What's really needed to be an Ambassador?

[María Leandro]

Hello.


I will like to receive some feedback about a topic that has been runing in
my head for a while already and brings the matter of "What's really needed
to be a Fedora Ambassador?". Several times we repeat ourselves "we must
encourage people to join our comunity" and also things like "we accept
everyone, so everyone can be an Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to
them and to us. Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the
points I have consider to think like that:

we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users
that:
1.- Have never contribute to the project
2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity
3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record

But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors title" often:
1.- Dissapear without say anything
2.- Dissapear without help our community
3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"
4.- Dissapear but keep using the @fedoraproject.org

So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not... Should we
keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be Ambassador if we
will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some
rules besides the one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter
that can help us, Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors
that really deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some
few ideas and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would
be nice. (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )

1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city doesn't
have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year. (right now
in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all)
4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.


Here are some ideas, as I say feel free to comment, aproove or deny the
suggestions I gave :)

See ya.


[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join





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"Be yourself... Don't be anyone else"

[Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde]

Hello.

I totally agree with your opinion, tatica, but I consider that the "future"
ambassador should also be able to write down his/her experiences trough a
blog or similar (added to the Fedora Planet).  This can helps us seeing if
that person is contributing to the Fedora Project.

That person should participate on the IRC meetings too. In this way, we can
really appreciate if the person is really interested on the project or only
on the title.

Good bye!

2010/12/14 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

>  Hello.
>
>
>  I will like to receive some feedback about a topic that has been runing in
>  my head for a while already and brings the matter of "What's really needed
>  to be a Fedora Ambassador?". Several times we repeat ourselves "we must
>  encourage people to join our comunity" and also things like "we accept
>  everyone, so everyone can be an Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to
>  them and to us. Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the
>  points I have consider to think like that:
>
>  we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users
>  that:
>  1.- Have never contribute to the project
>  2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity
>  3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record
>
>  But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors title" often:
>  1.- Dissapear without say anything
>  2.- Dissapear without help our community
>  3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"
>  4.- Dissapear but keep using the @fedoraproject.org
>
>  So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not... Should we
>  keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be Ambassador if we
>  will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some
>  rules besides the one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter
>  that can help us, Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors
>  that really deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some
>  few ideas and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would
>  be nice. (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
>
>  1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
>  2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
>  doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
>  3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year. (right
>  now in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all)
>  4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.
>
>
>  Here are some ideas, as I say feel free to comment, aproove or deny the
>  suggestions I gave :)
>
>  See ya.
>
>
>  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
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>  Maria Gracia Leandro
>  http://www.tatica.org
>  http://www.fedora-ve.org
>  http://proyectofedora.org
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro
>  LinuxUser= 440285
>  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
>  "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else"
>
>
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>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  


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[John T. Rose]

2010/12/14 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Hello.
>
>  I will like to receive some feedback about a topic that has been runing in
>  my head for a while already and brings the matter of "What's really needed
>  to be a Fedora Ambassador?". Several times we repeat ourselves "we must
>  encourage people to join our comunity" and also things like "we accept
>  everyone, so everyone can be an Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to
>  them and to us. Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the
>  points I have consider to think like that:
>  we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users
>  that:
>  1.- Have never contribute to the project
>  2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity
>  3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record 
I agree with your concern but I do think that it is not impossible to
start your journey as a contributor within the Ambassador group. Such
beginners won't be the sort of ambassador you are thinking about for
some time but there are ways for them to contribute that are valuable
(like finding and producing swag, doing regional shipping, etc.).
Generally though starting out as an ambassador is not ideal and more
often than not probably results in failure. I have seen exceptions.

>  But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors
> title" often:
>  1.- Dissapear without say anything
>  2.- Dissapear without help our community
>  3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"
>  4.- Dissapear but keep using the @fedoraproject.org
>  So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not... Should we
>  keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be Ambassador if we
>  will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some
>  rules besides the one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter
>  that can help us, Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors
>  that really deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some
>  few ideas and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would
>  be nice. (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
>  1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
>  2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city doesn't
>  have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
>  3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year. (right now
>  in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all)
>  4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.
>
>  Here are some ideas, as I say feel free to comment, aproove or deny the 
I've struggled with similar feelings in the past and still share them.
One thing that always sticks in my mind from reading a bit about the
Apaches, who I think are an interesting example of an "open source"
society, is that for them the concept of coercion is absent from
governance structure. There is no notion of "you must" or "you
should"
in their language. People are left free to act or not as they choose.
What makes them act in a united way is not coercion, it is shared
beliefs and values. This is how I would like the Fedora Project to
model itself. While rules are still needed for many things, with
careful use of language we can avoid contributors feeling like they
are being told what to do and instead choose to work in community
adopted ways on their own.

Given all that I always cringe a little when I see proposed lists that
say "you must" and "you should" and this happens a lot. Your list
above we could rephrase without these as a list of things exceptional
ambassadors do.

I'll stop my philosophical digression about coercion now and get back
to your point. Two changes I support that are a little less structured
in terms of expected activity but which I think would help us get
moving in the direction you are going are:

(1) Accept new ambassadors by invitation from mentors (or other
respected community ambassadors). I don't need a lot of formality when
tatica says person X is ready to be in the ambassador group. I trust
tatica to make that judgment.

(2) In the absense of (1) when a candidate "self-nominates" to join
the group, in addition to the mentoring process I would like to see a
very simple requirement added that the candidate must have been in the
Fedora Project for some time period (3 months, 6 months, I don't
really care what period it is so long as it is more than 48 hours). I
think if someone creates a FAS account and hangs about the project for
a period of time they are far less likely to disappear right after
becoming an ambassador. I see far too many failures when a candidate
often on the same day creates a FAS account and applies to join the
ambassadors group.

