Hi all!
Fedora Infrastructure announced the Fedora Calendar few days ago. And the first idea, which I have looking at the fedocal, is separate calendar for ambassador's events. I think it will be very useful!
Fedocal documentation says that only administrators can add new calendars [1], and then every FAS user can create events in it [2]. Meetings can be tagged by region, so everybody can check out only the meetings within his region.
So is anybody working on that? Who can administrate our calendar?
[1] - http://fedocal.readthedocs.org/en/latest/usage.html#create-calendar [2] - http://fedocal.readthedocs.org/en/latest/usage.html#create-meeting
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 12:21 +0400, Inna Kabanova wrote:
Fedocal documentation says that only administrators can add new calendars [1], and then every FAS user can create events in it [2]. Meetings can be tagged by region, so everybody can check out only the meetings within his region.
So is anybody working on that? Who can administrate our calendar?
They've already set up calendars for the fedora-meeting channels that we can add meetings too. If you want them to create a calendar for events, please just file a ticket on the infra trac and they'll do it for you.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket
Am Mittwoch, den 08.05.2013, 12:21 +0400 schrieb Inna Kabanova:
Hi all!
Fedora Infrastructure announced the Fedora Calendar few days ago.
Hi Inna,
thanks for letting us know. This is awesome!
And the first idea, which I have looking at the fedocal, is separate calendar for ambassador's events. I think it will be very useful!
Yes, we have been waiting got a replacement for the events wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events for quite a while.
Fedocal documentation says that only administrators can add new calendars [1], and then every FAS user can create events in it [2]. Meetings can be tagged by region, so everybody can check out only the meetings within his region.
So is anybody working on that? Who can administrate our calendar?
I have created a request for a calendar at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3797
The idea is that members of FAmSCo will serve as administrators, but of cause all members will be able to add events.
Kind regards, Christoph
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 11:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have created a request for a calendar at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3797
The idea is that members of FAmSCo will serve as administrators, but of cause all members will be able to add events.
In this case there is a mis-understanding, if created as such only famsco members will be able to add events, I believe what you want is to restrict adding meetings to the ambassador group. At the moment there is no administrator group per calendar.
Pierre
Am Mittwoch, den 08.05.2013, 11:55 +0200 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 11:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have created a request for a calendar at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3797
The idea is that members of FAmSCo will serve as administrators, but of cause all members will be able to add events.
In this case there is a mis-understanding, if created as such only famsco members will be able to add events, I believe what you want is to restrict adding meetings to the ambassador group.
No, in fact I think it should not be limited to ambassadors. We have people running events who are not (officially) ambassadors and I don't see a reason why something like an infrastructure FAD shouldn't be listed in the events calendar, too.
So for me the question is: Should we limit it to ambassadors yes or no? What do people think?
And what about event ownership? If we assume that meeting organizer in the calendar equals the event owner in the wiki, it might in fact make sense to limit access to ambassadors. We need to discuss this a bit more.
At the moment there is no administrator group per calendar.
Then I'm not sure fedocal is suitable for the ambassadors. if every every ambassador / FCPA member needs to be admin to add an event, this is a no go as it would allow then to edit the whole calendar, even to delete it. Sorry, we cannot risk that.
Will there be admins per calendar in the near future?
Kind regards, Christoph
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 12:43 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 08.05.2013, 11:55 +0200 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
At the moment there is no administrator group per calendar.
Then I'm not sure fedocal is suitable for the ambassadors. if every every ambassador / FCPA member needs to be admin to add an event, this is a no go as it would allow then to edit the whole calendar, even to delete it. Sorry, we cannot risk that.
Only the person that creates the meeting (or that are added as manager of the meeting) can edit or delete it.
Will there be admins per calendar in the near future?
There was the question of providing full rights over a calendar to people that are admin of the fas group to which the calendar is restricted, but this information is actually not returned by the current fas-openid, so having a admin group managing a calendar would be a way around this.
Pierre
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In this case there is a mis-understanding, if created as such only famsco members will be able to add events, I believe what you want is to restrict adding meetings to the ambassador group.
No, in fact I think it should not be limited to ambassadors. We have people running events who are not (officially) ambassadors and I don't see a reason why something like an infrastructure FAD shouldn't be listed in the events calendar, too.
So for me the question is: Should we limit it to ambassadors yes or no? What do people think?
I think that every FAS user should be able to create his Fedora related event. It will give us very interesting view on such activity. Because certanly there are users who have no official ambassador status, but who are active Fedora users and organise Fedora events.
And what about event ownership? If we assume that meeting organizer in the calendar equals the event owner in the wiki, it might in fact make sense to limit access to ambassadors. We need to discuss this a bit more.
For example, we prepare an event [1]. We have at least 4 persons in our team and only one of us has official ambassador status. One of us (Peter) is responsible for wiki page (one can look at history page) and somebody else (for example, me) can be responsible for creating an event in Fedocal. So the event owner in the wiki doesn't equals to the calendar event owner, although we are from the same team.
