  > Ok, I am already downloading FC6 test 2. For better sound I will use an
>  > external microphone (now I have used a built-in notebook microphone). I
>  > will also inegrate the already existing wiki page with my idea and in
>  > the morning you should see the effects :)
>  > 
>  
>  FC6 Test 2 release is not available yet and is expected only a week 
>  later. You are probably downloading either the Test 1 or a development 
>  version. Just FYI
>  
>  Rahul 
You're right Rahul, my mistake. It's test 1 :) ~6 hours remaining :)

Cheers,
Pawel

[Thomas Chung]

On 7/20/06, Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:
>  From a technical point of view, I think that chosing ogg will
> prevent
>  users to have easy access to the video. I'm not talking about Linux
>  users, but about windows users, that these video would help to convince
>  of the ease of use of some distributions. 
True but there is Ogg Codecs for Windows users.
We should simply refer to this link for Windows users.
http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/
BTW, there are many useful FAQ for Ogg Theora Video at
http://theora.org/theorafaq.html

Regards,
-- 
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

[Pawel Sadowski]

Huh, because of incoming storm I have to save results of my work and
stop writing. When it will be after the storm I will show it to you.
Sorry for the inconvienience and please be patient :)

Cheers,
Pawel

[Dimitris Glezos]

Στις 21-07-2006, ημέρα Παρ, και ώρα 17:47 +0200, ο/η Pawel Sadowski
έγραψε:
>  Huh, because of incoming storm I have to save results of my work and
>  stop writing. When it will be after the storm I will show it to you.
>  Sorry for the inconvenience and please be patient :) 
No inconvenience Pawel. Keep up the good work! =)

-dim



-- 
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Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
http://dimitris.glezos.com/


"He who gives up functionality for ease of use
loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
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[Pawel Sadowski]

Ok, I have integrated the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting with
my idea. You can see if it's good and send feedback to me. Now I will
contact somebody, propably Rahul or Chitlesh for more information on
uploading files to the Wiki.

Regards,
Pawel

[Rahul Sundaram]

Pawel Sadowski wrote:
>  Ok, I have integrated the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting
>
>  with my idea. You can see if it's good and send feedback to me. Now I 
>  will contact somebody, propably Rahul or Chitlesh for more information 
>  on uploading files to the Wiki.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Pawel
>   

We generally prefer documenting software in the formal Fedora 
repositories. Xvidcap is under GPL. So its a good Fedora Extras 
candidate. Ping Axel to see if he is interested in moving this package 
from his repository. He is the Fedora Packaging Committee 
(http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingGroup) and might be willing 
  to push this. Anyone here like involved in Fedora Extras are free to 
help too.

For attachments in the wiki, click on "Attachments" in "More Actions"

menu. It should be obvious what to do after that.

Rahul

[Pawel Sadowski]

On 7/22/06, Rahul <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Pawel Sadowski wrote:
>  > Ok, I have integrated the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting
>  > with my idea. You can see if it's good and send feedback to me. Now I
>  > will contact somebody, propably Rahul or Chitlesh for more information
>  > on uploading files to the Wiki.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Pawel
>  >
>
>
>  We generally prefer documenting software in the formal Fedora
>  repositories. Xvidcap is under GPL. So its a good Fedora Extras
>  candidate. Ping Axel to see if he is interested in moving this package
>  from his repository. He is the Fedora Packaging Committee
>  (http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingGroup) and might be willing
>    to push this. Anyone here like involved in Fedora Extras are free to
>  help too.
>
>  For attachments in the wiki, click on "Attachments" in "More
> Actions"
>  menu. It should be obvious what to do after that.
>
>  Rahul 

Thanks a lot, Rahul! :) That is exactly what I wanted to ask you for :) You
have pre-empted my question :)

Regards,
Pawel