John

[David Nalley]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:03 AM, John T. Rose <rose(a)iastate.edu&gt; wrote:
>  2010/12/14 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> > Hello.
> >
> > I will like to receive some feedback about a topic that has been runing in
> > my head for a while already and brings the matter of "What's really needed
> > to be a Fedora Ambassador?". Several times we repeat ourselves "we must
> > encourage people to join our comunity" and also things like "we accept
> > everyone, so everyone can be an Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to
> > them and to us. Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the
> > points I have consider to think like that:
> > we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users
> > that:
> > 1.- Have never contribute to the project
> > 2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity
> > 3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record
>
>  I agree with your concern but I do think that it is not impossible to
>  start your journey as a contributor within the Ambassador group. Such
>  beginners won't be the sort of ambassador you are thinking about for
>  some time but there are ways for them to contribute that are valuable
>  (like finding and producing swag, doing regional shipping, etc.).
>  Generally though starting out as an ambassador is not ideal and more
>  often than not probably results in failure. I have seen exceptions. 

+1
How can people expect to act in the role of liaison to the outside
world if they haven't yet been inside this microcosm that is Fedora.
I hope I was one of the exceptions to the rule - I started as an
Ambassador, and I did it wrong, and it left me sidelined for far too
long, because there was so much I didn't know because I wasn't
participating in other facets of the community. Moreover, I didn't
understand the culture of the project.
That said, I don't think that there should be a CLA+1 membership
guideline - but rather that mentors really consider how they gate
admission. That person you are sponsoring - do they really grok
Fedora's culture and values? Can they effectively be a liaison between
Fedora and the world if they haven't been working inside Fedora. There
are people who I think can, but as John indicated, it's far far more
difficult. I think people would be far better off working inside the
project initially.

> > But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors title"
> often:
> > 1.- Dissapear without say anything
> > 2.- Dissapear without help our community
> > 3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"
> > 4.- Dissapear but keep using the @fedoraproject.org
> > So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not... Should we
> > keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be Ambassador if we
> > will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some
> > rules besides the one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter
> > that can help us, Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors
> > that really deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some
> > few ideas and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would
> > be nice. (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
> > 1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
> > 2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city doesn't
> > have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
> > 3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year. (right now
> > in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all)
> > 4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.
> >
> > Here are some ideas, as I say feel free to comment, aproove or deny the
>
>  I've struggled with similar feelings in the past and still share them.
>  One thing that always sticks in my mind from reading a bit about the
>  Apaches, who I think are an interesting example of an "open source"
>  society, is that for them the concept of coercion is absent from
>  governance structure. There is no notion of "you must" or "you
> should"
>  in their language. People are left free to act or not as they choose.
>  What makes them act in a united way is not coercion, it is shared
>  beliefs and values. This is how I would like the Fedora Project to
>  model itself. While rules are still needed for many things, with
>  careful use of language we can avoid contributors feeling like they
>  are being told what to do and instead choose to work in community
>  adopted ways on their own.
>
>  Given all that I always cringe a little when I see proposed lists that
>  say "you must" and "you should" and this happens a lot. Your list
>  above we could rephrase without these as a list of things exceptional
>  ambassadors do.
>
>  I'll stop my philosophical digression about coercion now and get back
>  to your point. Two changes I support that are a little less structured
>  in terms of expected activity but which I think would help us get
>  moving in the direction you are going are:
>
>  (1) Accept new ambassadors by invitation from mentors (or other
>  respected community ambassadors). I don't need a lot of formality when
>  tatica says person X is ready to be in the ambassador group. I trust
>  tatica to make that judgment.
>
>  (2) In the absense of (1) when a candidate "self-nominates" to join
>  the group, in addition to the mentoring process I would like to see a
>  very simple requirement added that the candidate must have been in the
>  Fedora Project for some time period (3 months, 6 months, I don't
>  really care what period it is so long as it is more than 48 hours). I
>  think if someone creates a FAS account and hangs about the project for
>  a period of time they are far less likely to disappear right after
>  becoming an ambassador. I see far too many failures when a candidate
>  often on the same day creates a FAS account and applies to join the
>  ambassadors group.
>  
To give some context here. In May we had wiki/statistics Tsar Ian run
some reports.
Of the people who applied for Ambassadors and didn't gain entrance
(which means, in the vast majority of cases that they failed to find a
mentor or respond to a mentor within a month) over 99% had a Fedora
account for less than 24 hours. The average time for that group was
something on the order of 15 minutes.

[Larry Cafiero]

2010/12/14 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

>  Hello.
>
>
>  Several times we repeat ourselves "we must encourage people to join our
>  comunity" and also things like "we accept everyone, so everyone can be an
>  Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to them and to us.
>  
I don't think this is quite true. If we, as Ambassadors, find people are
interested in promoting or helping Fedora, we encourage -- or should
encourage -- them to join us. Secondly, we don't accept everyone nor should
we accept everyone -- we reject a significant amount of applicants in NA
alone because, for some reason, they are in the determination of the mentor
not a good fit for the project.


>  Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the points I
> have
>  consider to think like that:
>
>  we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users
>  that:
>  1.- Have never contribute to the project
>  2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity
>  3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record
>  
This is really a separate issue. Many people who want to join are new to
Linux/FOSS and may not have contributed to a project before, or may not live
near an event or activity they can get to. This has to be handled on a
case-by-case basis, and the level of participation depends on what an
Ambassador can do

More times than not, people use the Ambassador program as a stepping stone
to go into other areas of the Fedora Project.


