Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings

[Bhanu Patial]

Hi all,
+1 for monthly meetings. Another work around is to divide and schedule them with
time zones.  For us in India it's +0530 hrs and make it at 0330 hrs.

If meetings are rotated properly then it may help. But i havn't seen meetings being rotated.

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On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube  wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-(
> All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I don't
> attend" (for me) ...

Hi Gerold and Fabian,
I hate to say but I agree with you.
I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation.

Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly.
Please let me know your thought.

Regards,

The weekly ambassador meetings

[Gerold]

Hi *,

I personally prefer such a solution:

Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...

But always local time (of the time zone)!

And this meetings are "mandatory" (if possible) for the region in which
you live; if you want and your time zone allows you, you can also attend
meetings in other regions :-)

What do you think about?

Regards

Gerold

Am Samstag, den 27.10.2007, 01:33 -0700 schrieb Bhanu Patial:
> Hi all,
> +1 for monthly meetings. Another work around is to divide and schedule
> them with
> time zones.  For us in India it's +0530 hrs and make it at 0330 hrs.
>
> If meetings are rotated properly then it may help. But i havn't seen
> meetings being rotated.
>
> Bhanu Patial
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BhanuPatial
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Thomas Chung 
> To: [e-mail]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:03:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
>
> On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube  wrote:
> > Hi *,
> >
> > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-(
> > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I
>
> don't
> > attend" (for me) ...
>
> Hi Gerold and Fabian,
> I hate to say but I agree with you.
> I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation.
>
> Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly.
> Please let me know your thought.
> Regards,
>
> Thomas Chung
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The weekly ambassador meetings

[pingou]

Gerold Kassube wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> I personally prefer such a solution:
>
> Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...
>
> But always local time (of the time zone)!
>
> What do you think about?

+1

P.Yves

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The weekly ambassador meetings

[Benjamin Lewis]

On Saturday 27 October 2007 10:10:39 am Gerold Kassube wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> I personally prefer such a solution:
>
> Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...
>
> But always local time (of the time zone)!
>
> And this meetings are "mandatory" (if possible) for the region in which
> you live; if you want and your time zone allows you, you can also attend
> meetings in other regions :-)

Not mandatory in the sense one has to go to each and every one, but more 
like "regularly" attend.
> What do you think about?
>
> Regards
>
> Gerold

The weekly ambassador meetings

[Fabian Affolter]

Gerold Kassube schrieb:

As I see a lot ambassadors agree for the solution with a monthly
meeting. Me too.
> Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...

Not Thursday...we need to switch to Wednesday if we will choose 8 p.m.
because at 8 p.m. on Thursday is Infrastructure meeting [1].
> But always local time (of the time zone)!

+1

Fabian

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meetings

The weekly ambassador meetings

[Aditya Sharma]

+1 for monthly meetings..

On 10/27/07, Fabian Affolter  wrote:
> Gerold Kassube schrieb:
>
> As I see a lot ambassadors agree for the solution with a monthly
> meeting. Me too.
> > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...
>
> Not Thursday...we need to switch to Wednesday if we will choose 8 p.m.
> because at 8 p.m. on Thursday is Infrastructure meeting [1].
> > But always local time (of the time zone)!
>
> +1
>
> Fabian
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meetings
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[Fabian Affolter]

Gerold Kassube schrieb:

sorry, once again...
> Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...

What's about sunday? There is already the meeting of the french
ambassadors. Perhaps we can combine the two meeting for EMEA.

Fabian

The weekly ambassador meetings

[Gerold]

I'm not sure, they want ...

... to shift their own meeting to another day and time;

because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native
language, ...

Am Samstag, den 27.10.2007, 12:29 +0200 schrieb Fabian Affolter:
> Gerold Kassube schrieb:
>
> sorry, once again...
> > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...
>
> What's about sunday? There is already the meeting of the french
> ambassadors. Perhaps we can combine the two meeting for EMEA.
>
> Fabian
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[pingou]

Gerold Kassube wrote:
> I'm not sure, they want ...
>
> ... to shift their own meeting to another day and time;
>
> because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native
> language, ...

Another reason would be that what is discussed on these meetings are 
quite related to the french speaking community (we speak about the 
association, the website, the french events...) and not only french 
ambassador are present, but all the member of the community that wants 
to be a bit more involved present on the community.
What I mean is that people not part of that community would I guess be 
quite bored on these meeting.

However I do be in favor of the EMEA meetings, I think it would be much 
more interesting in the way that you definitively feel more concerned by 
a event that occurs close to you .

Another point that needs to be discussed, I think, is what do would be 
the subject of such meetings ?
Is it a review of what have been done and what will be done ?
Is it a discussion of what is going on around your country ?
Is it like on event, reflection of what can be done and how to do it to 
improve the promotion of fedora, the organization of the people involved 
in the fedora project ?
Is it a review of what has been good or bad in the relation to the 
fedora project ?
Is it a reflection on how to improve them ?

If we want to get people involved for long in these meeting, we need to 
have subject, that "can not" be discussed via the mailing list...

"Why should we go to the meeting ?"
This question is, to my mind, one of the most important.

