I have created a simple HOWTO for updating and recreating the Fedora Core 3 distribution CDs. It also includes information on creating DVDs instead of CDs as well as creating (and optionally expanding) the RescueCD.
This document can be seen at http://czarc.net/HOWTO-Updating-fc3.html
Before generally publishing this document, I thought some of the folks on this mailing list could comment and provide feedback to any errors I have made.
I have not tried this with the FC-development (FC4) and would be interested in any differences which I could incorporate into the document.
Gene
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 10:38:25AM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
I have created a simple HOWTO for updating and recreating the Fedora Core 3 distribution CDs. It also includes information on creating DVDs instead of CDs as well as creating (and optionally expanding) the RescueCD.
Please merge your work with the existing docs project:
http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/AnacondaDocumentationProject
Paul
On Saturday 19 February 2005 14:58, Paul Nasrat wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 10:38:25AM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
I have created a simple HOWTO for updating and recreating the Fedora Core 3 distribution CDs. It also includes information on creating DVDs instead of CDs as well as creating (and optionally expanding) the RescueCD.
Please merge your work with the existing docs project:
http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/AnacondaDocumentationProject
Thanks for the info. However, this (AnacondaDocumentationProject) does not seem to be a very active effort (no updates recently) and I am not sure who to contact to "merge my work into the existing docs project". This documentation seems oriented toward FC1 and a bit of FC2 but I see nother on FC3 let alone FC4.
I had searched the archives of the anaconda-devel-list as well as the fedora-docs-list had found nothing. Neither is anything listed on http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/ under "anaconda Installer" or "Docs". It is a bit hard to find an existing effort if it is being done by a few folks as a "stealth" effort. I also did a google search but did not use a search string which found the "AnacondaDocumentationProject". If such efforts are going to be done and duplication of effort minimized, then their existence needs to be better advertised.
BTW, one of the my research problems may involve searching the mailing list archives since searching the anaconda-devel-list archive for "AnacondaDocumentationProject" does not find the message even though I know the message is there.
I have no problem merging my stuff into an existing document or of others taking this information and updating their document. However, I need to have some active contact to do that.
Gene
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 03:56:00PM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
On Saturday 19 February 2005 14:58, Paul Nasrat wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 10:38:25AM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
I have created a simple HOWTO for updating and recreating the Fedora Core 3 distribution CDs. It also includes information on creating DVDs instead of CDs as well as creating (and optionally expanding) the RescueCD.
Please merge your work with the existing docs project:
http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/AnacondaDocumentationProject
Thanks for the info. However, this (AnacondaDocumentationProject) does not seem to be a very active effort (no updates recently) and I am not sure who to contact to "merge my work into the existing docs project". This documentation seems oriented toward FC1 and a bit of FC2 but I see nother on FC3 let alone FC4.
It's a wiki - edit it to update it. It makes sense to keep the one effort going.
I had searched the archives of the anaconda-devel-list as well as the fedora-docs-list had found nothing. Neither is anything listed on http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/ under "anaconda Installer" or "Docs". It is a bit hard to find an existing effort if it is being done by a few folks as a "stealth" effort. I also did a google search but did not use a search string which found the "AnacondaDocumentationProject". If such efforts are going to be done and duplication of effort minimized, then their existence needs to be better advertised.
It certainly has been discussed on the fedora-docs-list and been linked to on anaconda-devel-list. You might want to try google rather than the list search.
BTW, one of the my research problems may involve searching the mailing list archives since searching the anaconda-devel-list archive for "AnacondaDocumentationProject" does not find the message even though I know the message is there.
The mailing list search is not always great.
I have no problem merging my stuff into an existing document or of others taking this information and updating their document. However, I need to have some active contact to do that.
It's a wiki you should be able to just edit it.
Paul
On Saturday 19 February 2005 16:10, Paul Nasrat wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 03:56:00PM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
On Saturday 19 February 2005 14:58, Paul Nasrat wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 10:38:25AM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
[snip]
This documentation seems oriented toward FC1 and a bit of FC2 but I see nother on FC3 let alone FC4.
It's a wiki - edit it to update it. It makes sense to keep the one effort going.
I am a little concerned about modifying the work of others.
I had searched the archives of the anaconda-devel-list as well as the fedora-docs-list had found nothing. Neither is anything listed on http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/ under "anaconda Installer" or "Docs". It is a bit hard to find an existing effort if it is being done by a few folks as a "stealth" effort. I also did a google search but did not use a search string which found the "AnacondaDocumentationProject". If such efforts are going to be done and duplication of effort minimized, then their existence needs to be better advertised.
It certainly has been discussed on the fedora-docs-list and been linked to on anaconda-devel-list. You might want to try google rather than the list search.
Unfortunately, google is not much better.
[snip]
I have no problem merging my stuff into an existing document or of others taking this information and updating their document. However, I need to have some active contact to do that.
It's a wiki you should be able to just edit it.
Yes, but a feel a bit strange about editing stuff that others have created. I have sent email to the individuals who seem to be the most active to see what their response will be.
Also, it sure would be nice if this effort (AnacondaDocumentationProject) was mentioned on the Anaconda Installer page of http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/
Gene
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 17:37 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
Yes, but a feel a bit strange about editing stuff that others have created. I have sent email to the individuals who seem to be the most active to see what their response will be.
that's the glory of a wiki - if they don't like your changes - they can roll them back :) -sv
Hi - I'm one of the guys that was working on that Twiki project ...
I just finished replying to an email that Gene had sent me and then saw that the topic was being discussed here on the mailing list too.
Here is a snippet of what I sent to Gene ...