>  But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors
> title" often:
>  1.- Dissapear without say anything
>  2.- Dissapear without help our community
>  3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"
>  4.- Dissapear but keep using the @fedoraproject.org
>
>  So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone?
>  
No, and in my opinion and experience, it has never been the case that we
have "an obligation to accept everyone."


>  if not... Should we keep telling people that we will accept everyone
> to be
>  Ambassador if we will/won't do it?
>  
We don't, and we shouldn't tell them -- this is where the candidate/mentor
relationship comes in.  A mentor can tell whether someone will be a good,
average or bad ambassador, and we don't approve the bad ones. Sometimes, the
mentor gets duped -- and in this case there's nothing that can be done
unless the new ambassador does something the mentor deems against the rules
and the ambassador is expelled.

I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some rules besides the
>  one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter that can help
> us,
>  Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors that really
>  deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some few ideas
>  and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would be nice.
>  (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
>
>  1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
>  2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
>  doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
>  3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year. (right
>  now in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all)
>  4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.
>
>  
This is an interesting list and I have no objection to any of them, although
if you have an ambassador in a country where there is no FOSS event, or no
FOSS event in their region (I'm specifically thinking Africa here), I think
number 3 is asking much for some who may want to promote Fedora/Linux/FOSS
but is not able to travel to an event. What I do want to say is that nearly
all ambassadors promote Fedora, Linux and FOSS at their own comfort level
and very few, if any, join with malicious intent.

Larry Cafiero

[Ryan H. Lewis]

I would call myself a lesser ambassador here. I am the Dartmouth
college campus ambassador. I give out live cds and do promotion when I
can, but alot of people here are uninterested. I gave a lecture to our
local foss community, they use debian. etc etc.

However,  one of our foundations in friends. If every group which
accepts new friends for contributors starts putting up walls and
closing doors to help, we won't be making very many new friends.

That is all,

-rhl




2010/12/14 Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  2010/12/14 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > Several times we repeat ourselves "we must encourage people to join our
> > comunity" and also things like "we accept everyone, so everyone can be an
> > Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to them and to us.
>
>  I don't think this is quite true. If we, as Ambassadors, find people are
>  interested in promoting or helping Fedora, we encourage -- or should
>  encourage -- them to join us. Secondly, we don't accept everyone nor should
>  we accept everyone -- we reject a significant amount of applicants in NA
>  alone because, for some reason, they are in the determination of the mentor
>  not a good fit for the project.
>
> >
> > Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the points I have
> > consider to think like that:
> > we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users
> > that:
> > 1.- Have never contribute to the project
> > 2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity
> > 3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record
>
>  This is really a separate issue. Many people who want to join are new to
>  Linux/FOSS and may not have contributed to a project before, or may not live
>  near an event or activity they can get to. This has to be handled on a
>  case-by-case basis, and the level of participation depends on what an
>  Ambassador can do
>
>  More times than not, people use the Ambassador program as a stepping stone
>  to go into other areas of the Fedora Project.
>
> >
> > But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors title"
> > often:
> > 1.- Dissapear without say anything
> > 2.- Dissapear without help our community
> > 3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"
> > 4.- Dissapear but keep using the @fedoraproject.org
> > So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone?
>
>  No, and in my opinion and experience, it has never been the case that we
>  have "an obligation to accept everyone."
>
> >
> > if not... Should we keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be
> > Ambassador if we will/won't do it?
>
>  We don't, and we shouldn't tell them -- this is where the candidate/mentor
>  relationship comes in.  A mentor can tell whether someone will be a good,
>  average or bad ambassador, and we don't approve the bad ones. Sometimes, the
>  mentor gets duped -- and in this case there's nothing that can be done
>  unless the new ambassador does something the mentor deems against the rules
>  and the ambassador is expelled.
>
> > I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some rules besides the
> > one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter that can help us,
> > Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors that really
> > deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some few ideas
> > and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would be nice.
> > (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
> > 1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
> > 2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
> > doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
> > 3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year. (right
> > now in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all)
> > 4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.
> >
>
>  This is an interesting list and I have no objection to any of them, although
>  if you have an ambassador in a country where there is no FOSS event, or no
>  FOSS event in their region (I'm specifically thinking Africa here), I think
>  number 3 is asking much for some who may want to promote Fedora/Linux/FOSS
>  but is not able to travel to an event. What I do want to say is that nearly
>  all ambassadors promote Fedora, Linux and FOSS at their own comfort level
>  and very few, if any, join with malicious intent.
>
>  Larry Cafiero
>
>
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>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>

[María Leandro]

John, I think you have a great point there.

If the times where we won't need rules comes, that would be fantastic; but
the truth is that there is a lot of contributors that join the Ambassador
program to feel that they can help the comunity. I think that they should
join the Ambassadors project by meritocracy.

So another question comes to my mind.

1.- A contributor needs to be an Ambassadors to "get permission" to help the
community and do events? (this is a question that at least 60% of the
applicants I get ask for)
2.- A contributor should help some other team to get that meritocracy to be
an ambassador?

So, for example. Should we explain better to the applicants that they don't
"need" to be Ambassadors to be able to help their communities and groups?