Well that is it for me :)
Just my two cents to the reflection about these meetings :)

Best regards,
P.Yves

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[Thomas Canniot]

Le Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:27:36 +0200,
pingou  a écrit :
> However I do be in favor of the EMEA meetings, I think it would be
> much more interesting in the way that you definitively feel more
> concerned by a event that occurs close to you .

One of the reason I think the amb meeting used to work but didn't, is
that, from my point of view, that i never recovered from alex's
departure. She was more than a guide for us and had such a strong
personality that her action was more than motivating.

Then I think that the amb meeting are good for new amb only. When
people get to know each other, they work on events by their own means,
and not through the meetings.
> Another point that needs to be discussed, I think, is what do would
> be the subject of such meetings ?
> Is it a review of what have been done and what will be done ?
> Is it a discussion of what is going on around your country ?
> Is it like on event, reflection of what can be done and how to do it
> to improve the promotion of fedora, the organization of the people
> involved in the fedora project ?
> Is it a review of what has been good or bad in the relation to the 
> fedora project ?
> Is it a reflection on how to improve them ?
>
> If we want to get people involved for long in these meeting, we need
> to have subject, that "can not" be discussed via the mailing list...
>
> "Why should we go to the meeting ?"
> This question is, to my mind, one of the most important.

That is why our French meeting work that great... our mailing list is
not as active as I would have liked it to be, and not as active as the
fp amb ml one. For example, such a topic would have been discussed
during a meeting only. Too bad perhaps, but the meetings for French
Ambs about French activities is a damn good way to know that other
people are active and take part in the marketing process of the distro.

About the time and date, we first had our meeting on a private French
channel, then we were asked by someone from the fp to do it on
#fedora-meeting and changing once more would disappoint my
troups :) The hour seems to be ideal for French people, I don't think
we would agree to change it. Otherwise, it would mean we would have to
recreate all the stuff that make people want to attend it and feel
deeply sorry not to.
> Well that is it for me :)
> Just my two cents to the reflection about these meetings :)
>
> Best regards,
> P.Yves

R: The weekly ambassador meetings

The weekly meetings absence is a long time problem, now we haven't to 
speculate with lies etc...

But i don't want be polemic.

I've led a big piece of this year metting (i've stop to do that after 
nobody takes care of those), and i may say people join those ones only 
for "controversial" proposal. But this isn't the real reason: because 
we discuss about something interested them, because the topics touch 
them.

Probably the cause is mine, but i think a (Global, EMEA, etc...) 
meeting is usefull only when discuss about things that interest all.

So, we haven't to make the list of the next events, we know they annoy 
people; we haven't to say the same things they can find in the Mailing 
List. We have to focus on something that will make Weekly (Monthly, 
Yearly ....) IRC meeting's interesting.

This is the problem ... no others

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

-----Messaggio originario-----
Da: Thomas Canniot 
A: [e-mail]
Inviati: Dom 28 Ott 2007 8:43
Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings

Le Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:27:36 +0200,
pingou  a écrit :
> However I do be in favor of the EMEA meetings, I think it would be
> much more interesting in the way that you definitively feel more
> concerned by a event that occurs close to you .

One of the reason I think the amb meeting used to work but didn't, is
that, from my point of view, that i never recovered from alex's
departure. She was more than a guide for us and had such a strong
personality that her action was more than motivating.

Then I think that the amb meeting are good for new amb only. When
people get to know each other, they work on events by their own means,
and not through the meetings.
> Another point that needs to be discussed, I think, is what do would
> be the subject of such meetings ?
> Is it a review of what have been done and what will be done ?
> Is it a discussion of what is going on around your country ?
> Is it like on event, reflection of what can be done and how to do it
> to improve the promotion of fedora, the organization of the people
> involved in the fedora project ?
> Is it a review of what has been good or bad in the relation to the
> fedora project ?
> Is it a reflection on how to improve them ?
>
> If we want to get people involved for long in these meeting, we need
> to have subject, that "can not" be discussed via the mailing list...
>
> "Why should we go to the meeting ?"
> This question is, to my mind, one of the most important.

That is why our French meeting work that great... our mailing list is
not as active as I would have liked it to be, and not as active as the
fp amb ml one. For example, such a topic would have been discussed
during a meeting only. Too bad perhaps, but the meetings for French
Ambs about French activities is a damn good way to know that other
people are active and take part in the marketing process of the distro.

About the time and date, we first had our meeting on a private French
channel, then we were asked by someone from the fp to do it on
#fedora-meeting and changing once more would disappoint my
troups :) The hour seems to be ideal for French people, I don't think
we would agree to change it. Otherwise, it would mean we would have to
recreate all the stuff that make people want to attend it and feel
deeply sorry not to.
> Well that is it for me :)
> Just my two cents to the reflection about these meetings :)
>
> Best regards,
> P.Yves

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The weekly ambassador meetings

[Jeffrey Tadlock]

On 10/28/07, Thomas Canniot  wrote:
> Le Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:27:36 +0200,
> pingou  a Ã(c)crit :
>
> Then I think that the amb meeting are good for new amb only. When
> people get to know each other, they work on events by their own means,
> and not through the meetings.