[1] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Offline_Test_Day/2013-06-01_Virtualization
At the moment there is no administrator group per calendar.
Then I'm not sure fedocal is suitable for the ambassadors. if every every ambassador / FCPA member needs to be admin to add an event, this is a no go as it would allow then to edit the whole calendar, even to delete it. Sorry, we cannot risk that.
Will there be admins per calendar in the near future?
As I've understood we need only few admins from ambassadors to be added manually [2] to the administrators group of the Fedocal. They will be able to create/edit/delete all meetings and all calendars and their mission will be to moderate the events (just in case).
And to create an event one should only be a FAS user from fedora_cla group. So there is no risk. Do I get smth wrong?
[2] - http://fedocal.readthedocs.org/en/latest/configuration.html#the-admin-group
Hi folks,
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 11:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Yes, we have been waiting got a replacement for the events wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events for quite a while.
I don't think we can completely *replace* the Events page really. The calendar is well, a calendar. We can mark up the events on the calendar, but we still need the wiki to list them and provide links for their individual wiki pages.
The event workflow will also need to be slightly modified to mention "Add event to fedora events calendar" or "Open a ticket with famsco to add event to fedora events calendar", depending on what way famsco thinks works best. Comments?
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From: "Ankur Sinha" sanjay.ankur@gmail.com To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 8:42:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Calendar for ambassadors
Hi folks,
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 11:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Yes, we have been waiting got a replacement for the events wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events for quite a while.
I don't think we can completely *replace* the Events page really. The calendar is well, a calendar. We can mark up the events on the calendar, but we still need the wiki to list them and provide links for their individual wiki pages.
I think maintaining both Events page and the Events calendar is not a good idea since date/time information could be (sometimes) not in sync'ed. It's best to link a Calendar item directly to specific page of that event.
The event workflow will also need to be slightly modified to mention "Add event to fedora events calendar" or "Open a ticket with famsco to add event to fedora events calendar", depending on what way famsco thinks works best. Comments?
It's better to let event owners to add their events themselves to Calendar. FAmSCo can not take care of those huge amount of work for them.
Kind regards, Tuan
Hi,
IMHO the calendar is an important surface to maintain every happening event, meeting, and movement within the community. I'd like to propose an dynamically - generated html page, where people can look around for meetings, and events.Similarly as the qa.fedoraproject,org, we should have an events.fedoraproject.org and an meetings.fedoraproject.org. These pages can be the front face of our moves, and happenings.
Comments?
2013/5/9 Truong Anh. Tuan tuanta@iwayvietnam.com
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From: "Ankur Sinha" sanjay.ankur@gmail.com To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 8:42:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Calendar for ambassadors
Hi folks,
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 11:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Yes, we have been waiting got a replacement for the events wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events for quite a while.
I don't think we can completely *replace* the Events page really. The calendar is well, a calendar. We can mark up the events on the calendar, but we still need the wiki to list them and provide links for their individual wiki pages.
I think maintaining both Events page and the Events calendar is not a good idea since date/time information could be (sometimes) not in sync'ed. It's best to link a Calendar item directly to specific page of that event.
The event workflow will also need to be slightly modified to mention "Add event to fedora events calendar" or "Open a ticket with famsco to add event to fedora events calendar", depending on what way famsco thinks works best. Comments?
It's better to let event owners to add their events themselves to Calendar. FAmSCo can not take care of those huge amount of work for them.
Kind regards, Tuan -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
Hi all!
Christoph's ticket [1] has been closed, so now we have "Events" calendar in Fedocal. I tried to add an event on 2013-06-01 and I think we need one more field for link to the wiki page (though the Description field can be used, it is text field without html).
Zoltan, you proposed dynamically-generated html page. What about list view of "Events" [2] or more filled "fedora-meeting"[3]?
I've started this thread to draw attention to the work had been done. Certanly fedocal needs some improvements, but I think we should test it and decide if it is appropriate in itself for us.
[1] - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3797 [2] - https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/Events/ [3] - https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/fedora-meeting/
@Inna:
I' think both is useful, because most of our contributors are members in multiple groups, and good to have them both view. But because of this, I prefer the [3] option, because the list view can be cleaner if it's results an somehow more separated list, eg. headlines as separators, and then group listing based on specific category/headline, and put them to one single page. As this will result an long list, I propose also an jump-to-section clickable links or parts on the page (including back to top), and on the top, and on the bottom add export links as to ical, maybe cron file if possible. I prefer this format also, because when you check these listing on mobile, its more usable, and easier to handle then the other one, I think.
Btw - I'd like to propose also to import the ambassador schedule either into this calendar, then we ambassadors can have one single point to access important dates. Otherwise, can we have this calendar on calendar.fpo later on?
Zoltan
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