Taking the John idea would be a crazy suggestion and maybe I'm wrong, but we
should encourage more the contributors section and make the people
learn/do/teach something instead promote the Ambassadors group. For me, an
Ambassadors is the same than a Marketing Team contributor :S




-- 
tatica
Maria Gracia Leandro
http://www.tatica.org
http://www.fedora-ve.org
http://proyectofedora.org
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro
LinuxUser= 440285
GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
"Be yourself... Don't be anyone else"

[Mathieu Bridon]

On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 10:58 -0430, María Leandro wrote:
>  So another question comes to my mind.
>  
>  1.- A contributor needs to be an Ambassadors to "get permission" to help the
>  community and do events? (this is a question that at least 60% of the
>  applicants I get ask for) 
I tend to always break this misconception when mentoring a new
ambassador.

First I ask them what they want to do once they become new ambassadors,
and inevitably they will answer me « promote Fedora », « help grow the
community of contributors » or some other variants of the same idea.

My answer has always been « and why would you need to be an ambassador
to do that? »

Being an ambassador should not be required in any way to help. I would
hate having to ask anyone motivated not to help me at a booth until they
have clicked the right button in FAS.

>  2.- A contributor should help some other team to get that meritocracy
> to be
>  an ambassador?
>  
>  So, for example. Should we explain better to the applicants that they don't
>  "need" to be Ambassadors to be able to help their communities and groups?
>  
>  Taking the John idea would be a crazy suggestion and maybe I'm wrong, but we
>  should encourage more the contributors section and make the people
>  learn/do/teach something instead promote the Ambassadors group. 
Sure, being an ambassador should never be a goal per se. Actually, being
a **contributor** should not be a goal per se. Rather, it is a way to
help the Fedora Project achieve its objectives.

A package maintainer will do that by making sure the software included
in Fedora is in sync with upstream, and as bug-free as possible.

A documentation writer will do that by making sure everyone can
understand how the software works and is able to use it.

In the same way, an ambassador will help the Fedora Project achieve its
objectives by helping grow awareness of those objectives as well as
helping grow the ranks of the contributors.

>  For me, an
>  Ambassadors is the same than a Marketing Team contributor :S 
I don't think so.

To me, the marketing group is responsible for the long-term
communication strategy, as well as producing a set of deliverables that
can be used to promote Fedora (talking points,...).

Ambassadors on the other hand are like the infantry. We are on the first
line at events, talking to people and helping new contributors to find
the group where they will blossom. Of course, we usually do that using
the stuff made by the marketing group, and then give them feedback about
how it is received.

Sure, there is a huge overlap between the two groups since most people
who like to do one also enjoy doing the other. On the other hand, some
people (that is my case) enjoy meeting people and talking to them in
real life, but would do a crappy job at writing talking points and
making communication plans.


-- 
Mathieu

[John T. Rose]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Ryan Lewis <me(a)ryanlewis.net&gt; wrote:
>  I would call myself a lesser ambassador here. I am the Dartmouth
>  college campus ambassador. I give out live cds and do promotion when I
>  can, but alot of people here are uninterested. I gave a lecture to our
>  local foss community, they use debian. etc etc. 
I don't consider you a "lesser" ambassador at all.

>  However,  one of our foundations in friends. If every group which
>  accepts new friends for contributors starts putting up walls and
>  closing doors to help, we won't be making very many new friends. 
The friends foundation doesn't make the Fedora Project a social club
with the purpose of making friends though.

Quoting from the about page on the website we read this about friends:

"We believe success comes from a strong community, made of people from
around the world, working together.
There's a place in Fedora for anyone who supports our values and wants
to help. By collaborating with each other
openly and transparently, and with a strong, supportive partnership
with our sponsors, we can achieve great
things."

That second sentence is important - we share values and we help.

John

[Ryan H. Lewis]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John T. Rose <rose(a)iastate.edu&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Ryan Lewis <me(a)ryanlewis.net&gt;
> wrote:
> > I would call myself a lesser ambassador here. I am the Dartmouth
> > college campus ambassador. I give out live cds and do promotion when I
> > can, but alot of people here are uninterested. I gave a lecture to our
> > local foss community, they use debian. etc etc.
>
>  I don't consider you a "lesser" ambassador at all.
>
> > However,  one of our foundations in friends. If every group which
> > accepts new friends for contributors starts putting up walls and
> > closing doors to help, we won't be making very many new friends.
>
>  The friends foundation doesn't make the Fedora Project a social club
>  with the purpose of making friends though.
>
>  Quoting from the about page on the website we read this about friends:
>
>  "We believe success comes from a strong community, made of people from
>  around the world, working together.
>  There's a place in Fedora for anyone who supports our values and wants
>  to help. By collaborating with each other
>  openly and transparently, and with a strong, supportive partnership
>  with our sponsors, we can achieve great
>  things."
>
>  That second sentence is important - we share values and we help.
>
>  John
>  --
>  ambassadors mailing list
>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  
John,

I was speaking colloquially. The point I was making is that if we
start adding all sorts of requirements onto what is required of an
ambassador, you will start seeing volunteers turn away. I wasn't
suggesting fedora is a social club, but that we do accept anyone who
supports our values and wants to help. Supporting our values does not
mean going to a FOSS conference once a year, or necessarily
contributing to to the top six this or that.

-rhl

[Larry Cafiero]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Ryan Lewis <me(a)ryanlewis.net&gt; wrote:

>  John,
>
>  I was speaking colloquially. The point I was making is that if we
>  start adding all sorts of requirements onto what is required of an
>  ambassador, you will start seeing volunteers turn away. I wasn't
>  suggesting fedora is a social club, but that we do accept anyone who
>  supports our values and wants to help. Supporting our values does not
>  mean going to a FOSS conference once a year, or necessarily
>  contributing to to the top six this or that.
>
>  
I agree with this statement and I think that it makes a good point about how
Ambassadors participate at their own level of ability and comfort level,
whatever that may be (and that includes things like only "evangelizing"
among family and friends and taking breaks from working on the project
entirely to attend to more pressing personal matters, etc. The list can be
long). Further, I think that one's ability and comfort level changes over
time; hopefully (and ideally) one's ability to promote Fedora increases and
their comfort level changes in a way where they are more outgoing in their
participation. But if not, that's OK too.