---snip---
Once upon a time around the release of FC1 the three of us tried getting something together to help people out with the process of rebuilding/recreating custom FC projects. We got a good start on the project but with time and other priorities - the project has since fallen into that large open-source project pit that is marked off with yellow tape and a large sign that says 'ENTER AT OWN RISK - UNMAINTAINED WORK AHEAD'.
Unfortunately due in part to a poorly organised Fedora documentation team at the time - and many personal changes in our lives, ie. Alex and Forrest scored nice new jobs :), the project was never taken on by the Fedora documentation project and so is now rotting in that aforementioned pit.
I don't believe that any of us are currently working with Anaconda at the moment so it is hard to find the motivation to maintain something that is no longer relevant in our lives.
Well that's about it. If anything, I had a great time working on the project and meeting some bright minds, but I have to admit that its time is over. As I said - feel free to take anything you like from the project - none of it is covered by any legal crap - and if we knew how to do go about it - I'm sure we would have made it available under the GPL.
---snip---
So I wouldn't count on the Twiki as a relevant source of information any longer but anyone can do with it what they wish - but I would suggest starting from scratch on a new platform wouldn't be such a bad idea - maybe something official in the Fedora Doc Project?
Hope that clears some things up - good luck!
pantz
Given the current state of the TWiki AnacondaDocumentationProject, I plan to leave my "HOWTO" as is and plan to submit it for publishing on http://fedoranews.org.
I have made a few minor updates to the document and it can be currently viewed at http://czarc.net/HOWTO-Updating-fc3.html
My document is by no means documentation for anaconda. However, it does describe the process for updating and (re)creating distribution CD or DVD images.
Gene
Paul Pianta wrote:
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 17:37 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
Yes, but a feel a bit strange about editing stuff that others have created. I have sent email to the individuals who seem to be the most active to see what their response will be.
that's the glory of a wiki - if they don't like your changes - they can roll them back :) -sv
I saw this wiki and used it before. I didn't realize just how wikis rock until I started using one here http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page. I am not sure why I would ever use docbook again. It is strange editing other people's stuff but then that's no different than submitting patches to a software application.
<snip anaconda wiki history>
So I wouldn't count on the Twiki as a relevant source of information any longer but anyone can do with it what they wish - but I would suggest starting from scratch on a new platform wouldn't be such a bad idea - maybe something official in the Fedora Doc Project?
Hope that clears some things up - good luck!
I hope that you can leave it up for awhile. I don't see that much changing in the production of a customized installer.
Greg
Paul Pianta wrote:
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 17:37 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
Yes, but a feel a bit strange about editing stuff that others have created. I have sent email to the individuals who seem to be the most active to see what their response will be.
that's the glory of a wiki - if they don't like your changes - they can roll them back :) -sv
Hi - I'm one of the guys that was working on that Twiki project ...
I just finished replying to an email that Gene had sent me and then saw that the topic was being discussed here on the mailing list too.
Here is a snippet of what I sent to Gene ...
I have been looking for a good way to solve this concern. I just realized that there is a fedora wiki, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/. I have created an account on the fedora wiki. At present I am waiting for someone on the edit group http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup for the final access to the site. In the meantime, I have contacted Alexander Rau for his blessing on transferring content from http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/AnacondaDocumentationProject to the fredoraproject.org site. He said,
"Absolutely, I am pretty busy right now myself and my contribution has slowed down.
"Good to see someone pickuing up.
"As long as you make references and give credit where credit is due I am fine with it.
I wanted to let everyone know about this upcoming transition. I've already asked Alexander about exports from the rau wiki site. One of the first questions is how to provide proper attribution for all the transferred content? Accounts are free http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences.
Greg
---snip---
Once upon a time around the release of FC1 the three of us tried getting something together to help people out with the process of rebuilding/recreating custom FC projects. We got a good start on the project but with time and other priorities - the project has since fallen into that large open-source project pit that is marked off with yellow tape and a large sign that says 'ENTER AT OWN RISK - UNMAINTAINED WORK AHEAD'.
Unfortunately due in part to a poorly organised Fedora documentation team at the time - and many personal changes in our lives, ie. Alex and Forrest scored nice new jobs :), the project was never taken on by the Fedora documentation project and so is now rotting in that aforementioned pit.
I don't believe that any of us are currently working with Anaconda at the moment so it is hard to find the motivation to maintain something that is no longer relevant in our lives.
Well that's about it. If anything, I had a great time working on the project and meeting some bright minds, but I have to admit that its time is over. As I said - feel free to take anything you like from the project - none of it is covered by any legal crap - and if we knew how to do go about it - I'm sure we would have made it available under the GPL.
---snip---
So I wouldn't count on the Twiki as a relevant source of information any longer but anyone can do with it what they wish - but I would suggest starting from scratch on a new platform wouldn't be such a bad idea - maybe something official in the Fedora Doc Project?
Hope that clears some things up - good luck!
pantz
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 21:11 -0700, Greg Morgan wrote:
I wanted to let everyone know about this upcoming transition. I've already asked Alexander about exports from the rau wiki site. One of the first questions is how to provide proper attribution for all the transferred content? Accounts are free http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences.
Simple. Tell me what your wiki name is, and I'll add you to the EditGroup (and so can anyone who's already in the EditGroup)
Colin Charles wrote:
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 21:11 -0700, Greg Morgan wrote:
Simple. Tell me what your wiki name is, and I'll add you to the EditGroup (and so can anyone who's already in the EditGroup)
Colin,
Jeremy Katz added my name to the edit group. In addition, he seeded the initial anaconda page, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda. I used parts of the rau wiki to make additional edits. I also followed the style of the Stateless linux page. Finally, I have created a punch list of pages to migrate here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GregMorgan.
Regards, Greg
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