I think this is an accurate statement.  For those of us that have done
a few events we know how things are supposed to work for event, how to
get materials for the event and we don't have as much of a need to
discuss the event in a meeting.

I know for the first Ohio Linux Fest we attended in 2006, I attended
meetings to help get questions answered for that event.  This year we
ran the booth again for the Ohio Linux Fest and we just didn't have
many questions - so less need for a meeting.

--Jeffrey

The weekly ambassador meetings

[Fabian Affolter]

pingou schrieb:
> Gerold Kassube wrote:
> > because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native
> > language, ...
>
> Another reason would be that what is discussed on these meetings are
> quite related to the french speaking community (we speak about the
> association, the website, the french events...) and not only french
> ambassador are present, but all the member of the community that wants
> to be a bit more involved present on the community.
> What I mean is that people not part of that community would I guess be
> quite bored on these meeting.

I was not talking about shifting that meeting. This meeting is a
community meeting, maybe it's a possibility to held the regular
ambassador meeting after that. Because the french ambassador are already
online at this time :-)

Because

Fabian

The weekly ambassador meetings

[Thomas Chung]

It seems most of us are agreeing on the idea of monthly meeting. Great.
I also like the idea of having regional group meetings by America,
Europe and Asia at local times. Now, we need meeting leaders for each
region.
If you'd like be the leader for the regional group meeting just like
French Ambassadors, please step up and let Fabian know.

Fabian, please collect information from everyone who wants to be the
leader the regional Ambassadors meeting and update our meeting wiki
page accordingly[1]. Their meeting time could be determined by their
leaders.

BTW, I'm giving Fabian an executive power to form *whole* new way of
having future Fedora Ambassadors meetings base on this conversation.
In fact, please archive current wiki page[1] and create a new wiki
page to start a new chapter.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings

Regards,

R: The weekly ambassador meetings

Great! I think we can try this (concrete) solution.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

-----Messaggio originario-----
Da: Thomas Chung 
A: [e-mail]
Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 4:24
Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings

It seems most of us are agreeing on the idea of monthly meeting. Great.
I also like the idea of having regional group meetings by America,
Europe and Asia at local times. Now, we need meeting leaders for each
region.
If you'd like be the leader for the regional group meeting just like
French Ambassadors, please step up and let Fabian know.

Fabian, please collect information from everyone who wants to be the
leader the regional Ambassadors meeting and update our meeting wiki
page accordingly[1]. Their meeting time could be determined by their
leaders.

BTW, I'm giving Fabian an executive power to form *whole* new way of
having future Fedora Ambassadors meetings base on this conversation.
In fact, please archive current wiki page[1] and create a new wiki
page to start a new chapter.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings

Regards,
--
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R: The weekly ambassador meetings

Fabian, i think that would be a great idea to organize an EMEA IRC 
meeting, as you and other europeans proposed: this will create a more 
unified european ambassadors group.

Regards

Francesco Ugolini

-----Messaggio originario-----
Da: Fabian Affolter 
A: [e-mail]
Inviati: Dom 28 Ott 2007 23:47
Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings

pingou schrieb:
> Gerold Kassube wrote:
> > because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native
> > language, ...
>
> Another reason would be that what is discussed on these meetings are
> quite related to the french speaking community (we speak about the
> association, the website, the french events...) and not only french
> ambassador are present, but all the member of the community that wants
> to be a bit more involved present on the community.
> What I mean is that people not part of that community would I guess be
> quite bored on these meeting.

I was not talking about shifting that meeting. This meeting is a
community meeting, maybe it's a possibility to held the regular
ambassador meeting after that. Because the french ambassador are already
online at this time :-)

Because

Fabian

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The weekly ambassador meetings

[Claus Reheis]

HI @all!

On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 11:10 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> I personally prefer such a solution:
>
> Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting,
> for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8
> p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ...
>
> But always local time (of the time zone)!
>
> And this meetings are "mandatory" (if possible) for the region in which
> you live; if you want and your time zone allows you, you can also attend
> meetings in other regions :-)
>
> What do you think about?
>
> Regards
>
> Gerold

Nice idea!
+1

Claus
> Am Samstag, den 27.10.2007, 01:33 -0700 schrieb Bhanu Patial:
> > Hi all,
> > +1 for monthly meetings. Another work around is to divide and schedule
> > them with
> > time zones.  For us in India it's +0530 hrs and make it at 0330 hrs.
> >
> > If meetings are rotated properly then it may help. But i havn't seen
> > meetings being rotated.
> >
> > Bhanu Patial
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BhanuPatial
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Thomas Chung 
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:03:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
> >
> > On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube  wrote:
> > > Hi *,
> > >
> > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-(
> > > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I
> >
> > don't
> > > attend" (for me) ...
> >
> > Hi Gerold and Fabian,
> > I hate to say but I agree with you.
> > I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation.
> >
> > Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly.
> > Please let me know your thought.
> > Regards,
> >
> > Thomas Chung
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
> >
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