You are always going to have those who will eat, drink and sleep Fedora, who
will continue to fight hard, climb mountains and run through walls for
Fedora. You are going to have those who do one thing for the project a year,
if that much, and feel that's enough. And then there's everyone in between.
The bottom line, though, remains that we are all Ambassadors striving for
the same goals.

Larry Cafiero

[Larry Cafiero]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Ryan Lewis <me(a)ryanlewis.net&gt; wrote:

>  I would call myself a lesser ambassador here. I am the Dartmouth
>  college campus ambassador. I give out live cds and do promotion when I
>  can, but alot of people here are uninterested. I gave a lecture to our
>  local foss community, they use debian. etc etc.
>  
You aren't a "lesser" ambassador -- there is no such thing. You contribute
to promoting Fedora at a level that works for you, and one that benefits
Fedora. It also speaks to having requirements that may be too rigid to
include your contributions, and this is one thing I'd like to avoid.


>  However,  one of our foundations in friends. If every group which
>  accepts new friends for contributors starts putting up walls and
>  closing doors to help, we won't be making very many new friends.
>  
Excellent point.

Larry Cafiero

[Henrik Nordström]

tis 2010-12-14 klockan 07:06 -0800 skrev Larry Cafiero:

>  This is an interesting list and I have no objection to any of them,
>  although if you have an ambassador in a country where there is no FOSS
>  event, or no FOSS event in their region (I'm specifically thinking
>  Africa here), I think number 3 is asking much for some who may want to
>  promote Fedora/Linux/FOSS but is not able to travel to an event. 
In FOSS events I would also include local community events. It does not
need to be big and well recognised to count. It's great even if just two
interested people come. Sometimes that's even better than many hundreds
at a large FOSS event as the large events often attracts the already
FOSS converted where the ones we really need to reach is the ones not
using FOSS today.

>  What I do want to say is that nearly all ambassadors promote Fedora,
>  Linux and FOSS at their own comfort level and very few, if any, join
>  with malicious intent. 
I would think so as well.

I also think the current process is pretty effective in filtering out
the unwanted candidates.

I think the underlying question asked here is really how much activity
is minimally expected from an ambassador to be considered an ambassador?

Which makes me raise the question if it's a bad thing there is some
ambassadors which never acheives something visibly significant?

If that's bad for some reason then perhaps a followup process is needed
where ambassadors annually report back that
  * They are still using Fedora
  * They still consider themselves Ambassadors for Fedora
  * What activities they have participated in if any (no requirement)

kindly reminding people to resign as ambassadors if they do not see
themselves as ambassadors.

For me the most important criteria for being an Fedora Ambassador is
mindset and willingness, not actual acheivements.

Regards
Henrik

[Larry Cafiero]

Response below:

2010/12/14 Henrik Nordström <henrik(a)henriknordstrom.net&gt;

>  tis
>
>  I also think the current process is pretty effective in filtering out
>  the unwanted candidates.
>  
So do I.


>  I think the underlying question asked here is really how much activity
>  is minimally expected from an ambassador to be considered an ambassador?
>
>  Which makes me raise the question if it's a bad thing there is some
>  ambassadors which never acheives something visibly significant?
>
>  If that's bad for some reason then perhaps a followup process is needed
>  where ambassadors annually report back that
>   * They are still using Fedora
>   * They still consider themselves Ambassadors for Fedora
>   * What activities they have participated in if any (no requirement)
>
>  kindly reminding people to resign as ambassadors if they do not see
>  themselves as ambassadors.
>
>  For me the most important criteria for being an Fedora Ambassador is
>  mindset and willingness, not actual acheivements. 

Removing the "resign as ambassador" part of Henrik's statement -- and
I'll
address it later -- I would agree with the rest of his statement, especially
the last sentence.

If we have 723 Ambassadors (which is what I think the Nov. 2010 total is),
then there are probably 723 levels at which Ambassadors participate in the
Fedora Project. Is that an exaggeration? Maybe, but the point is that we all
participate on a level with which we are comfortable and at which we feel we
can make the best contribution to the project.

Also, back in the spring/summer of 2009 we pared down the Ambassadors
program by asking people who were found to be inactive, "We notice you've
been inactive, and we're streamlining our program" (not exact words here,
but something to that effect) "Contact us if you're still interested in
being an Ambassador." Well, the numbers went from 820-something down to
somewhere in the 500s due to the fact that those who didn't respond were
dropped from the program. As a result, I think we got rid of those folks
who, for whatever reason, stopped participating as Ambassadors.

In some instances, folks who were "taking a break" from being Ambassadors
got caught in the net, so to speak. Later, when they found they were
inactive, they asked what happened and some were re-admitted into the
program.

Now, to address the "resign as ambassador" part: Though it might be an
additional chore for mentors, I'd prefer they "check in" with their
"mentees" (or manatees, as we call them in NA) to see their level of
interest and monitor how their proteges are doing. Ideally the mentors can
help spur interest in an lagging ambassador, or if the ambassador wants to
take a break (or leave altogether) the mentor can help facilitate that as
well.

