The idea

[robert beatty]

I like the idea of Fedora in stores, and it wouldnt be too hard in terms of demand. However i must agree with Joerg on dummy tools and such for as it stands now there is still to much tweaking to be done to make it completely dummy proof.

[Joerg Simon]

Am 21.08.2010 16:57, schrieb Robert J Beatty:
> I like the idea of Fedora in stores, and it wouldnt be too hard in terms
> of demand. However i must agree with Joerg on dummy tools and such for
> as it stands now there is still to much tweaking to be done to make it
> completely dummy proof.

i do not remember to commented on "dummy-tools" but just to clarify my
view of things in general  - sometimes we need tools but if you are
using tools - know your tools!

cu Joerg

[Russell Golden]

I decided a while back that if I ever ran a computer store, I'd sell Fedora
discs for 5 USD apiece.
Sounds like a good idea to me.

On Aug 21, 2010 10:25 AM, "Joerg Simon"  wrote:
> Am 21.08.2010 16:57, schrieb Robert J Beatty:
> > I like the idea of Fedora in stores, and it wouldnt be too hard in terms
> > of demand. However i must agree with Joerg on dummy tools and such for
> > as it stands now there is still to much tweaking to be done to make it
> > completely dummy proof.
>
> i do not remember to commented on "dummy-tools" but just to clarify my
> view of things in general - sometimes we need tools but if you are
> using tools - know your tools!
>
> cu Joerg
>
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[Joerg Simon]

Am 21.08.2010 17:28, schrieb Russell Golden:
> I decided a while back that if I ever ran a computer store, I'd sell
> Fedora discs for 5 USD apiece.
> Sounds like a good idea to me.

if vendors are interested they can do this already

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors

cu Joerg

[Mahmoud Abdul Jawad]

2010/8/21 Robert J Beatty
> I like the idea of Fedora in stores, and it wouldnt be too hard in terms of
> demand. However i must agree with Joerg on dummy tools and such for as it
> stands now there is still to much tweaking to be done to make it completely
> dummy proof.
>
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this is great idea.
not only the original fedora discs can be sold, but also, the respins & the
update packages.
we can also provide separate discs for the rpmfusion repos.

[Fabian Kanngießer]

I think we (the fedora community and ambassadors) cant make rpmfusion disks. From what I know this would violate our general guidelines on free software and as we cant provide it with our downloads we could not provide it with our media. The idea itself sounds great, it would be cool to drag more attention to the fedora project by vendors selling our DVDs.

With kind regards,

Fabian "underscores" Kanngiesser :)

--- Mahmoud Abdul Jawad  schrieb am Sa, 21.8.2010:

Von: Mahmoud Abdul Jawad 
Betreff: Re: [Ambassadors] The idea
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Datum: Samstag, 21. August, 2010 16:14 Uhr

2010/8/21 Robert J Beatty

I like the idea of Fedora in stores, and it wouldnt be too hard in terms of demand. However i must agree with Joerg on dummy tools and such for as it stands now there is still to much tweaking to be done to make it completely dummy proof.

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this is great idea.
not only the original fedora discs can be sold, but also, the respins & the update packages.

we can also provide separate discs for the rpmfusion repos.

[Mahmoud Abdul Jawad]

2010/8/21 Fabian Kanngießer
> I think we (the fedora community and ambassadors) cant make rpmfusion
> disks. From what I know this would violate our general guidelines on free
> software and as we cant provide it with our downloads we could not provide
> it with our media. The idea itself sounds great, it would be cool to drag
> more attention to the fedora project by vendors selling our DVDs.
>
> With kind regards,
> Fabian "underscores" Kanngiesser :)
>
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i thought we were talking about commercially selling discs that contains
fedora stuff.
i can say that most of fedora users use rpmfusion (including admins of
fedora), this fact doesn't make rpmfusion compatible with fedora project
fundamentals. however, selling a disc that contains the rpmfusion repo
doesn't violate any rule.

[Joerg Simon]

Am 21.08.2010 20:08, schrieb Mahmoud Abdul Jawad:
> i thought we were talking about commercially selling discs that contains
> fedora stuff.

this is what we as Fedora-Project itself will not do
once again
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors
> i can say that most of fedora users use rpmfusion (including admins of
> fedora), this fact doesn't make rpmfusion compatible with fedora project
> fundamentals. however, selling a disc that contains the rpmfusion repo
> doesn't violate any rule.

if you do it as an official Fedora Ambassador it will - and i kindly ask
to stop this discussion around selling such stuff

cu Joerg

[Mahmoud Abdul Jawad]

2010/8/21 Joerg Simon
> this is what we as Fedora-Project itself will not do
> once again
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors
>
> if you do it as an official Fedora Ambassador it will - and i kindly ask
> to stop this discussion around selling such stuff
>
> cu Joerg
>
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that's why i said this can be done as a commercial act, not as an
ambassador.
for me, i don't even have a place to display such discs for selling, we were
discussing how sufficient it's to sell fedora stuff.

[Paul W. Frields]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:49:56PM +0400, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> 2010/8/21 Joerg Simon
> > this is what we as Fedora-Project itself will not do
> > once again
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors
> >
> > if you do it as an official Fedora Ambassador it will - and i kindly ask
> > to stop this discussion around selling such stuff
> >
> > cu Joerg
>
> that's why i said this can be done as a commercial act, not as an
> ambassador.
> for me, i don't even have a place to display such discs for selling, we were
> discussing how sufficient it's to sell fedora stuff.

The only thing that can be produced/labeled with the Fedora marks
(such as the Fedora name and logo) is an unmodified disc equal to what
the Fedora Project officially ships.  Anything else is not Fedora.
That doesn't have a bearing on producing or selling discs of rpmfusion
software -- although rpmfusion might be somewhat off-topic for a list
that's about supporting and promoting Fedora regionally.

* * *
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines

[Onyeibo Oku]

> if you do it as an official Fedora Ambassador it will - and i kindly ask
> to stop this discussion around selling such stuff
>
> cu Joerg

Just in time.  I was getting confused.