But rather than propose a series of figurative "hoops" for ambassadors to
jump through, I'd prefer to do what is mentioned in the previous paragraph,
as well as possibly -- possibly -- running the exercise we did in 2009 where
we purged the list; maybe doing that once every 18 months or two years.
While this may be a large chore, I think it works best.

Two more things to consider:

a.) The Fedora Project's Ambassador Program, while far from perfect, is the
gold standard of promotional programs for any distro. Don't believe me?
OpenSUSE completely copied our methodology in forming their Ambassador
program late last year and earlier this year (and as far as I'm concerned,
they're welcome to do so and we should all feel honored as a result).

b.) We have enough to do being ambassadors without weighing ourselves down
with extraneous rules and regulations that will take time and effort to
enforce -- time and effort that will be taken away from more important tasks
in promoting Fedora and FOSS.

Larry Cafiero

[Pierros Papadeas]

2010/12/15 Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Response below:
>
>  2010/12/14 Henrik Nordström <henrik(a)henriknordstrom.net&gt;
> >
> > tis
> >
> > I also think the current process is pretty effective in filtering out
> > the unwanted candidates.
>
>  So do I. 
One more vote +1 here :)
> >
> > I think the underlying question asked here is really how much activity
> > is minimally expected from an ambassador to be considered an ambassador?
> >
> > Which makes me raise the question if it's a bad thing there is some
> > ambassadors which never acheives something visibly significant?
> >
> > If that's bad for some reason then perhaps a followup process is needed
> > where ambassadors annually report back that
> >  * They are still using Fedora
> >  * They still consider themselves Ambassadors for Fedora
> >  * What activities they have participated in if any (no requirement)
> >
> > kindly reminding people to resign as ambassadors if they do not see
> > themselves as ambassadors.
> >
> > For me the most important criteria for being an Fedora Ambassador is
> > mindset and willingness, not actual acheivements.
>
>  Removing the "resign as ambassador" part of Henrik's statement -- and
> I'll
>  address it later -- I would agree with the rest of his statement, especially
>  the last sentence.
>
>  If we have 723 Ambassadors (which is what I think the Nov. 2010 total is),
>  then there are probably 723 levels at which Ambassadors participate in the
>  Fedora Project. Is that an exaggeration? Maybe, but the point is that we all
>  participate on a level with which we are comfortable and at which we feel we
>  can make the best contribution to the project.
>
>  Also, back in the spring/summer of 2009 we pared down the Ambassadors
>  program by asking people who were found to be inactive, "We notice you've
>  been inactive, and we're streamlining our program" (not exact words here,
>  but something to that effect) "Contact us if you're still interested in
>  being an Ambassador." Well, the numbers went from 820-something down to
>  somewhere in the 500s due to the fact that those who didn't respond were
>  dropped from the program. As a result, I think we got rid of those folks
>  who, for whatever reason, stopped participating as Ambassadors. 
And we *might* do that again in the future if it is considered
necessary. We move forward organically and adaptively :)

>  In some instances, folks who were "taking a break" from
> being Ambassadors
>  got caught in the net, so to speak. Later, when they found they were
>  inactive, they asked what happened and some were re-admitted into the
>  program.
>
>  Now, to address the "resign as ambassador" part: Though it might be an
>  additional chore for mentors, I'd prefer they "check in" with their
>  "mentees" (or manatees, as we call them in NA) to see their level of
>  interest and monitor how their proteges are doing. Ideally the mentors can
>  help spur interest in an lagging ambassador, or if the ambassador wants to
>  take a break (or leave altogether) the mentor can help facilitate that as
>  well. 
Mentors around the world are already held responsible for their
proteges actions sometime (as it should happen)
Sometimes they even take action and resolve conflicts or "resigns" as
it is part of their tasks as mentors.
Remember all, a mentor's job is not finished when his protege becomes
an Ambassador.

>  But rather than propose a series of figurative "hoops" for
> ambassadors to
>  jump through, I'd prefer to do what is mentioned in the previous paragraph,
>  as well as possibly -- possibly -- running the exercise we did in 2009 where
>  we purged the list; maybe doing that once every 18 months or two years.
>  While this may be a large chore, I think it works best. 
Let's not put in a strict time frame. We should use it when needed (if
needed) :)

>  Two more things to consider:
>
>  a.) The Fedora Project's Ambassador Program, while far from perfect, is the
>  gold standard of promotional programs for any distro. Don't believe me?
>  OpenSUSE completely copied our methodology in forming their Ambassador
>  program late last year and earlier this year (and as far as I'm concerned,
>  they're welcome to do so and we should all feel honored as a result). 
Can't state that better. We are indeed a fine example of contributor
engagement program.
Stay tuned as more projects are going to replicate us :)

>  b.) We have enough to do being ambassadors without weighing ourselves
> down
>  with extraneous rules and regulations that will take time and effort to
>  enforce -- time and effort that will be taken away from more important tasks
>  in promoting Fedora and FOSS. 
+1 this says it all :) Thanks Larry!


-- 
Pierros Papadeas
PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
http://pierros.papadeas.gr
pierros(a)papadeas.gr
liknus @ GRnet , Freenode

[George Chatzipapas]

As Pierros Papadeas said:
Can't state that better. We are indeed a fine example of contributor
engagement program.
Stay tuned as more projects are going to replicate us :)
+1 I totally agree with this point.It is very important and very cool to have 
such a contribution model.

As for me, need consciousness being an ambassador and the reason is to love what 
you do and not do it under pressure.And of course the obvious to use fedora, in 
order to understand what's your job as an ambassador in the field of assistance 
to new users who come to you to help.!!!

[Henrik Nordström]

tis 2010-12-14 klockan 17:35 -0800 skrev Larry Cafiero:

>  Removing the "resign as ambassador" part of Henrik's
> statement -- and
>  I'll address it later -- I would agree with the rest of his statement,
>  especially the last sentence. 
Just to be clear in case there is any doubt on my opinion, that part of
the statement belongs to "If that's bad for some reason then perhaps.."

Regards
Henrik

[Igor Pires Soares]

Em Ter, 2010-12-14 às 09:53 -0430, María Leandro escreveu:

>  So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not...
>  Should we keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be
>  Ambassador if we will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors
>  admission process need some rules besides the one that has (without be
>  too excesive) to make a filter that can help us, Mentor, to provide a
>  better guidance to those contributors that really deserve and want to
>  be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some few ideas and if you
>  guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would be nice. (If you
>  don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
>  
>  
>  1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1] 
I think that we should use that as recommendation. It is a really good
topic, but it is not a good idea to enforce ambassadors in that way. For
instance, a inactive ambassador from Brazil came to me and said that he
was willing to collaborate again. I stated that we had some needs
regarding projects such translation and documentation. Then he said that
he wasn't able to contribute with such projects because they doesn't fit
his profile, but he also said that he was able to look for some people
who fit that profile. This still is a great help IMHO. Of course I'd
rather see he contribute with documentation itself, but since he is
willing to help in a way he feels that is more appropriated there is no
problem.

>  2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
>  doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it. 
This seems pretty reasonable to me, but maybe we could expand the idea
of regional to states or provinces. It really depends on the regional
context.

>  3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year.
>  (right now in all the country there are events, so this is not so
>  crazy at all) 
#3 might work as a recommendation either. Probably there are some
countries that don't have FOSS events. In addition, in some countries we
have ambassadors from regions that are distant from medium/big cities
where those events normally take place, what makes traveling expensive.
We can address this issue through funding at least for some ambassadors
in specific events.

>  4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS
>  event. 
Or, in addition, the applicant could help to organize Fedora's
participation in some FOSS event. That works as well.

-- 
Igor Pires Soares
Fedora I18N/L10N QA
Fedora Ambassador (Brazil)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Igor

[Ryan H. Lewis]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Igor Pires Soares <igorsoares(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Em Ter, 2010-12-14 às 09:53 -0430, María Leandro escreveu:
>
> > So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not...
> > Should we keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be
> > Ambassador if we will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors
> > admission process need some rules besides the one that has (without be
> > too excesive) to make a filter that can help us, Mentor, to provide a
> > better guidance to those contributors that really deserve and want to
> > be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some few ideas and if you
> > guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would be nice. (If you
> > don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
> >
> >
> > 1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
>
>  I think that we should use that as recommendation. It is a really good
>  topic, but it is not a good idea to enforce ambassadors in that way. For
>  instance, a inactive ambassador from Brazil came to me and said that he
>  was willing to collaborate again. I stated that we had some needs
>  regarding projects such translation and documentation. Then he said that
>  he wasn't able to contribute with such projects because they doesn't fit
>  his profile, but he also said that he was able to look for some people
>  who fit that profile. This still is a great help IMHO. Of course I'd
>  rather see he contribute with documentation itself, but since he is
>  willing to help in a way he feels that is more appropriated there is no
>  problem.
>
> > 2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
> > doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
>
>  This seems pretty reasonable to me, but maybe we could expand the idea
>  of regional to states or provinces. It really depends on the regional
>  context.
>
> > 3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year.
> > (right now in all the country there are events, so this is not so
> > crazy at all)
>
>  #3 might work as a recommendation either. Probably there are some
>  countries that don't have FOSS events. In addition, in some countries we
>  have ambassadors from regions that are distant from medium/big cities
>  where those events normally take place, what makes traveling expensive.
>  We can address this issue through funding at least for some ambassadors
>  in specific events.
>
> > 4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS
> > event.
>
>  Or, in addition, the applicant could help to organize Fedora's
>  participation in some FOSS event. That works as well.
>
>  --
>  Igor Pires Soares
>  Fedora I18N/L10N QA
>  Fedora Ambassador (Brazil)
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Igor
>
>  --
>  ambassadors mailing list
>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors 

You guys realize that you can always talk to people and recommend that
they get involved with something. That is part of being a fedora
socialite. To be frank, I can't tell you how many times I've just not
known about things going on just because it's buried in some mass
e-mail on some listserv. I try and read it all, but it's hard to stay
focused with such a low signal to noise ratio. I think that maybe a
bit more personalizes 1-on-1 communication between people could go
farther than esoteric rules. (Call me a socialist, ha).

I made my location known to the fedora community, if someone wanted or
needed me to help out at a FOSS event, they need only look up my
location and send me a mail/call/irc ping (Although if it's not
anywhere near me, you'd better expect to fund my travel before getting
me to show up).

-rhl

[Ivan Pacheco Martinez]

El mar, 14-12-2010 a las 18:30 -0200, Igor Pires Soares escribió:
>  Em Ter, 2010-12-14 às 09:53 -0430, María Leandro escreveu:
>  
>  > So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone? if not...
>  > Should we keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be
>  > Ambassador if we will/won't do it? I think that the Ambassadors
>  > admission process need some rules besides the one that has (without be
>  > too excesive) to make a filter that can help us, Mentor, to provide a
>  > better guidance to those contributors that really deserve and want to
>  > be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some few ideas and if you
>  > guys/girls are interested on give some feedback would be nice. (If you
>  > don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]
>  
>  I think that we should use that as recommendation. It is a really good
>  topic, but it is not a good idea to enforce ambassadors in that way. 
>  For
>  instance, a inactive ambassador from Brazil came to me and said that he
>  was willing to collaborate again. I stated that we had some needs
>  regarding projects such translation and documentation. Then he said that
>  he wasn't able to contribute with such projects because they doesn't fit
>  his profile, but he also said that he was able to look for some people
>  who fit that profile. This still is a great help IMHO. Of course I'd
>  rather see he contribute with documentation itself, but since he is
>  willing to help in a way he feels that is more appropriated there is no
>  problem. 
+ 2 Igor. Exactly, our Project is freedom, included freedom to choice
how or where to contribute. For example, I can't transtale, or I can't
design, Does that limit me for not being able to be an Ambassador?

>  
>  > 2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
>  > doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it.
>  
>  This seems pretty reasonable to me, but maybe we could expand the idea
>  of regional to states or provinces. It really depends on the regional
>  context. 
+ 2. For example, in Mexico there are ambassadors scattered throughout
the country and would be almost impossible to gather even a few.

>  
>  > 3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year.
>  > (right now in all the country there are events, so this is not so
>  > crazy at all)
>  
>  #3 might work as a recommendation either. Probably there are some
>  countries that don't have FOSS events. In addition, in some countries we
>  have ambassadors from regions that are distant from medium/big cities
>  where those events normally take place, what makes traveling expensive.
>  We can address this issue through funding at least for some ambassadors
>  in specific events.
>  
>  > 4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS
>  > event.
>  
>  Or, in addition, the applicant could help to organize Fedora's
>  participation in some FOSS event. That works as well.
>  
>  -- 
>  Igor Pires Soares
>  Fedora I18N/L10N QA
>  Fedora Ambassador (Brazil)
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Igor
>  
>  --
>  ambassadors mailing list
>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors 
Ivan Pacheco Martínez
Fedora Ambassador (Mexico)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pakzech
http://ivan.sovietika.com

[Buddhike Kurera]

Hi,

It is nice to see how Am. are interested in this area.

I need to raise a point there.
If someone says as this is a volunteer project we should not have rules
thats wrong.
Event though Fedora is an opensource project and volunteers contribute the
project
there should be clearly defined set of rules. There can be 'must' and
'should', it is not
an issue.

May be most Ambassadors here related with IT, if people who have knowledge
in HR
and experience in working/ forming FOSS communities/project will never state
that we
should be free and we should have no  'must' and 'should'.

Ambassadors is a group having some responsibilities. if any individual need
to support
fedora and he is not like to follow rules and be with the community they
still can do contribute
fedora. There is no need to get a title to promote fedora.

What i feel is, Ambassadors should always have to follow a guide, presenting
to meetings,
update the community with what they are doing, KIT are really matter. If
they not like to be
in that professional they can leave the group and do their promotions.

RULES are must to ensure proper working of any group otherwise it ll be a
mess. Even apache
has many. If anyone says this is FOSS let anyone do anything this is freedom
I can say he
knows nothing about organizing people. managing HR is really important in
that condition as this is a
volunteering project it become crucial.

Some ambassadors dont have contacts in their user page so how we can ensure
they working
with the project. So proper guidance and set of rules are a MUST. So in the
start there should be
a good way to get people in those who need to contribute to the project and
after that there should
be a good way to monitor them and manage them to ensure we are heading to
the fedora project's goal.

-- 
Regards,

*Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera*
The Editor in Chief - FOSS User Magazine
Fedora Ambassador - Sri Lanka

[Henrik Nordström]

ons 2010-12-15 klockan 03:42 +0530 skrev Buddhika Kurera:

>  Ambassadors is a group having some responsibilities. if any
> individual
>  need to support fedora and he is not like to follow rules and be with
>  the community they still can do contribute fedora. There is no need to
>  get a title to promote fedora. 
Agreed.

To me the Ambassador title is mainly a recognition that this person
knows Fedora and the goals and values of Fedora, in addition to being
interested and capable in spreading the word.

>  What i feel is, Ambassadors should always have to follow a guide,
>  presenting to meetings, 
>  update the community with what they are doing, KIT are really matter.
>  If they not like to be 
>  in that professional they can leave the group and do their promotions. 
Imho this guide already exists as the Ambassadors Code of Conduct
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct

And to support that we also have a quite extensive FAQ covering many
topics https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_FAQ

But I would add one item to Code of Conduct

Spread the word
===============
Try to spread the word of Fedora when suitable opportunity is given

Others can probably come up with a better wording, but I think you get
the idea.

Regards
Henrik

[Tian Shixiong]

>  1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1] 
Agree.

>  2.- Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
> doesn't
>  have a local community, she/he should try to build it. 
Partly Agree. This may be
hard to do in some places.

>  3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year.
> (right now
>  in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy at all) 
Don't
agree.
For example, FOSS event may be held in the developed cities of China.
But the  applicants may come from all over China, they don't have
enough time(most young people in my country are busy with their
livelihoods, they don't have very much spare time, it doesn't mean
that they are busy with their job,  it is just because of some kinds
of pressure...), opportunity(less free time, inconvenient traffic), or
even money(this is not a joke, a plane or train ticket may spend 1/3
or more of some people's salary) to attend to the event.  But these
people are really interested in Linux, Fedora. They are trying to
their best to contribute, promote.

Above all are my own point of view, it doesn't represent all Chinese.

>  4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS
> event.
>  
Agree.

P.S. I personally don't like the words such as 'must', 'at least' be
used in a free community.

Regards
-- 
Tiansworld